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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #701 on: March 20, 2017, 20:55:57 »
I would like to know the organization or person responsible for making that chart. Was it a reputable source or somebody with a graphics program in their basement just having a laugh at gullible persons. I can't seem to find the originators of that chart.

The beauty of the chart is it illustrates my point about using aggregators like Instapundit. Glenn Reynolds will link to almost any of these sources when an interesting (to him) topic arises, and his readers can follow the links and get differing perspectives on many of the topics at hand. Mind you, clicking on multiple links within one of the shaded areas won't provide much diversity of opinion, but choosing to go across multiple circles, ovals etc. does provide a much broader and greater diversity of opinion, multiple sources and wider perspective.
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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #703 on: March 21, 2017, 08:33:28 »
Fox news has benched Judge Napolitano over his claim that British intel provided NSA with voice recordings.He had claimed to have 3 sources.I am a bit surprised by this as the judge in the past has been very credible.

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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #704 on: March 21, 2017, 10:01:45 »
Fox news has benched Judge Napolitano over his claim that British intel provided NSA with voice recordings.  He had claimed to have 3 sources.  I am a bit surprised by this as the judge in the past has been very credible.
Like he has been with 9-11;)
Meanwhile, an interesting take on what Comey said - and didn't say - at the Lawfare blog here - an excerpt:
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... One of the only good pieces of news for Trump in this testimony is Comey's formulation of the investigation he announced as a counterintelligence investigation, not a criminal investigation. This little-understood distinction is actually important. A criminal investigation is designed to suss out whether a crime was committed and needs to be prosecuted, who is guilty of it, and whether the evidence would support a conviction. A counterintelligence investigation, by contrast, is designed to respond to foreign espionage against the United States. The goal is not necessarily to prosecute but to figure out what kind of steps may need to be taken to prevent whatever harm is threatened. Most counterintelligence investigations don't result in criminal charges; they might result instead in long-term monitoring of foreign actors, cyberdefense activities, or even diplomatic moves. So when Comey says this is a counterintelligence investigation, not a criminal investigation, he is flagging that prosecuting anyone, let alone the President, may not be his top priority.

All of which makes his apparently gratuitous inclusion of a criminal element in describing the investigation curious. As Comey notes, the criminal component of this investigation is actually always there: "As with any counterintelligence investigation," he said, "this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed." The criminal element is always there there because criminal process is an inherent feature of any investigation that involves activities—like hacking and spying—that implicate federal criminal laws ...
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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #705 on: March 21, 2017, 12:14:51 »
Fox news has benched Judge Napolitano over his claim that British intel provided NSA with voice recordings. He had claimed to have 3 sources. I am a bit surprised by this as the judge in the past has been very credible.
Fox obviously yanked him for claiming that there were sources;  it's a slippery slope before someone f*cks up and admits that facts exist.
I even read works I disagree with;  life outside  an ideological echo chamber.

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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #706 on: March 21, 2017, 20:25:08 »
Trump has ordered that passengers must leave cell phones,lap tops ect in the hold of the plane due to terror concerns.Canada and the UK follow suit. Looks like the Yemen raid may not have been a complete bust after all.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/21/politics/electronics-ban-devices-explosives-intelligence/index.html

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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #707 on: March 21, 2017, 22:24:06 »
Trump has ordered that passengers must leave cell phones,lap tops ect in the hold of the plane due to terror concerns.Canada and the UK follow suit. Looks like the Yemen raid may not have been a complete bust after all.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/21/politics/electronics-ban-devices-explosives-intelligence/index.html

Actually cell phones are OK. Any electronic device larger than a cell phone has to go in checked baggage.
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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #708 on: March 21, 2017, 22:26:49 »
Trump has ordered that passengers must leave cell phones,lap tops ect in the hold of the plane due to terror concerns.Canada and the UK follow suit. Looks like the Yemen raid may not have been a complete bust after all.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/21/politics/electronics-ban-devices-explosives-intelligence/index.html

According to the most recent info from CBC  (ie - about the same time you spewed your latest ill-informed propaganda), it was stated that "a decision on whether to implement a similar ban respecting large electronics on flights to Canada will be made shortly." 

Now, perhaps there are too many syllables in that bold/yellow bit, but the gist is that Canada has not yet decided on what we'll do.  There is nothing in your CNN report (oh look, suddenly CNN isn't "fake news"  ::) ) or the CBC report that says Canada has... or is going to... follow the US lead.  They may.... or may not; it has not yet been decided. 

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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #709 on: March 22, 2017, 01:04:47 »
Journeyman, you're becoming predictable. 

Just a thought.

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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #710 on: March 22, 2017, 06:47:55 »
Journeyman, you're becoming predictable. 
"Predictable."  That's pretty rich, being posted in a Trump bukkake-fest.

My predictability does  become apparent when the Trump toxin spreads to Canadian topics.

I regret (more than you can imagine) that my preference for facts and thinking is at odds with the majority of group-think in this thread.  Yes, I've done a reality-check, wondering if I'm 'the only one in step,'  and while I can understand some of the emotions behind this 'movement' I just can't understand the suspension of thought that embracing it requires (unless that sort of thing was never one's strong suit anyway).  Oh well.

 As I've stated before, I'm more than happy  to avoid this mess altogether..... if people would stop trying to drag Canada into the alt-garbage world -- in this, and other, threads. 

Some solutions are  pretty simple.   :nod:
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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #711 on: March 22, 2017, 09:28:47 »
(oh look, suddenly CNN isn't "fake news"  ::) )

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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #712 on: March 22, 2017, 09:42:24 »
... That's pretty rich, being posted in a Trump bukkake-fest ...
What is Googled, cannot be un-Googled ...  ;D
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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #713 on: March 22, 2017, 14:27:36 »
What is Googled, cannot be un-Googled ...  ;D

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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #714 on: March 22, 2017, 14:29:46 »
What is Googled, cannot be un-Googled ...  ;D

Do NOT ever go on Reddit, Urban Dictionary, or...well, anywhere.  >:D
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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #715 on: March 22, 2017, 17:04:31 »
>I would like to know the organization or person responsible for making that chart. Was it a reputable source or somebody with a graphics program in their basement just having a laugh at gullible persons. I can't seem to find the originators of that chart.

It almost doesn't matter.  You can look at the centreline, which includes NPR, WaPo, NYT, etc, and realize that however accurate it is in general, most of those are all widely recognized in the context of US politics as being left of centre.  Just shift everything one column left to correct for bias.
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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #716 on: March 22, 2017, 17:46:07 »
It almost doesn't matter.  You can look at the centreline, which includes NPR, WaPo, NYT, etc, and realize that however accurate it is in general, most of those are all widely recognized in the context of US politics as being left of centre.  Just shift everything one column left or right to correct for bias based on your view/take on the respective outlets.
FTFY  ;D
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« Reply #717 on: March 22, 2017, 18:01:24 »
You can look at the centreline, which includes NPR, WaPo, NYT, etc, and realize that however accurate it is in general, most of those are all widely recognized in the context of US politics as being left of centre. 

Widely recognized by who?

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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #718 on: March 22, 2017, 20:25:54 »
Widely recognized by who?

Republicans.   :nod:
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« Reply #719 on: March 22, 2017, 20:29:37 »
If you don't know that NPR and NYT pull hard for the progressive/Democratic side, you don't understand US politics.
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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #720 on: March 22, 2017, 20:31:17 »
If you don't know that NPR and NYT pull hard for the progressive/Democratic side, you don't understand US politics.

And you don't know NPR.
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« Reply #721 on: March 22, 2017, 21:02:38 »
Well, looks like Trump was right (again) about being wire tapped.   

Will this slow motion train wreck ever end? 

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« Reply #722 on: March 22, 2017, 22:00:54 »
>And you don't know NPR.

I know it well enough, and have read enough left-leaning commentators who agree it leans left to conclude that it leans left - not far left, but left nonetheless.  Maybe the presence of the icons of left-leaning agencies slightly left of the centre line is deliberate.  But in that case I'd expect CNN to be further left, not straddling the true centre.

Anyways, as for the author.  Apparently: here.
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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #723 on: March 23, 2017, 11:04:24 »
Well, looks like Trump was right (again) about being wire tapped.   

Will this slow motion train wreck ever end?

And it looks like (again) that those on the trump train don't have very high levels of reading comprehension.

Did you even read the various articles?

First, lets state Trump's claim:

1. His phones were wire tapped;
2. The wire tap was conducted during the election;
3. The wire tap was ordered by then-President Obama.

Now, let's look at what the articles actually tell us:

1. That the surveillance being conducted was not being conducted against Trump, or anyone in Trumps team. Rather, it was being conducted against foreign targets;
2. Any communications from or regarding trump that were collected were completely incidental. (Perhaps they were wiretapping the phone of a Russian national, who received a phone call from Trump...);
3. That this surveillance began and was being conducted AFTER the election; and
4. That this surveillance was being conducted under the authority of a legally issued FISA warrant.

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The comments by Nunes do not appear to support Trump's claims, debunked by FBI Director James Comey, that he was wiretapped by his predecessor President Barack Obama. Rather, they appear to relate to conversations between Trump or associates and people who were targeted by FISA warrants -- that Nunes said did not appear to be illegal.

So, NO, Trump was not right. This is completely unrelated event that confirms nothing that Trump said.
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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #724 on: March 23, 2017, 16:16:02 »
Hey now, no need to be nasty. 

Trump is not precise in the words he chooses though I wish he was because it would alleviate much headache. 

Trump stated he was wire tapped by Obama - which IMHO many people take to mean that while Obama was president Trump or his team were surveilled in some fashion. Whether directly, indirectly, legal or not.  With the latest news reports Trump appears to be correct.  Trump and/or his team's private communications were recorded by the state and they appeared in some sort of intel report. 

So Obama's NSA "wire tapped" Merkel.  Obama's IRS targeted outspoken conservatives for audit.  Is it really that hard to believe Trump may have been inappropriately surveilled before the election?