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Re: Facial Fur
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2005, 13:17:21 »
Just to add....the only sailors allowed beards these days are those in a non seagoing billet. On our ship and all ships are going this way its illegal to have a beard.
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Standard for Beard in the army
« Reply #26 on: December 26, 2008, 19:29:40 »
I will like to have picture of the standard for beard in the army
At my unit, we found a way to make money for different organism,
pay 15 $ first month,
then 5 $ every month,
that give you the oportunity to have a beard,
but i will like to trim mine,
what is the standart ?

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Re: Standard for Beard in the army
« Reply #27 on: December 26, 2008, 19:34:32 »
I'm curious about something, armymen :

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So you went in the reserve at 15 16 ?
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Re: Standard for Beard in the army
« Reply #28 on: December 26, 2008, 19:37:20 »
From CFP 265

Beards (see Figure 2-2-2)
(a) Subject to procedures established
by commanders of commands,
permission to wear a beard shall
only be granted to all ranks who
wear the naval uniform, wherever
serving; all ranks on strength of an
infantry pioneer platoon; adherents
of the Sikh religion (see Section 3);
and personnel, on the direction of a
medical officer, subject to medical
reassessment at intervals not
exceeding six months. Other
personnel shall shave off their
beards.
(b) Where beards are authorized, they
shall be worn with a moustache;
kept neatly trimmed, especially on
the lower neck and cheekbones;
and not exceed 2.5 cm (1 in.) in
bulk.
(c) When a beard is grown or removed,
identification documents shall be
replaced in accordance with
security regulations

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Re: Standard for Beard in the army
« Reply #29 on: December 26, 2008, 20:00:24 »
So whats with the vandoos and their beards?

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Re: Standard for Beard in the army
« Reply #30 on: December 26, 2008, 20:03:31 »
Just cause they are the Vandoos  ???  ;D
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Re: Standard for Beard in the army
« Reply #31 on: December 26, 2008, 20:07:18 »
From CFP 265

Beards (see Figure 2-2-2)
(a) Subject to procedures established
by commanders of commands,
permission to wear a beard shall
only be granted to all ranks who
wear the naval uniform, wherever
serving; all ranks on strength of an
infantry pioneer platoon; adherents
of the Sikh religion (see Section 3);
and personnel, on the direction of a
medical officer, subject to medical
reassessment at intervals not
exceeding six months. Other
personnel shall shave off their
beards.
(b) Where beards are authorized, they
shall be worn with a moustache;
kept neatly trimmed, especially on
the lower neck and cheekbones;
and not exceed 2.5 cm (1 in.) in
bulk.
(c) When a beard is grown or removed,
identification documents shall be
replaced in accordance with
security regulations


thanks  NFLD Grinch
If somebody have any pic of the standard like ?
im visual, lol

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Re: Standard for Beard in the army
« Reply #32 on: December 26, 2008, 20:19:38 »
thanks  NFLD Grinch
If somebody have any pic of the standard like ?
im visual, lol

bottom of my post has the fol:


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 FIGURE 2-2-2.pdf (75.94 KB - downloaded 3 times.)

click there and you will see the picture.
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Re: Standard for Beard in the army
« Reply #33 on: December 26, 2008, 20:46:23 »
yea the vandoos seem to have a lot nof skin irritation in their ranks it seems. I can see  some lack of shaving when deployed in the field when water is short but when in garrison i dont think theres any real reason for it .
modded to correct a typo
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Re: Standard for Beard in the army
« Reply #34 on: December 26, 2008, 22:22:49 »
haha thanks guys

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Re: Standard for Beard in the army
« Reply #35 on: December 27, 2008, 10:29:53 »
I'm curious about something, armymen :

Mil Exp:    reserve 2003-2006 (INF 2RNBR) Reg Log 2006-Now
Âge:    21


So you went in the reserve at 15 16 ?

Not an uncommon thing Yrys....

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Re: Standard for Beard in the army
« Reply #36 on: December 27, 2008, 13:42:22 »
I will like to have picture of the standard for beard in the army
At my unit, we found a way to make money for different organism,
pay 15 $ first month,
then 5 $ every month,
that give you the oportunity to have a beard,
but i will like to trim mine,
what is the standart ?

Curious - so what you're saying is that all I have to do to have a beard now is to pay someone? Cool. Add this to the list of 265 circumventions and wait for it - we'll all be choosing our own colors and limited to only 8 facial piercings soon enough.

How is it there are Sr NCO's out there that are completely clueless? Not to mention a soldier with over 5 years experience who has no clue what his facial hair should look like and where to find the order. I give up.
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Re: Standard for Beard in the army
« Reply #37 on: December 27, 2008, 14:07:37 »
Curious - so what you're saying is that all I have to do to have a beard now is to pay someone? Cool. Add this to the list of 265 circumventions and wait for it - we'll all be choosing our own colors and limited to only 8 facial piercings soon enough.

How is it there are Sr NCO's out there that are completely clueless? Not to mention a soldier with over 5 years experience who has no clue what his facial hair should look like and where to find the order. I give up.

Sounds like they're donating the money to charity (I'm assuming the poster in a Franco and organism = organisation). If it's allowed under the regs I don't see what's wrong with it. In fact, it seems like a good idea for a charity fundraiser to me.

Beards, moustaches....same thing. 


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Re: Standard for Beard in the army
« Reply #38 on: December 27, 2008, 14:19:20 »
Sounds like they're donating the money to charity (I'm assuming the poster in a Franco and organism = organisation). If it's allowed under the regs I don't see what's wrong with it. In fact, it seems like a good idea for a charity fundraiser to me.

Beards, moustaches....same thing. 



You will find that what you are refering to are usualy "beard growing contests" that run between specific dates and have strict rules ( like going away on TD, courses, etc...) not what the posted was describing.

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Re: Standard for Beard in the army
« Reply #39 on: December 27, 2008, 14:30:58 »
You will find that what you are refering to are usualy "beard growing contests" that run between specific dates and have strict rules ( like going away on TD, courses, etc...) not what the posted was describing.

I'm just going by what I can gather from what he said. I.e. he has to pay to grow a beard to support different 'organisms' (read orgs). I'm just asking BinRat55 why he seems so opposed to the idea. You ARE allowed to grow a beard, according to the regs, it's been going on for years and I haven't seen any CF members with a minimum '8 piercings' yet. 

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Re: Standard for Beard in the army
« Reply #40 on: December 27, 2008, 14:36:08 »
Sounds like a unique way to raise money for charity. Not something i could contribute to though as I have a baby face and couldn't even grow a bad moustache if I tried.  8) As long as the facial hair adheres to guidelines I personally have never seen issue with it, just as long as the member remembers that they are representing the CF and should look professional, not like an escapee from a biker convention.
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Re: Standard for Beard in the army
« Reply #41 on: December 28, 2008, 09:15:43 »
I'm just going by what I can gather from what he said. I.e. he has to pay to grow a beard to support different 'organisms' (read orgs). I'm just asking BinRat55 why he seems so opposed to the idea. You ARE allowed to grow a beard, according to the regs, it's been going on for years and I haven't seen any CF members with a minimum '8 piercings' yet. 

I'm not opposed to a beard growing contest. I "attempt" to participate in one every year - it lasts about 4 weeks. HOWEVER... if you reread the original post, 15 bucks for the first month and 5 bucks a month every month thereafter does not constitute a beard growing contest. It actually contradicts the dress regs. That's what i'm opposed to.
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Re: Standard for Beard in the army
« Reply #42 on: December 28, 2008, 09:45:45 »
True enough, but in this case such a change in the dress regs would have to require the approval of the CO or other responsible officer wouldn't it? After all the non-commissioned ranks can't just pick up and do as they please, I could see more than one Sgt Major having a fit over that one.  :threat:
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Re: Standard for Beard in the army
« Reply #43 on: December 28, 2008, 10:03:23 »
I'm just going by what I can gather from what he said. I.e. he has to pay to grow a beard to support different 'organisms' (read orgs). I'm just asking BinRat55 why he seems so opposed to the idea. You ARE allowed to grow a beard, according to the regs, it's been going on for years and I haven't seen any CF members with a minimum '8 piercings' yet. 

Read the regs again Piper.


From CFP 265

Beards (see Figure 2-2-2)
(a) Subject to procedures established
by commanders of commands,
permission to wear a beard shall
only be granted to all ranks who
wear the naval uniform, wherever
serving; all ranks on strength of an
infantry pioneer platoon; adherents
of the Sikh religion (see Section 3);
and personnel, on the direction of a
medical officer
, subject to medical
reassessment at intervals not
exceeding six months. Other
personnel shall shave off their
beards.

IMHO the fol apply:

1. The OP is army, so therefore not entitled
2. Pioneers have not existed for some time, therefore not entitled
3. Doesn't apper to be Sikh
4. If a MO says its a medical condition, ok (can't see a whole section or platoon coming down with this)



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Re: Standard for Beard in the army
« Reply #44 on: December 28, 2008, 10:06:15 »
Read the regs again Piper.


IMHO the fol apply:

1. The OP is army, so therefore not entitled
2. Pioneers have not existed for some time, therefore not entitled
3. Doesn't apper to be Sikh
4. If a MO says its a medical condition, ok (can't see a whole section or platoon coming down with this)





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All things beard-y (regs, memos, Army/Navy) - merged
« Reply #45 on: October 26, 2010, 00:45:35 »
Hi, I'd like to know where, exactly, can I find the order-instruction-message ordering the shaving of beards for flight day?

Is it a Canlandgen, Canforgen or something else ?

I'm an infantryman eith the medical O3 shaving restriction, y'know' 'can't shave unless ordered so for operationnal reasons'. So, I'd like to check and make sure I'm not being played by a power hungry, beard hater velcro wearing Platoon 2IC.

Thanks.

And forget about the 'check with your COC' obvious replies, if you re-read my post you'll see I checked but the source is ...let's say biased.


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Re: Wearing of beard for 3-10
« Reply #46 on: October 26, 2010, 06:05:22 »
Did you check with the UMS to see what "operational reasons" entails? Something is telling me CBRN situation, but I can't recall exactly. They should have the details based on what each of those categories actually means.

FWIW, wearing a beard in theatre eventually becomes a bit of a pain, even though it becomes almost second nature depending on where you are. The itchiness and constant feeling of "my beard feels disgusting" from the constant dust and sweat gets old fast.

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Re: Wearing of beard for 3-10
« Reply #47 on: October 26, 2010, 06:30:39 »
As I recall during my work up for my tours in Afghanistan, we were required to have fit, functional CBRN gear, including the mask.  The mask requires a person to be clean shaven.  I'm just throwing this out here, but, to my feeble mind, that appears to be a valid operational reason.


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Re: Wearing of beard for 3-10
« Reply #48 on: October 26, 2010, 07:27:37 »
As I recall during my work up for my tours in Afghanistan, we were required to have fit, functional CBRN gear, including the mask.  The mask requires a person to be clean shaven.  I'm just throwing this out here, but, to my feeble mind, that appears to be a valid operational reason.


Just sayin'.

Actually not quite correct Technoviking. When the current CBRN mask was first released we had Pioneer Ptns and Naval pers who both readily wore beards. As was explained to me not long ago that mask was designed with facial hair included in the design process. So the often argued CBRN reason is actually null and void. Now on the Navy side of the house with a positive pressure system the facial  hair will now allow seal and that is why sailors at sea no longer have beards.

I am over here now and the beard issue is one of great discussion. It came out for my Roto (9...Leaving soon WOO HOO) that if you have a beard on your CF ID card and/or your passport your good, otherwise it must be shaved.

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Re: Wearing of beard for 3-10
« Reply #49 on: October 26, 2010, 07:35:26 »
As was explained to me not long ago that mask was designed with facial hair included in the design process. So the often argued CBRN reason is actually null and void.

Really?  Because when we were fit-tested by a civilian company prior to my tour in 2005, it was stated that even hair from the forehead under the mask could compromise the seal.
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