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PCat and Heart Attack
« Reply #50 on: February 14, 2011, 10:34:30 »
Have a question for the medical folks.  Here is the background.  Last year I had a heart attack (MI I think it was called).  long and the short of it was had a dye test done and it showed an artery blocked.  Stint was inserted.  2 weeks sick leave followed by 2 weeks light duties(1/2 days) than back to work.  I was put on a T Cat .  before Christmas, seen the Cardiologist who did a stress test and it came out fine, the Cardiologist does not want to see me any more.  Went in to the MIR to get taken off the TCAT and the paper work is about to be submitted.  All my symptons (I guess that is what you would call it are good) cholesterol is good, no more epsiodes other than that 1 bad day, PT test completed, Exempt etc).I am still on medication.   I am a Class A reservist with the occassional Class B contratct (less than 180 days).   My question is what can I expect from all of this.  Will my medical Cat be turned into a PCat because of the procedure I had done or is there a possibility I can get it lifted completely.  The Dr. at the MIR recommended it be lifted, but the final decision gets made with DMed Pol.  Would like to get in one more tour before I call it quits.

I know it is hard to give an answer without all the info and the file in front of you, but just looking for comments.  Thanks much 

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Re: PCat and Heart Attack
« Reply #51 on: February 14, 2011, 15:22:26 »
Theoretically speaking, you would be put on PCat if your condition is chronic (which it is) and if you need specialist medical follow up more frequently than every 6 months. This would make you a G3. If you are unable to complete fitness testing i.e. Expres test, or any part of it, that would make you O3.

If there is no "negative" results of the procedure, other than the need for annual specialist follow up, I would hazard to guess, and it is only an opinion, that your category most likely would stay the same as it was before.

I say again, just my opinion, and best guess at that. The proper answer is above my pay grade and expertise.
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Re: PCat and Heart Attack
« Reply #52 on: February 14, 2011, 15:36:47 »
There are pers out there with pace-makers that fly CF aircraft.  If you come out clear in all the tests, you should be fine for your med category.
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Re: PCat and Heart Attack
« Reply #53 on: February 14, 2011, 17:19:01 »
There are pers out there with pace-makers that fly CF aircraft.  If you come out clear in all the tests, you should be fine for your med category.

Hey!  I know that guy!  He, of course, was restricted to flying a multiple-crew aircraft, just in case.  But as far as I know he's never had any more problems.
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Re: PCat and Heart Attack
« Reply #54 on: February 14, 2011, 19:20:29 »
Rider Pride is correct in his summation of your situation. Likely the only sticking point will be the follow up required.
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Re: PCat and Heart Attack
« Reply #55 on: February 14, 2011, 20:20:10 »
Ref the last comment, I don't remember the exact wording from the civilian cardioligist, but it basically stated he doesn't need to see me again.  I know about the requirement for the 6 month follow up as we had a guy in the unit who went on a PCat because his specialist said he needed to see him every 6 months.  Was relieved when mine said he did not want to see me.

appreciate all the comments so far

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Re: PCat and Heart Attack
« Reply #56 on: February 15, 2011, 12:16:10 »
Each patient is evaluated on a case-by-case basis, so nobody can give you a definitive answer.  However, none of the responses that you have received have mentioned the term "risk factors".  In other words, what risks did you have that caused you to have an MI, the big 4 being high blood pressure, diabetes, high cholesterol and smoking.  Family history and your age also need to be taken into account.  You've noted that your cholesterol is OK, but what about the others?   For example, if you're a smoker you are still at risk of another MI and would be non-deployable IMO.

D Med Pol will determine your final med cat, but a common one in your type of situation assuming risk factors are controlled would be:
G3  Requires more frequent medical follow-up (not more often than every 6 months).
O3  Requires enhanced pre-deployment medical screening

Good luck with your category review.

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PCAT, O3 , G3 FOR ADHD?!?!?
« Reply #57 on: March 30, 2012, 23:36:29 »
Hey everyone, Last monday, i went to the Health service det Vancouver to do  VOT medical update, I told the Physician i have minor ADD diagnosed from childhood, which does not affect my military duty. And i also stated in the questionnaire that i could do every physical actitivties that the questionnaire stated, and the doctor decided to give me a PCAT O3 G3 which slowed down my VOT. They told me, in order to successfully VOT, i have to wait for ottawa respond, which takes minimum 6months.  This PCAT crap has depressed me really much because it prohibited me from any deployment, exercise and summer tasking therefore i have quit my university plan next year due to lack of income. Can anyone please tell me, why the doctor gives me a PCAT, O3 G3 which restricted me from all my military activities when I only have ADD?
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Re: PCAT, O3 , G3 FOR ADHD?!?!?
« Reply #58 on: March 31, 2012, 00:07:01 »
NO ONE here can tell you that.  Why don't/didn't you ask your doctor. 

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Re: PCAT, O3 , G3 FOR ADHD?!?!?
« Reply #59 on: March 31, 2012, 08:55:25 »
You should have asked the Physician why.

Each portion of that category is given for a reason.  Here is the criteria for his decision:

O3 - assigned to the member who has some specific employment limitation(s) which can be clearly and specifically detailed, and which prevent the member from fully meeting the Generic or the MOC task statements.

G3 - assigned to the member:

a.  who is considered likely fit for field exercises, sea environment, isolated postings and operational taskings for periods up to six (6) months;
b. who has a known requirement for scheduled medical service (see definitions in Chapter 2, 4.c.) by an MO but no more frequently than every six (6) months;
c.  whose limitations resulting from a known medical condition do not pose an unacceptable risk to the health and/or safety of the individual or fellow workers in the operational/work environment;
d. who may require and take prescription medications, the unexpected discontinuance (unavailability) of which will not create an unacceptable risk to the member's health and/or safety; and/or
e. who may require a medical evaluation before being sent on the tasking.

And that it is permanent, means the condition will not improve in 1-2 yrs.

This is for information only. More interesting reading can be found here:

http://www.forces.gc.ca/health-sante/pd/CFP-PFC-154/default-eng.asp

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Denied Class B Contract/Extension due to PCAT - HELP
« Reply #60 on: August 24, 2012, 20:28:00 »
I am seeking some assistance from people on this forum for a rather complex situation that I am currently trying to grapple with.  Any assistance, advice and suggestions would be greatly appreciated.  Thank you in advance.

BACKGROUND

-  I have been on class B for over 20 years.
-  Approximately 3 years ago, I was "diagnosed" with 2 specific medical conditions (that developed during my 20 years of class B service) which caused me to be placed on a TCAT.  After visits to a specialist and a few renewals of my TCAT, the MO finally recommended a PCAT.  My file was sent to Ottawa for review approx. 1.5 years ago.  It recently came back and I was assigned a PCAT and MELs which put me in breach of the Universality of Service.
-  My file has been sent to the Area HQ about a month ago for them to begin an AR to determine my “fate”.  I have been told by a number of sources that it is quite possible that I will be released 3b.  I have not yet heard from them in regards to it.
-  Recently, as a result of 2 units amalgamating, my current class B was terminated effective 31 Aug 12.
-  I applied for and was the successful candidate for one of the “new” class B position in the new “amalgamated” unit.  My Unit sent my name to Brigade as the successful candidate and requested auth from the Area to employ me on a 3 year class B contract, effective 01 Sep 12.

ISSUE

I have just been informed by Brigade, that I cannot be offered a new contract or given an extension of my current contract as I am on a PCAT that potentially puts me in breach of the Universality of Service and that I have not completed an EPRES test or BFT in a number of years (as a result of my medical conditions).  I have been informed that I am not being released and that I can continue to employed on class A service.

QUESTIONS

It appears to be that the only reason I am being denied a new contract/extension is due to my “disability”.  Is this possible?  Are there not policies in place to provide for extensions until the AR process has been completed and I am either released 3b or allowed to continue employment with ‘no career restrictions”?

Will it affect any “entitlements” if and when my 3b release comes, that I will, by then, be on class A service vice class B service?

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Re: Denied Class B Contract/Extension due to PCAT - HELP
« Reply #61 on: August 24, 2012, 20:50:14 »
In that you applied for and won a competition for a "new" contract (your words), this is not an extension.    If you were being considered for extension in your old position number, then certain latitude exists for the chain of command to accomodate your medical condition until the AR-MEL decision is rendered.  You are not being extended if this is a "new" position with a new position number. You must meet all the requirements of the new position such as medical and physical fitness.
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Re: Denied Class B Contract/Extension due to PCAT - HELP
« Reply #62 on: August 24, 2012, 21:02:15 »
In that you applied for and won a competition for a "new" contract (your words), this is not an extension.    If you were being considered for extension in your old position number, then certain latitude exists for the chain of command to accomodate your medical condition until the AR-MEL decision is rendered.  You are not being extended if this is a "new" position with a new position number. You must meet all the requirements of the new position such as medical and physical fitness.


My apologies for the confusion.  Brigade has indicated that they will not offer a new contract AND they will not extend my current one to accomodate my medical condition until the AR-MEL decision is rendered.

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Re: Denied Class B Contract/Extension due to PCAT - HELP
« Reply #63 on: August 24, 2012, 21:13:03 »
Brigade has indicated that they will not offer a new contract AND they will not extend my current one to accomodate my medical condition until the AR-MEL decision is rendered.

What Brigade should've said was " they cannot not offer a new contract because you do not meet the position requirements ......"

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Re: Denied Class B Contract/Extension due to PCAT - HELP
« Reply #64 on: August 24, 2012, 21:18:01 »
What Brigade should've said was " they cannot not offer a new contract because you do not meet the position requirements ......"



I appreciate the responses.  What about an extension of my current contract until the AR process is complete?

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Re: Denied Class B Contract/Extension due to PCAT - HELP
« Reply #65 on: August 24, 2012, 22:11:50 »
I appreciate the responses.  What about an extension of my current contract until the AR process is complete?


It's about the position you are in now.  CF Mil Pers Instr 20-04 para 4.3 states:

"All reservists serving on a period of Class "B" Reserve Service shall be held against a Reserve Force Establishment position.  When the position has an expiration date, the duration of the Class "B" Reserve Service shall not extend beyond the expiration date."

So, if your current position ceases to exist on 31 Aug 12 due to the amalgamation you mentioned, then, no, you cannot be extended.
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Re: Denied Class B Contract/Extension due to PCAT - HELP
« Reply #66 on: August 27, 2012, 11:21:46 »
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Will it affect any “entitlements” if and when my 3b release comes, that I will, by then, be on class A service vice class B service?

I am pretty sure you will be on Class "Civi" Service. Release from the forces is to civi land. The only other option I can see is CIC service.

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Re: Denied Class B Contract/Extension due to PCAT - HELP
« Reply #67 on: August 27, 2012, 13:01:17 »
You'd think that after 20 years on Class B, you'd have had things sorted by now. Never knowing when the axe was going to fall, a backup plan should have been a priority.

Maybe if you'd spent those 20 years in the Regs........

I don't mean to sound crass, but 20 YEARS Cl B? I hope you have a civvie business or something going on the outside.

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Re: Denied Class B Contract/Extension due to PCAT - HELP
« Reply #68 on: August 27, 2012, 13:24:15 »
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. If you cannot meet the universality of service requirements you can't be employed. PCAT most times is release, unless you can prove you are fit for service, this would include passing an Expres/BFT test. If your injuries were caused by service you may be intitled to some benifits from DVA. Good luck.

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Re: Denied Class B Contract/Extension due to PCAT - HELP
« Reply #69 on: August 27, 2012, 15:25:50 »
You got 20 years service, you should have a good pension if you bought back.  You are being released medically and if your condition is due to service you got another pension.  IF you have not bought back and your condition is not military related, then I hope you had a plan, you certainly had the time to plan.  The military is not a charity and do not listen to all that "look after the troops" crap, it only applies to hay box line ups and unit smoker beer issues.  The rest of your career is your own problem.

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Re: Denied Class B Contract/Extension due to PCAT - HELP
« Reply #70 on: August 27, 2012, 16:26:09 »
ISSUE

I have just been informed by Brigade, that I cannot be offered a new contract or given an extension of my current contract as I am on a PCAT that potentially puts me in breach of the Universality of Service and that I have not completed an EPRES test or BFT in a number of years (as a result of my medical conditions).  I have been informed that I am not being released and that I can continue to employed on class A service.

QUESTIONS

It appears to be that the only reason I am being denied a new contract/extension is due to my “disability”.  Is this possible?  Are there not policies in place to provide for extensions until the AR process has been completed and I am either released 3b or allowed to continue employment with ‘no career restrictions”?

Will it affect any “entitlements” if and when my 3b release comes, that I will, by then, be on class A service vice class B service?

The person has come here for advice, not to be slammed for what he did or didn't do with regards to career choices!  So here is my  :2c: on your issue:

a.  you need to look at what the original duration of the Class B offer was for (ie; how many years) and whether or not it included the opportunity for an extension, straight up or otherwise.  Class B positions have to be "re-advertised" at the time of their expiry but if an extension option is indicated, the max you can serve is 6 continuous years, after which, the position MUST be re-advertised;

b.  what I find strange, is that they are going to employ you on "Class A" as opposed to releasing you outright.  Something is definitely wrong with that picture.  If you can't do Class B due to medical, then you sure as heck can't do Class A either.  You may want to go and have a chat with your local JPSU/IPSC Unit as, believe it or not, they DO look after Reserve Force personnel.  This may be your only option for extending your period of service until an AR decision is rendered.  Regretably, pers on Class B do not have the same type of job protection afforded to a member of the Regular Force.

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Re: Denied Class B Contract/Extension due to PCAT - HELP
« Reply #71 on: August 28, 2012, 20:05:14 »
DAA - thanks for your understanding of my post.

I have spoken with the IPSU and, regrettably, they were not much help with the specifics of remaining on full time service until the AR has been completed (at this time it has not even started yet). 

They were, however, helpful in providing some advice on what happens if and when I receive my 3b release, which I am grateful for.

I suppose my situation is mostly the result of "bad timing", but it would sure be nice if I could remain on "full time" service (either with and extension to my current contract or being offerred a new contract) until the AR is complete and a decision is made either way.

You also hit the nail on the head - it seems strange that they will let me continue to perform my job on class A with my current MELs, but not on class B.

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Re: Denied Class B Contract/Extension due to PCAT - HELP
« Reply #72 on: August 28, 2012, 20:08:14 »
Having a valid PT test is a requirement for class B employment is it not ?

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Re: Denied Class B Contract/Extension due to PCAT - HELP
« Reply #73 on: August 28, 2012, 20:12:55 »
It has on any contract I've been on.  Also as far as I know Class A does not require a valid fitness test.

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Re: Denied Class B Contract/Extension due to PCAT - HELP
« Reply #74 on: August 28, 2012, 20:19:37 »
Thanks - I understand all the requirements in regards to fitness testing - but my MELs currently exempt me from fitness testing.

I am not looking at getting around any of the requirements, but as I understand it, this is what the AR is suppose to determine - what the MELs mean for my career.