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I've served for 19 yrs both in the Reserves and the Regular Force (all of it with operational units, the past 9 in 1 PPCLI), one of my biggest pet peeves is the lack of attention members pay to the
administration in regards to their family (this applies to both single and married/common-law mbrs).  Now I realize that it is not entirely the soldiers fault, in some cases they're just not aware, or do not know where to find it the maze of administrative regulations

I have dealt with issues (death of children, mbrs, spouses etc) over the years that would have had entirely different outcomes had mbrs been more aware of their responsibilities.  The attached document was written to explain to my Pl Comds, Sr NCO's and soldiers of the unit and their spouses what is available to them.  It is based on current regulations (I update it regularly) and personal experience.  This has gone out on the "clerk net" to my buddies and I've been told it's very useful,
I've also been told I should have it officially published but in the mean time I'd like to get it out to a larger audience through this forum.

Feel free to give comments/feedback, let me know if it's helpful, it would be appreciated, if anyone has any questions feel free to ask...yes I'm a clerk and I'm here to help you  ;)


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Re: THE MILITARY - YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - IMPORTANT
« Reply #1 on: May 16, 2005, 17:06:19 »
Fusilier, an excellent piece, thank you. I have linked your post from the general section of the Recruiting FAQ, it's never too early for members to absorb the importance and details of such matters.

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Re: THE MILITARY - YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - IMPORTANT
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2005, 17:14:25 »
I am not yet a member of the Canadian Forces, but hope to be soon. Thank you so much for the very helpful information. I am sure that it will come in very handy in time!

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« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2005, 17:17:55 »
Thank you, too true - teach them while they're fresh.   

I would also encourage new members to request to be nominated for Long-Term Planning (LTP) Seminars through their local Base Personnel Selection Office (PSO), check with your chain of command for the nomination proceedures.   

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Re: THE MILITARY - YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - IMPORTANT
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2005, 13:43:02 »
Fusilier,

  As a fellow clerk, I have to say that what you have created is an excellent info package.  And, yes, you most definitely should submit it for official dissemination.  You need to be recognized for your efforts and your concern for the soldiers.  BZ!
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Re: THE MILITARY - YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - IMPORTANT
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2005, 14:17:20 »
WOTAN,

Thank you for the compliment.  Truthfully, I would like to publish it (or similar) to reach a wider audience but I'm not sure how to proceed or who to fwd it to.  If you have any ideas plse let me know!

Thanks again

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Re: THE MILITARY - YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - IMPORTANT
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2005, 21:15:00 »
Fusiler,

You could forward it through your Adjt to G1 1 CMBG for distribution throughout the 1 CMBG and LFWA (and possibly the army!).  I can have it posted on the LFWA DIN and Internet sites.

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Re: THE MILITARY - YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - IMPORTANT
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2005, 21:42:18 »
Great Article,my suggestion is send it to The Maple Leaf with a short letter of explanation. I salute you for bringing it forward, I have saved it to my work files and will pass it on. :salute:
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Re: THE MILITARY - YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - IMPORTANT
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2005, 22:54:04 »
Excellent document, once a copy editor, always a copy editor.

Just a few suggested amends:

1. Operational Verification Readiness (ORV) should read Operational Readiness Verification

2. "Where possible, references have been included in the applicable section, for a complete list of references see page 8."  I did not see a page 8 with references in the download.

3. FCA - It is limited to single members and service couples - should read single parents.

4. NOTE:  you do not require to have custody of the child(ren) in order to provide dental coverage for them.  Should read: you are not required to have...

I would suggest submission to ADM HR (Mil), your MFRC and CF Personnel Newsletter, see submission guidelines @ http://www.forces.gc.ca/hr/cfpn/engraph/subguidelines_e.asp.  It would be also be a  welcome addition to the web page @ http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/family/index_e.asp
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Re: THE MILITARY - YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - IMPORTANT
« Reply #9 on: July 12, 2005, 09:38:52 »
Thank you,  :salute:

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Re: THE MILITARY - YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - IMPORTANT
« Reply #10 on: July 12, 2005, 13:46:05 »
Me and my wife get FCA as a service couple or has this recently changed?
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Re: THE MILITARY - YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - IMPORTANT
« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2005, 14:15:39 »
Me and my wife get FCA as a service couple or has this recently changed?

No changes, service couples are still entitled.  What Gunner 98 meant is in my original document I said "It is limited to single members and service couples", he was right it should read "single parents and service couples


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Re: THE MILITARY - YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - IMPORTANT
« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2005, 14:32:36 »
LOL silly me thanks for the clarification

Had me worried considering we are both scheduled to deploy on the BTE
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Re: THE MILITARY - YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - IMPORTANT
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2005, 14:36:11 »
No problem, any more questions come down and see me in the BOR  ;) that is if you're at work...if so..get back to work!!  ;D

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Re: THE MILITARY - YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - IMPORTANT
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2005, 14:38:48 »
on Block leave...gotta love it!
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Re: THE MILITARY - YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - IMPORTANT
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2005, 14:42:21 »
MJP, lucky you!

Now I should get back to work! 

If anyone has any questions ref any of these issues contact your administrative staff at your unit for assistance.  Or feel free to post a question on this thread or send me a pers msg and I'll do my best to answer you.




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Re: THE MILITARY - YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - IMPORTANT
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2005, 17:48:18 »
Sorry if this is a dumb question but what is FCA? Another question; me and my other half have been living together for 2 years and are both service members, this means that we are considered common-law by the military (haven't signed anything though). I have 2 children living in BC ( I am in Pet) and I want to know how our common-law status will effect my LTA opportunities to travel to see my children? Many thanks to anyone out there who can make sense of any of this for me..lol
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Re: THE MILITARY - YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - IMPORTANT
« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2005, 20:58:14 »
Cdn Sig:  Just ask if you require further clarification after reading and digesting info below.

Just because you are living together does not make you Common-law, you must both sign a Common Law Agreement whereby you lawfully declare each other to be common law husband and wife.  Have you been declared as spouses to a career manager?   CFAO 19-41 on Common Law Rel'ps at: http://www.admfincs.forces.gc.ca/admfincs/subjects/cfao/019-41_e.asp

Leave Travel Clarification at link:
http://www.forces.gc.ca/dgcb/dcba/engraph/LTA_e.asp?sidesection=2&sidecat=7

In brief: FOR MBRS WITH DEPENDANTS, HOME AND PARENT FOR THE PURPOSES OF LTA ARE DEFINED IN REF B. IN THE EVENT OF SEPARATION/DIVORCE, A MBR WHO HAS SOME FORM OF LEGAL CUSTODY BUT NOT PRIMARY CUSTODY OF A DEPENDANT CHILD MAY BE REIMBURSED LTA TO THE LOCATION WHERE THE DEPENDANT CHILD OF THAT RELATIONSHIP RESIDES. WHEN A MBR ACQUIRES NEW DEPENDANTS BY BLOOD, MARRIAGE (INCL COMMON LAW), SAME SEX PARTNERSHIP OR ADOPTION ONLY THE MOST RECENT RELATIONSHIP CAN BE RECOGNIZED FOR LTA PURPOSES

Family Care Assistance (FCA)  see link: http://www.forces.gc.ca/dgcb/dcba/engraph/fca_e.asp?sidesection=2&sidecat=7
What is Family Care Assistance (FCA)?

A.   The FCA is a non-taxable benefit designed to aid CF single parents and Married Service Couples (MSCs), with the costs that are incurred for family care which results from absences of 24 hours or more of the single member or of both the married service members. A member referred to above is entitled to be reimbursed a maximum of the daily amount for childcare established by Treasury Board in respect of the difference between:

a.   the amount paid by the member for childcare or attendant care services as a direct result of their being absent from the family home or place of duty for a period of 24 hours or more; and

b.   the amount normally paid by the member for childcare or attendant care services.

Background:
During SCONDVA's year-long hearings public attention was drawn to the financial difficulties facing many CF members and their families as a result of extended absences of the military member from the family and the substantial child-care costs thereby incurred. This situation is particularly acute in single-parent families when the service member is deployed or sent on training. It is also a problem among dual-service couples when both members are absent through deployment, training or a combination of both.

The Department recognizes the financial hardships imposed on CF members and their families when members are deployed on short notice. To alleviate this situation, emergency childcare services are now offered through the Military Family Resource Centres. This service provides families access to affordable and regulated childcare in times of emergency and addresses financial hardship to families during an emergency. However, the emergency childcare service does not address the financial impact on the service family of long-term deployment or training, hence the development of Family Care Assistance (FCA) to complement the existing program.

The Family Care Assistance program will provide financial assistance to single parent families or single members who have family members under the age of 16, or over 16 who require assistance due to physical or mental disability and who is not receiving a pension. Service couples would also be eligible for financial assistance when both members are required by the Canadian Forces to be absent from home at the same time for a period exceeding 24 hours. It is estimated the Family Care Assistance will cost $6.1 million annually.

CBI 209.335 - FAMILY CARE ASSISTANCE

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Re: THE MILITARY - YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - IMPORTANT
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2005, 21:27:35 »
Clear as a bell now Gunner. Thanks a ton. (and no we have not been declared as spouses to our career manager).  :salute:
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Re: THE MILITARY - YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - IMPORTANT
« Reply #19 on: November 01, 2005, 20:32:08 »
This was a great piece, very well written. Well done.

I can say with experience what I have done with the relationship between my career and family, has worked for us.  Over the last year our family has been tested, tried, and we are still going forward.

I believe that it is necessary to acknowledge that it is a relationship that we have with our families and our work.  We need to work with our families just as hard as we do to get a decent PER.  What I do is I go to work thirty to forty-five minutes before work, and when I am home, I am AT HOME, I am not doing "work things".  If I need to prepare my kit, I do it after my kids go to bed.  If I need to stay up past midnight I will, just so I can spend that extra minute with the kids, to me there is not a conflict. 

Sundays, is always "Family Day", we all go hiking, walking, even shopping if we have to, but we are all doing it together, and nothing to do with anything else.  Just us as a Family.

With putting your family first while you are at home, it makes things easier on them when things get tougher on the work side.  Your family have all of the time that you have spent with them, and will spend with them to bank on when things calm down again.

Food for thought.

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Re: THE MILITARY - YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - IMPORTANT
« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2006, 16:16:11 »
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Someone should post this on the military wives sites, as most of you guys will admit when you aren't around your better halves look after this kind of stuff
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Re: THE MILITARY - YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - IMPORTANT
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2006, 08:29:45 »
Thank you. I have also just applied to the Army so this is good to know.
Thanks again

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Re: THE MILITARY - YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - IMPORTANT
« Reply #22 on: September 18, 2007, 23:05:25 »
To All who have read previous versions of this.  I try to update as the regulations change to make this a useful document.  I appreciate comments and suggestions as I feel it only can improve the overall content.  Remember this is not any kind of official publication, just me trying to look after my guys & girls  :)

When I first posted this in 2005 may people found it useful, at that time I had a couple of tours under my belt and already lenghty service with the combat arms.  I have now been back from Afghanstan for a year, as chief clerk of the TF 1-06 Infantry Battle Group myself and my staff saw first hand how important things like PEN forms, SDB etc are. 

Please, please people, take the time to ask questions and fill these things out properly.  This document is intended as a guide, use it and ask questions of your admin staff.  It does not just apply to operational tours but your day to day service as you never know what may happen.

My son is currently going through BMQ, and hopes to become an infanteer in the regiment I served with and my husband served with.  We are very proud of him.  Before he left I sat him down and reviewed this document and he said "mom, I don't have a wife and kids yet" and I said "no, but you still have family, you can't put a PO box number as our address on your PEN form, how will the assisting officer find me if they need to?"   I know that in the future he will be going somewhere, maybe not to Afghanistan but most likely somewhere like it. 

All I can say everyone is, I've seen it from all sides.  Lost good friends and watched as things were more difficult for their families than they should have been.  Work with your admin staff, educate yourselves on your entitlements and what is available to you and ensure your documentation will stand the test at ALL times not just prior to deployments.

Good luck to you out there that are deploying now and in the future.  Hope this may help you no mater where you are; home or abroad - here is the 2007 version  :salute:

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« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2007, 11:21:13 »
Posted previously - this is an updated copy

To All who have read previous versions of this.  I try to update as the regulations change to make this a useful document.  I appreciate comments and suggestions as I feel it only can improve the overall content.  Remember this is not any kind of official publication, just me trying to look after my guys & girls 

When I first posted this in 2005 may people found it useful, at that time I had a couple of tours under my belt and already lengthy service with the combat arms.  I have now been back from Afghanstan for a year, as chief clerk of the TF 1-06 Infantry Battle Group myself and my staff saw first hand how important things like PEN forms, SDB etc are. 

Please, please people, take the time to ask questions and fill these things out properly.  This document is intended as a guide, use it and ask questions of your admin staff.  It does not just apply to operational tours but your day to day service as you never know what may happen.

My son is currently going through BMQ, and hopes to become an infanteer in the regiment I served with and my husband served with.  We are very proud of him.  Before he left I sat him down and reviewed this document and he said "mom, I don't have a wife and kids yet" and I said "no, but you still have family, you can't put a PO box number as our address on your PEN form, how will the assisting officer find me if they need to?"   I know that in the future he will be going somewhere, maybe not to Afghanistan but most likely somewhere like it. 

All I can say everyone is, I've seen it from all sides.  Lost good friends and watched as things were more difficult for their families than they should have been.  Work with your admin staff, educate yourselves on your entitlements and what is available to you and ensure your documentation will stand the test at ALL times not just prior to deployments.

Good luck to you out there that are deploying now and in the future.  Hope this may help you no mater where you are; home or abroad - here is the 2007 version 

To the Army.ca staff thank you for the opportunity to post what I feel and hope you do too a useful tool

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Re: THE MILITARY AND YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - UPDATED FOR 2007
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2007, 13:28:17 »
Nice post Fusilier and good, useful info too.

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If you or someone you love is having difficulty & would like to speak to someone who has been through a similar experience, who understands, & will respect your need for privacy and confidentiality, contact OSISS toll-free at 1-800-883-6094. You can locate the peer closest to you by logging on to www.osiss.ca, clicking on “Contact us” link & then choosing the “Peer” or “Family Support Network”. Help IS out there.

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« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2007, 13:32:10 »
Thanks Vern, I knw the last one was given the big blue thumb tack but I wanted to make sure the updated version is avail.

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« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2007, 13:33:26 »
Thanks Vern, I knw the last one was given the big blue thumb tack but I wanted to make sure the updated version is avail.

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I just recommended the thumb tack for this one too. And now, off to shop.  ;D

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« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2007, 13:36:12 »
Big blue thumb tack status is set....

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« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2007, 16:09:29 »
Excellent post and an excellent document. You told your son that the AO has to find him but it is usually the Padre who has to find folks first and the AO who follows shortly after.....I understand now in the Army that the AO and the Padre are going together as a Notification team. As one who has spent a lot of time trying to decipher the chicken scratch on a PEN form in the middle of the night only to find out that the NOK moved a year earlier I can support your advice to your son to have the forms up to date. After reading your document I must say it's time I updated my will....kids are grown and gone now and I'm proceeding on IR in January so there are a few things that should be updated etc.
Thanks for this it's an excellent resource.

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« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2007, 16:45:17 »
IN HOC,

Thanks for your comments much appreciated.  I've heard there may be upcoming changes to the PEN form, and I hope so as I think we can definately make it better.  I've seen the US version, it's a 2 or 3 page doc but covers just about everything you would ever need as a form for your PERS file and to give your NOK as a referance.  I'm in the process of DAGing people now and trying to make them understand the importance of these docs is like talking to a brick wall!!  I will (beat them if I have to) make them understand!

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Re: THE MILITARY AND YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - UPDATED FOR 2007
« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2007, 17:24:44 »
Nice, could have used that a few years ago, too late now...

One question - on Page 8, it says MARTIAL BREAKDOWN EFFECTS ON BENEFITS - MEDICAL/DENTAL

Should that be 'marital' instead of 'martial'?

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« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2007, 17:27:09 »
OMG....holy crap you are so right!  I'll correct my copy - thanks so much!!  so much for spell check! ;D

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Re: THE MILITARY AND YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - UPDATED FOR 2007
« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2007, 17:54:57 »
Are you comfortable with me printing some copies off to give to my soldiers, especially the new ones?
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Re: THE MILITARY AND YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - UPDATED FOR 2007
« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2007, 17:58:30 »
I have no problem with anyone using it.  Just remember it's not an official document, but is it my work and I do and will take responsibility for any omissions/errors.  My name is on it so just blame me  ;)

The purpose is awareness and info, so plse feel free to use it if it's helpful

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Re: THE MILITARY AND YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - UPDATED FOR 2007
« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2007, 18:03:02 »
Hm, I can use this in the future, thanks!
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Re: THE MILITARY AND YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - UPDATED FOR 2007
« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2007, 19:26:00 »
One question I did have was about the common-law marriage.  Your document says it is not recognized by the CF until one year has passed. 

I thought it used to be six months?  Is that right or has it always been one year?

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Re: THE MILITARY AND YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - UPDATED FOR 2007
« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2007, 20:01:19 »
IN HOC,

Thanks for your comments much appreciated.  I've heard there may be upcoming changes to the PEN form, and I hope so as I think we can definately make it better.  I've seen the US version, it's a 2 or 3 page doc but covers just about everything you would ever need as a form for your PERS file and to give your NOK as a referance.  I'm in the process of DAGing people now and trying to make them understand the importance of these docs is like talking to a brick wall!!  I will (beat them if I have to) make them understand!

"slap" - get going and update your will  ;)

No doubt. I've seen cases where the SDB goes to the mother because the member did his form when he was in Basic and never revised it when he married. that gave the family a lot of heartache after the fact. as mentioned the stories of us trying to find someone on the NOK form who has moved or the relationship has changed i.e. divorce etc are many. No one thinks they are ever going to die (denial) so of course it's not important to make proper plans and fill out the forms properly.
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Re: THE MILITARY AND YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - UPDATED FOR 2007
« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2007, 20:15:12 »
One question I did have was about the common-law marriage.  Your document says it is not recognized by the CF until one year has passed. 

I thought it used to be six months?  Is that right or has it always been one year?


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Re: THE MILITARY AND YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - UPDATED FOR 2007
« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2007, 20:36:10 »
Fusilier:

When I was CC 3 VP I incorporated a similar document into my unit's Adm Instr - I stole it from 1 VP, I think - with permission.  This would have been in '02 - '03.  Would that have been your work as well?  If so, excellent work then and regardless if that old one was yours, excellent work now.


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Re: THE MILITARY AND YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - UPDATED FOR 2007
« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2007, 22:13:54 »
6 months for civvie land, 1 year for us

Does anyone know why it is 1 year then? 

I might have missed this as well, but does time away on tour still count towards co-habitation according to CF regs?  Im also interested in learning if this is being applied to reserve personnel who accept six month deployments - if they are away for a six month period, does that time count towards co-habitation, enabling new spousal benefits partway or after a tour?  I might have to address this with our company's HR department policies when discussing employee and spousal benefits.

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Re: THE MILITARY AND YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - UPDATED FOR 2007
« Reply #40 on: November 15, 2007, 07:01:51 »
Does anyone know why it is 1 year then? 

I might have missed this as well, but does time away on tour still count towards co-habitation according to CF regs?  Im also interested in learning if this is being applied to reserve personnel who accept six month deployments - if they are away for a six month period, does that time count towards co-habitation, enabling new spousal benefits partway or after a tour?  I might have to address this with our company's HR department policies when discussing employee and spousal benefits.

Check out this thread for more references on Common Law.

Ref:  CFAO 19-41 para 5
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5.     The continuous period of at least one year referred to in subparagraph
(2)(c) of  QR&O 1.075 may include periods of involuntary separation for
such reasons as temporary duty, attached posting or unaccompanied posting
(eg, a six-month UN tour). However, the couple must have resided together
as husband and wife during the remainder of the one-year period .
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Re: THE MILITARY AND YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - UPDATED FOR 2007
« Reply #41 on: November 15, 2007, 10:36:43 »
Roy, yup that was me (1 VP 1996-2007).  I sent it out to all the Bde units to make use of if they wished.  Thanks for the comments!

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Re: THE MILITARY AND YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - UPDATED FOR 2007
« Reply #42 on: November 15, 2007, 10:54:14 »
Roy, yup that was me (1 VP 1996-2007).  I sent it out to all the Bde units to make use of if they wished.  Thanks for the comments!

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Re: THE MILITARY AND YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - UPDATED FOR 2007
« Reply #43 on: November 15, 2007, 14:15:00 »
Ha ha, don't know if it would get me anywhere.  Besides, didn't do it for points but to "enlighten" and educate my Pl Comds, the original draft was put out in 1999.  I did submit it to the Bde as something that may be more useful if it was an official booklet (like the Pregnancy and the CF booklet) but nothing came of it.  Maybe I'll try again ;)

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Re: THE MILITARY AND YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - UPDATED FOR 2007
« Reply #44 on: November 15, 2007, 15:33:24 »
Check out this thread for more references on Common Law.

Ref:  CFAO 19-41 para 5

Excellent, thanks for the assist.

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Re: THE MILITARY AND YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - UPDATED FOR 2007
« Reply #45 on: November 15, 2007, 16:21:04 »
Fusilier

Thanks for the updated info.  It will be very handy for a lot of our new soldiers.

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Re: THE MILITARY AND YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - UPDATED FOR 2007
« Reply #46 on: June 28, 2008, 18:08:28 »
If forms are not up to date, nothing can be done; the policy is clear given the huge sums of monies that can be involved in some cases - what is on any form, regardless of the date on the form, is taken as the "last wishes and the direction" of our men and women in uniform.  The leadership must remind, on a regular basis, the men and women under its command to keep these forms up to date. Aside from the PEN form, another good example of a forum that needs to be kept up to date is the Memorial Cross form.   

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Re: THE MILITARY AND YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - UPDATED FOR 2007
« Reply #47 on: July 02, 2008, 12:41:46 »
CMP,

Are you making a comment on content?  Ie; something that must be updated, if so please specify where in the document so that I may amend it.

Understood, we must accept the forms as they are, however members must also accept responsibility for themselves and be an active participant in their own administration.  As administrators all we can do is remind, nag etc both the chain of command and members to ensure their info is kept up to date.  Document review must be done a minimum of once a year, orderly rooms must ensure that their change of marital status checklists (as per A-PM-245) is updated to include new forms etc as they are introduced.  A standardized method of filing particular forms must be followed (ie; PA'd to the left side of the UPF for forms that require regular review).  There are many things that can be done and should be done however in the growing piles of administration the importance of these documents sometimes seem to be lost, that is from my experience in receiving files.

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Re: THE MILITARY AND YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - UPDATED FOR 2007
« Reply #48 on: September 23, 2011, 11:14:18 »
I'm going to forward this doc to some of my "clerk-net". I can't believe you took the time to draft an SOP for doc updating, I admire your work ethic.

As a reminder to all those reading this thread, see your clerks to make sure that your docs are updated. In many cases, the clerks forget, and/or need the practice anyway ;) Just cross your t's and dot your i's and you'll find that policy will work in your favour 9 times out of 10.
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Re: THE MILITARY AND YOUR FAMILY RESPONSIBILITIES - UPDATED FOR 2007
« Reply #49 on: December 03, 2015, 13:45:06 »
Given that this is still pinned, any chance we'll see an update?