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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #925 on: July 15, 2017, 00:47:16 »
The Clinton campaign and the Democrats in general have left questions of epic proportions about everything from finances to domestic spying to just how the Federal bureaucracy has been politicized, so yes, it is of interest.

And bringing up the popular vote thing is like suggesting Wayne Gretzky was a great hockey player because of his RBI stats; it is a meaningless metric given how US elections are structured. But even that argument may fall apart, just looking at the irregularities uncovered when the Green Party managed to get recounts in 3 State and extrapolating across the United States suggests that Hillary may not have even won the popular vote.

Since the Dems refuse to accept the outcome of the election, one of the consequences is their actions keep coming to the surface for everyone to see.
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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #926 on: July 15, 2017, 21:58:26 »
Since the Dems refuse to accept the outcome of the election, one of the consequences is their actions keep coming to the surface for everyone to see.

"Trump repeatedly refused to say that he would accept the result of the election."
"I will look at it at the time." "What I'm saying is that I will tell you at the time. I'll keep you in suspense,"
https://www.google.ca/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=asdqWZ_0NIGR8Qeg8KywCA&gws_rd=ssl#q=+%22look+at+it+at+the+time%22+%22keep+you+in+suspense%22&spf=1500170090438

“I would like to promise and pledge, to all of my voters and supporters and to all of the people of the United States, that I will totally accept the results of this great and historic presidential election — if I win,”
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This 129 page thread is open for discussion of the 2016 US election,   
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=108210.2825

This  thread is for discussion of US politics in 2017.

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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #927 on: July 16, 2017, 00:31:49 »
Actions, however, speak far louder than words.
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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #929 on: July 16, 2017, 12:11:04 »
Pres Trump has stepped in it of course. When the MSM devotes the majority of its newscasts/print to relentlessly denigrating  him, not even PM Trudeau could possibly get a decent approval rating.
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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #930 on: July 16, 2017, 12:26:52 »
They are reflected in approval ratings,

The approval ratings are brought to you by the same people who produced all of the polls and predictions that he would never win the Republican nomination, and had almost no chance of winning the Presidency.

The vast bulk of the lamestream media is little more than a Democrat propaganda arm.

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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #931 on: July 16, 2017, 12:39:24 »
Pres Trump has stepped in it of course. When the MSM devotes the majority of its newscasts/print to relentlessly denigrating  him, not even PM Trudeau could possibly get a decent approval rating.

He denigrates himself.  The 'MSM' just report it.
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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #932 on: July 16, 2017, 14:18:17 »
It is obvious to enough people the bulk of MSM are alarmingly bias.  Everyday this is demonstrated.  It is undemocratic and everyone should be seriously concerned. 




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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #933 on: July 16, 2017, 14:26:07 »
What has democracy got to do with selling newspapers? It is a business. Period.

Media companies will print what sells ads. The "truth" or "defending democracy" has never been the primary consideration.



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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #934 on: July 16, 2017, 14:39:35 »
Freedom of the press is protected in the constitution.  Therefore it shouldn't favour anyone person/party/government etc.  A free and unbiased press is essential to a western democracy.

The alternative is propaganda.
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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #935 on: July 16, 2017, 15:53:07 »
I watch a few online sources for decent coverage and interpretation, and much greater detail than one will find in any MSM coverage.

The Still Report https://www.youtube.com/user/bstill3/videos is very reliable. "Bill Still is a former newspaper editor and publisher. He has written for USA Today, The Saturday Evening Post, the Los Angeles Times Syndicate, OMNI magazine, and has also produced the syndicated radio program, Health News. He has written 22 books and two documentary videos and is the host of his wildly popular daily YouTube Channel the "Still Report", the quintessential report on the economy and Washington." He has a plain, no-frills style and, on the rare occasion where he gets something wrong, comes out and says so and why. He is a Republican and Donald Trump supporter, and was extremely accurate with commentary and predictions during the recent US election. He has large network of contacts and sources built up over many years of journalism.

Mark Steyn https://www.steynonline.com/

HA Goodman https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDB5XReUyyqt-FTNdkzFN-A/videos is a "progressive", supported Jill Stein and subsequently Bernie Sanders in the last US election, still believes that Bernie Sanders could have beaten Donald Trump, states regularly that Clinton was unelectable and says why, and points out the errors of both and details the Clinton crimes.

Scott Adams, creator of Dilbert https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-W_DvNZoIW1433DrLBQHUQ/videos. Scott Adams talks about Presidential approval https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ft1FV58D0Y. Dilbert Creator Scott Adams on Predicting Trump Winning in a Landslide https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-sBO6OppAc.

Tipping Point With Liz Wheeler on OAN https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMfKNuYXBc9bxb0fg2cGTBg/videos has some good material and commentary, but presentation (while scenic) can be overhyped and I've picked out a few inaccuracies.

Mark Dice https://www.youtube.com/user/MarkDice/videos is entertaining and enjoys skewering liberals and left-leaning media.

Steven Crowder https://www.youtube.com/user/StevenCrowder/videos is also very entertaining but also puts a lot of effort into some very good investigations, such as https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lq4WBOkFNtE

Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity of Fox News on various Youtube channels.

I will occasionally look at some other pro-Republican/pro-Donald Trump sites, but most have more fluff and/or hype than solid content or are too whacko/conspiracy-theory-oriented.

I will still occasionally look at left-leaning sites just as I read loads of Soviet propaganda during the Cold War in order to understand my opponent, but both could/can only be taken in small doses and are normally wrong. There is some unintentional humour on those sites, however.

The MSM in the US are far more biased than the MSM here. Democrat shortcomings, mistakes, and crimes are glossed-over, ignored, or covered-up, yet they blow every minor Republican/Donald Trump error out of proportion, leap on every blatant falsehood such as the shabby "dossier" that claimed that Donald Trump hired hookers to urinate on a bed in a hotel in Russia in which the Obamas supposedly slept, invent BS, deliberately misrepresent and deceive, and are consistently wrong. CNN's audience has shrunk considerably.
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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #936 on: July 16, 2017, 16:14:14 »
Freedom of the press is protected in the constitution.  Therefore it shouldn't favour anyone person/party/government etc.  A free and unbiased press is essential to a western democracy.

The alternative is propaganda.

Freedom means freedom regardless of whether it favours someone or even if it is propaganda.

I can't think of a time in US history (going right back to the revolution) where the press wasn't biased in favour of one side or cause in matters of political reporting. It's always been a matter of degrees.

The point is that we must assume that we are getting biased views and therefore read widely and make our own opinions based on the internal logic that is present or missing in the various reports. The trouble is that most people come with preconceptions and gravitate only to the viewpoints that they favour. This is why I force myself to read Fox as much as I read CNN as well as BBC, Spiegel and other foreign reports on North American events.

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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #937 on: July 16, 2017, 18:36:56 »
The 2016 election is still relevant to politics in 2017.  Everything underhanded tactic that was used in 2016 (or earlier) will, if not punished sufficiently, be repeated in future.
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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #938 on: July 16, 2017, 21:01:38 »
The approval ratings are brought to you by the same people who produced all of the polls and predictions that he would never win the Republican nomination, and had almost no chance of winning the Presidency.
And yet, if it helps the narrative ...  ;D

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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #939 on: July 16, 2017, 23:42:42 »
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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #940 on: July 17, 2017, 07:48:19 »
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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #941 on: July 17, 2017, 08:51:47 »
The point is that we must assume that we are getting biased views and therefore read widely and make our own opinions based on the internal logic that is present or missing in the various reports.

The trouble is that most people come with preconceptions and gravitate only to the viewpoints that they favour.

No, I think the trouble lay in such people then coming here (both pro-right and pro-left) to repeat their same unsubstantiated 'my side is flawlessly awesome' dogma, while childishly -- and often illiterately -- name-calling any  opposition, over.... and over..... and over again -- turning every politics and politically-tinged thread here into the same mindless (and therefore of little value, beyond individual posters' intellectual masturbation) Tokyo Rose / Jihadi John garbage.   "A lie told often enough becomes the truth" playing out before us.

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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #942 on: July 17, 2017, 12:52:33 »
I try to keep this in mind when in Radio Chatter,
We have to remember to check if we are in RADIO CHATTER before we want to "seriously" comment on a less than "serious" thread.   

.....turning every politics and politically-tinged thread here into the same mindless (and therefore of little value, beyond individual posters' intellectual masturbation) Tokyo Rose / Jihadi John garbage.

In your leisure time, have a look through any number of topics within "Military Current Affairs & News," "International Defence and Security," "The Canadian Military," "VAC and other Soldiers' Benefits," "Canadian Politics"..... which are not  in Radio Chatter, yet meet the 'politically-tinged' term.

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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #943 on: July 18, 2017, 23:26:16 »
For reference,

US Election: 2016 
http://milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,108210.3200.html
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« Reply #944 on: July 19, 2017, 01:26:39 »
No, I think the trouble lay in such people then coming here (both pro-right and pro-left) to repeat their same unsubstantiated 'my side is flawlessly awesome' dogma, while childishly -- and often illiterately -- name-calling any  opposition, over.... and over..... and over again -- turning every politics and politically-tinged thread here into the same mindless (and therefore of little value, beyond individual posters' intellectual masturbation) Tokyo Rose / Jihadi John garbage.   "A lie told often enough becomes the truth" playing out before us.

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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #945 on: July 19, 2017, 08:09:36 »
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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #946 on: July 21, 2017, 12:17:53 »
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White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer has quit, reportedly in protest at a shake-up of the communications team.

Mr Spicer stepped down because he was unhappy with President Donald Trump's appointment of a new communications director, reports the New York Times.

Combative Wall Street financier Anthony Scaramucci has been picked for the role that Mr Spicer partially filled ...
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Re: U.S. Politics 2017 (split fm US Election: 2016)
« Reply #947 on: July 21, 2017, 12:42:48 »
Not really all that surprised.
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