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xx Town Hall

July 05, 2016, 17:59:18 by Mike Bobbitt

I'd like to run a Town Hall session in a few weeks, where we bring together Staff and users to discuss a variety of topics related to the site. The aim is to reinforce what we are doing right, brainstorm solutions on areas where we can do better, and generally exchange feedback and ideas. The format may be voice/video or simply text chat, depending on the level of interest and a few "tech" factors.

A proposed agenda:
  • Introduction / Greetings
  • Review of current situation
  • Future plans
  • Areas for improvement
  • Open discussion
  • Wrap-up

I would anticipate it would run 1900-2030 or so, and have added a few possible dates as a poll. Please take a moment to vote if you are interested in attending, with your preferred date(s). Please also feel free to propose agenda items if you think there are specific areas we can have a focused discussion.

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xx Canada's Vulnerable Coastlines

June 15, 2016, 11:18:05 by Underway
From the Star today:

Canadian coastlines are vulnerable, outgoing navy commander warns

HALIFAX—The outgoing head of the navy says Canada is vulnerable and needs to work even more closely with the United States to improve the maritime security of North America.

Vice-Admiral Mark Norman, commander of the Royal Canadian Navy, said the government should look at investing in sensors to improve maritime surveillance and the information-sharing relationship between Canada and the U.S.

Norman, who will hand over the navy to Vice-Admiral Ron Lloyd on June 23, said the sensors could take a variety of forms, such as an underwater sensor network or land-based radar.

“At the moment we’re vulnerable,” said Norman during an exclusive interview recently with The Canadian Press onboard HMCS Windsor, as it sailed roughly 57 metres below sea level off the coast of Halifax.

“There are a number of threats and the question is: Are we prepared to simply accept the threats and the implications of them? Or do we want to do something about it? Do we want to know what’s going on?”

Those threats could include drug trafficking in the Caribbean, illegal migration or “potential military threats in a circumstance that perhaps people don’t like to think about,” said Norman.

He added Canada has been “fairly lucky.”

“We’ve been able to avoid any real situations that either have embarrassed the country . . . or have actually threatened the security of Canadians,” said Norman, who starts his new role as second in command of the Canadian Forces on Aug 5.

“But that doesn’t mean that the potential for those things happening isn’t real . . . As senior military officers, our responsibility is to provide advice beyond just being lucky. You don’t base strategy or policy on, ‘We’ve been lucky so far.’ ”

Norman says sensors would bolster what he called “maritime domain awareness” under the NORAD agreement. Established in 1958, NORAD is the joint U.S-Canada command providing aerospace warning, air sovereignty and defence for North America.

Norman’s comments come as the defence department undertakes a review of the future of the Canadian Armed Forces.

Ken Hansen, a professor at the Centre for Foreign Policy Studies at Dalhousie University in Halifax, said working more closely with the United States is imperative because it’s impossible to defend Canada on our own, given its size and population.

“If a serious threat was to develop, we would have absolutely no choice but to call on the Americans for help,” said Hansen in a recent interview.

“That means that they have to trust that we’re doing a reasonable job and not just, as Donald Trump says, freeloading.”

Hansen also agreed with Norman about investing in sensors.

“You need intelligence and you need surveillance systems to get that intelligence and to shape and co-ordinate what we do and where and when,” said Hansen. “You can build a trust relationship by being smart about where you put your resources.”

Norman said investing in a sensor system is important, but it may not be seen as urgent in the context of the defence review currently underway.

“Do I see us having as a result of this defence policy review an explicit mention of improving the underwater sensor network in and around North America? Maybe, maybe not. We’ll see what happens,” said Norman.

“But it’s a growing concern from a maritime defence perspective and it’s something we need to think about going forward.”

Domain awareness is something that Canada does not do as well as we could, given the geographical/climate/budgetary challenges.  There are discussions (some action) on sensors going into the arctic for domain awareness, I wouldn't be surprised if that program were to be expanded to include other areas.  Trinity sure as hell could use the extra info to cross reference with what they already have going.

Interesting how the CAF seems to be able to talk about stuff now that the Harperites are no longer in power.  Whether you liked that particular government or not, all communications were very tightly controlled.  With the new government it seems that the CAF have found that they are freer to speak on issues with the attendant increase in seeing how the CAF leadership thinks and what they are looking at.  This article is an example of that change. 
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xx Current Flag Officers

June 07, 2016, 07:52:00 by NavalMoose
Does anyone know how many Flag Officers the RCN has active at this time?
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xx What do naval reservists do besides training

April 21, 2016, 03:34:23 by ...
What do naval reservists do besides training
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xx Battle of Trafalgar... Time to move on?

April 18, 2016, 10:16:35 by Underway
So since I joined the Navy in 2000 I have been to approximately 10 Battle of Trafalgar Mess Dinners.  Now I am always one for a good time at a Mess Dinner. I have attended all sorts from the all ranks "instructional" mess dinner to the "period uniforms accepted" ones.

But there has always been something that has irritated me about the Battle of Trafalgar one.  It is certainly the less sombre of the two scheduled (the Battle of the Atlantic being the other for those who are not navy culture wary), and usually much more entertaining with a party like atmosphere, but it's not Canadian.

The Battle of Trafalgar is a hold over from the days when the Canadian Navy was desperately trying to be British, with British traditions and the wardroom accent.  There were only 31 "Canadians" at the battle From Canada, particularity Newfoundland and Nova Scotia, 31 men..  That's a bit disingenuous as Canada didn't exist then, not to mention Newfoundland wasn't part of Canada until the 50's.  Compare that to the fact that there were 28 French and Spanish sailors fighting against their own countries of birth.  I'm also pretty sure that there were "Canadians" fighting on the French side. 

I honestly think that the Battle of Trafalgar needs to die, or at least be replaced by a suitable Canadian celebration.  I understand that usually these things have to grow organically.  You can't just fiat a tradition (well I suppose you can... *toast of the day, cough cough*).   Part of the problem is that the RCN never really did very much until the Battle of the Atlantic.  The Army units all have multiple battle honours with glorious (gory) histories upon which they can draw for their traditions.  The "trainbuster" mess dinner or the "sailed in a box for 6 months in a hot place" one doesn't quite have the cache.  What do the members feel on this issue?
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xx For Posterity's Sake - A Royal Canadian Navy Historical Project

April 14, 2016, 12:04:41 by jollyjacktar
I was shown this website this morning.  For all the sailors out there, and those who wish they were.  An excellent resource for ships etc of the RCN/CAF.
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