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Re: Imposed Restriction Question
« Reply #25 on: January 10, 2011, 13:05:19 »
I don't think you can.  The info below was taken from the CMP site.

14.5.06 Limitations - future relocation benefits
When an early IPR relocation is exercised, CF members are no longer eligible to further IPR relocation benefits or reimbursements during their current terms of service, even if future postings occur.

CF members who are posted after exercising their early IPR and do not move their (D)HG&E to their new place of duty are not entitled to:

IR benefits;
SA benefits;
PLD; and
LTA.

http://www.cmp-cpm.forces.gc.ca/dgcb-dgras/pd/rel-rei/aps-paa-2009/chapter-chapitre-14-eng.asp#art-14-05-06

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Re: Imposed Restriction Question
« Reply #26 on: January 10, 2011, 13:43:32 »
I am well aware of the rules when a service member decides to move to the new location alone.   What I want to know is this, what happens when one member of a service couple decides to take the F&E to the new location while leaving the other member at the old location.   Would the member who is left behind be entitled to IR benefits?

I have read through the orders and I can't seem to find anything written about the subject anywhere.

Married Service Couples do not go on IR.  However, when an MSC is split up (due to the exigencies of the service) the member who is separated from the F&E is entitled to separation expenses, LTA, etc.
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Re: Imposed Restriction Question
« Reply #27 on: January 10, 2011, 14:36:24 »
Married Service Couples do not go on IR.  However, when an MSC is split up (due to the exigencies of the service) the member who is separated from the F&E is entitled to separation expenses, LTA, etc.

I beg to differ.  I was on IR for my posting to Ottawa.  I had to request it from my CM.

From the DCBA Aide Memoire:

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or is part of a service couple that has been posted apart or has been posted to a new location in Canada and has been granted Imposed Restriction (IR) status
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Re: Imposed Restriction Question
« Reply #28 on: January 10, 2011, 18:43:40 »
Thanks caocao for the reply,

Only thing is I did not take an early IPR as I miss informed  the audience. The IPR was my decison and I did not use military funds for it..I paid the move since I was too many years from retirement to take advantage of it.

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Re: Imposed Restriction Question
« Reply #29 on: January 10, 2011, 20:18:43 »
Thanks caocao for the reply,

Only thing is I did not take an early IPR as I miss informed  the audience. The IPR was my decison and I did not use military funds for it..I paid the move since I was too many years from retirement to take advantage of it.

You may still not be able to request IR as it was your choice.  Check with your clerks/OR.
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Re: Imposed Restriction Question
« Reply #30 on: January 11, 2011, 00:07:22 »
I beg to differ.  I was on IR for my posting to Ottawa.  I had to request it from my CM.

From the DCBA Aide Memoire:

It looks like IR, smells like IR and is in fact, often mistakenly called IR, but is not in fact IR - that's from the folks who actually work at DCBA.  I'm surprised you had to request it from your CM.  What happens if he/she says no?  Does this force your spouse's CM to then move your spouse with you?
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Re: Imposed Restriction Question
« Reply #31 on: January 11, 2011, 00:12:27 »
I beg to differ.  I was on IR for my posting to Ottawa.  I had to request it from my CM.

From the DCBA Aide Memoire:

MSCs are not considered IR. They are considered to be Restricted Posted, but not Imposed Restricted (Imposed R implies a choice the mbr and his/her family made to be separated which is NOT the case with MSCs).

My CM cut me a message that actually said "Imposed Restriction" and we all went WTF!!?? The message was then recut for a "restricted posting". I've done 4 now, and only that 1 message (in error) was cut for an "IR" posting.

There was a message cut this past spring by NDHQ clarifying that MSC were not "IR", but rather just "restricted".
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Re: Imposed Restriction Question
« Reply #32 on: January 11, 2011, 00:17:01 »
It looks like IR, smells like IR and is in fact, often mistakenly called IR, but is not in fact IR - that's from the folks who actually work at DCBA.  I'm surprised you had to request it from your CM.  What happens if he/she says no?  Does this force your spouse's CM to then move your spouse with you?

The having to request it bit comes from IRPP ... they do it to me every single time that I am posted ... I tell them "My CM will NOT cut a message saying that "Imposed Restriction Posting is authorized" because I am 1/2 of a MSC and thus it does not apply. I then point out that my message says "Restricted" and that is good enough. The last lady that I dealt with at IRPP didn't believe that to be the case and refused to begin my claim without an "IR authorized" message from my CM ... what she did get from me instead was a copy of that widely circulated email from DCBA stating that there was NO such thing in the case of MSCs ... then my claim got done --- very quickly.  ;)
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Re: Imposed Restriction Question
« Reply #33 on: January 11, 2011, 07:59:27 »
Both of my messages stated Imposed Restriction.  I don't see how it could be considered a "choice" when one member is posted and the other is not.  At any rate, it doesn't make a difference as it amounts to the same thing, IMHO.
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Re: Imposed Restriction Question
« Reply #34 on: January 11, 2011, 09:52:19 »
Both of my messages stated Imposed Restriction.  I don't see how it could be considered a "choice" when one member is posted and the other is not. 

The lack of choice is exactly the point ArmyVern was making.  An MSC has no choice in the matter, whereas an IR is only granted when the member chooses it.  As for what your message said, I find it hard to believe that a posting message would ever have an error... ;D

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Re: Imposed Restriction Question
« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2011, 17:37:13 »
Looks like I am being posted to CFB Kingston during the 2011 APS. My family (mom and dad) minus my PNOK live there. I intend to go IR (Not sure of the process but my CoC has informed careers of my intention), would I be allowed to room with my parents ? What if my parents want to charge rent ? Have the rules changed where you must stay in SQs if available ? Would it be wiser to go out on the economy if available ?

We have himed and hawed about this and it looks like a good way to save $ and throw it against our mortgage here in Halifax, by staying with my parents.

Oh and I know the refs are available on the DIN/DWAN, but I wont have a log in for that until next week, as I am just coming off post deployment leave and the IT folks say it will take that long to get set up.
« Last Edit: January 31, 2011, 17:39:46 by Halifax Tar »
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Re: Imposed Restriction Question
« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2011, 19:46:00 »
Looks like I am being posted to CFB Kingston during the 2011 APS. My family (mom and dad) minus my PNOK live there. I intend to go IR (Not sure of the process but my CoC has informed careers of my intention), would I be allowed to room with my parents ? What if my parents want to charge rent ? Have the rules changed where you must stay in SQs if available ? Would it be wiser to go out on the economy if available ?

We have himed and hawed about this and it looks like a good way to save $ and throw it against our mortgage here in Halifax, by staying with my parents.

Oh and I know the refs are available on the DIN/DWAN, but I wont have a log in for that until next week, as I am just coming off post deployment leave and the IT folks say it will take that long to get set up.

1) You can stay with your parents and receive IR benefits as long as they are approved by your CM.  You are entitled to a certain amount, I will verify and repost the exact details tomorrow for you.

2) The process is simple, there is an application form to be filled out for IR benefits which goes up to your career manager, the form has questions regarding why you are applying for IR authority and that gets scanned and sent up for approval to the CM.

3) You still owe me a beer from the T-Dot days.   :camo:

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Re: Imposed Restriction Question
« Reply #37 on: January 31, 2011, 21:13:44 »
1) You can stay with your parents and receive IR benefits as long as they are approved by your CM.  You are entitled to a certain amount, I will verify and repost the exact details tomorrow for you.

2) The process is simple, there is an application form to be filled out for IR benefits which goes up to your career manager, the form has questions regarding why you are applying for IR authority and that gets scanned and sent up for approval to the CM.

3) You still owe me a beer from the T-Dot days.   :camo:

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Re: Imposed Restriction Question
« Reply #38 on: February 01, 2011, 21:01:01 »
Sounds like a plan my friend! And I owe you more than "a" beer lol

So here is the answer from "the gods" in Ottawa;

Good Morning;

 In actuality, he has an entitlement to $540.00/month provided his parents submit a monthly receipt, for the used of private accn, IAW Chap 2 Sect 3 para 3.3 of our Aide Memoire.  Without receipts the mbr wouldn't have entitlement to accn reimbursement> ...> ...> that's his choice.  I will make the assumption this mbr is married, and if not this doesn't apply to mbrs without dependants and you will have to call me to discuss.

 If he is married/common-law or has dependants, he is entitled entitled to 65% of the NJC Travel Directive dinner meal rate as per the same para above.

 If he is married, I would point out there is no need to request IR from the CM, as he is on unaccompanied move benefits for 6 months.  If, nearing the 6 month period the house hasn't sold, he may want to see if he qualifies for IR/SE under one of the approved criteria of CBI 209.997.

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Imposed Restriction (IR) Merged Thread
« Reply #39 on: October 06, 2011, 08:08:02 »
Hello, I need some advice...Here is my situation:
-Posted to Victoria and went on an HHT (House Hunting Trip) in July
-HHT unsuccessful
-I realized that going to Victoria on IR (Imposed Restriction) was the way I would have to go for at least 6 months or more so I looked for accommodations for myself.  I found a small one bedroom apartment close to work and within the set amount of $1600, it actually was $1500 per month.
-As per BC regs I put down half a month's rent ($700) to secure the place until I showed up and started living in it.
...All well and good right? 
Here is the kicker
-The posting was cancelled by the career shop in Ottawa due to a myriad of reasons that I had no active role in.  I did not get the news until a week before I was to drive across the country.  I had everything in place for a successful IR period, kids OK, finances in order, wife OK and had a visit schedule, etc..
My question is, How do I get that $700 back, or, is it just lost?  If I have to go through Brookfield I think I will just forget about it because they are obstinant.  Any advice is welcome.  I anticipate a fight with whomever I ask for the money back from.

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Re: Question for any Admin gods out there.
« Reply #40 on: October 06, 2011, 08:23:01 »
So the $700 was not refundable from the landlord?  Normally, if you had occupied the apartment and then moved out, the landlord is obligated to reimburse you the money if there is no significant damage to the apartment.  Since you never actually moved in, I assume that this would be the case.

More info here:  http://www.cmhc-schl.gc.ca/en/co/reho/yogureho/fash/fash_002.cfm

And possibly here:  http://apartmentguide.ca/Renters/deposit.asp
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Re: Question for any Admin gods out there.
« Reply #41 on: October 06, 2011, 08:31:26 »
Aha. At last one where I can weigh in with my civvy experience.

Since your $700 was placed as a deposit against a rental agreement where the terms were never met, you should simply draft a letter to Brookfield, and they should refund it. Their admin may take a bit of time, but they are a rather well run organization, and it shouldn't take long.
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Re: Question for any Admin gods out there.
« Reply #42 on: October 06, 2011, 08:49:08 »
Their admin may take a bit of time, but they are a rather well run organization, and it shouldn't take long.

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« Reply #43 on: October 06, 2011, 09:03:36 »
??? ::)

I know, I know. Actually BPM are a nationwide company, and they rank among the highest for residential tenancies, particularly with tenant satisfaction. I'm sure there are folks who have their issues with them....
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Re: Question for any Admin gods out there.
« Reply #44 on: October 06, 2011, 14:34:57 »
OK, So here's what I am leaning towards doing.  I will send a registered letter to BGRS (Brookfield Global Relocation Services) explaining my issue and requesting their support and reimbursement of the $700. 

Does this sound like a plan?

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Re: Question for any Admin gods out there.
« Reply #45 on: October 06, 2011, 14:36:37 »
I really don't see why you don't try the landlord or rental company first.  IIRC, they can't legally keep a security deposit.  Or did you already try them?
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Re: Question for any Admin gods out there.
« Reply #46 on: October 06, 2011, 19:14:23 »
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Their admin may take a bit of time, but they are a rather well run organization, and it shouldn't take long.

I'm intrigued --  compared to...?


To the OP, I'd say as have others, talk to the landlord first...they can probably fill the apt no probs given the vacancy (or lack thereof) rate in Vic.


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Re: Question for any Admin gods out there.
« Reply #47 on: October 06, 2011, 19:35:11 »


Does this sound like a plan?

No. The half-month you paid is not to secure the place, it is the damage deposit. The landlord should be reimbursing that to you when you cease to occupy the property ( assuming no damage). If you had a signed lease, there are penalties for breaking it ( 3 month's rent in some provinces) and THAT is also covered by IRP.

I'm a landlord in BC.........

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Re: Question for any Admin gods out there.
« Reply #48 on: October 07, 2011, 08:08:20 »
I'm intrigued --  compared to...?

Brookfield Property management is "rather well run" in comparisom to other residential property management companies. I however can't comment on their relocation services company. When East Coaster mentioned "Brookfield" I assumed he meant that they were the landlord, not the company handling the relocation, with a separate landlord being involved.

I'd advocate for contacting the landlord directly, and dealing with them.
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Re: Question for any Admin gods out there.
« Reply #49 on: October 07, 2011, 08:11:39 »
Ahh, well then, that's different.

In the CF, Brookfield Global Relocation Services is the company that does our moves.
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