Author Topic: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case  (Read 74662 times)

0 Members and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

Offline Cloud Cover

  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *****
  • 39,530
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 4,137
Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #50 on: February 12, 2019, 13:28:18 »
Of course she will.
Living the lean life

Online milnews.ca

  • Info Curator, Baker & Food Slut
  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Relic
  • *
  • 420,095
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 22,078
    • MILNEWS.ca-Military News for Canadians
Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #51 on: February 12, 2019, 13:38:40 »
I hear it's a good sign when your former lawyer gets a heavy hitting lawyer for advice on what to do with you....  :pop: :pop: :pop:
:nod:

For the record, here's the bio of the jilted lawyer's lawyer.

... show that she still possesses enough discretion and good sense to be very valuable to the CPC. She's not going to burn down the house on the way out because that impacts the CPC's risk calculation if they bring her onboard ...
I agree with your read on her calculus, but I'd be very surprised to see her move to Team Blue.  I've been wrong before, but I don't see her aching for that end of the political spectrum.  Also, if it's true that she's willing to speak the truth to Team Red power, that wouldn't necessarily change much working for Team Blue.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2019, 15:10:10 by milnews.ca »
“The risk of insult is the price of clarity.” -- Roy H. Williams

The words I share here are my own, not those of anyone else or anybody I may be affiliated with.

Tony Prudori
MILNEWS.ca - Twitter

Offline Rifleman62

    Retired.

  • Army.ca Subscriber
  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *
  • 97,930
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 3,152
Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #52 on: February 12, 2019, 13:39:07 »
Award for the best ill timed comments.

PM Trudeau in BC yesterday:
Quote
"She confirmed for me a conversation we had this fall, where I told her directly that any decisions on matters involving the director of public prosecutions were hers alone," Trudeau said Monday.

"I respect her view that, due to privilege, she can't comment or add on matters recently before the media. I also highlight that we're bound by cabinet confidentiality. In our system of governance, her presence in cabinet should speak for itself."

A couple keys that may have peeved the ex Minister - "she confirmed", "I told her directly....decisions....hers alone", "due to privilege, she can't comment",  and "we're bound by cabinet confidentially".

Then the really ill timed - "In our system of governance, her presence in cabinet should speak for itself."
Never Congratulate Yourself In Victory, Nor Blame Your Horses In Defeat - Old Cossack Expression

Online PuckChaser

  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 922,590
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 8,184
    • Peacekeeper's Homepage
Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #53 on: February 12, 2019, 13:41:07 »
Is she going to be the Michael Cohen of the North?  Time for the PMO to start tweeting "Fake News" and have some Make Corruption Great Again hats.

Michael Cohen but actually credible.

The former AG is almost beyond reproach in how she's handled the situation thus far.

Online milnews.ca

  • Info Curator, Baker & Food Slut
  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Relic
  • *
  • 420,095
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 22,078
    • MILNEWS.ca-Military News for Canadians
Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #54 on: February 12, 2019, 13:42:30 »
Then the really ill timed - "In our system of governance, her presence in cabinet should speak for itself."
For as long as said presence lasted, anyway.  #StrawThatBrokeTheCamelsBack?
“The risk of insult is the price of clarity.” -- Roy H. Williams

The words I share here are my own, not those of anyone else or anybody I may be affiliated with.

Tony Prudori
MILNEWS.ca - Twitter

Offline Brihard

  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *****
  • 229,400
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 4,678
  • Non-Electric Pop-Up Target
Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #55 on: February 12, 2019, 13:53:04 »
I agree with your read on her calculus, but I'd be very surprised to see her move to Team Blue.  I've been wrong before, but I don't see her aching for that end of the political spectrum.  Also, if it's true that she's willing to speak the truth to Team Red power, that wouldn't necessarily change much working for Team Blue.

You could be right... It'll be interesting. Scheer has a presser soon, maybe there's something coming. The house doesn't sit again til next Tuesday.

While I would understand her not being naturally inclined to the CPC, her time in government and at a senior level has probably shifted her perspective somewhat. It also depends on her personal ambition. To stay relevant in federal politics, at this point that can only mean the CPC. She's done with the LPC, there's no coming back from this. BC doesn't have a provincial election for another couple of years yet.

I think it also depends on what her read is on how the next election will go. If we're seeing the start of a pre-election LPC implosion (I'm not yet convinced we are, but she knows much more than I), she might see crossing as a necessity, in the interest of her own future, and in the interest of getting a First Nations voice solidly and prominently into the CPC.
Pacificsm is doctrine fostered by a delusional minority and by the media, which holds forth the proposition it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

Online milnews.ca

  • Info Curator, Baker & Food Slut
  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Relic
  • *
  • 420,095
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 22,078
    • MILNEWS.ca-Military News for Canadians
Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #56 on: February 12, 2019, 14:14:39 »
... she might see crossing as a necessity, in the interest of her own future, and in the interest of getting a First Nations voice solidly and prominently into the CPC.
On the bit in yellow, I keep forgetting we're talking about Homo Politicus no matter what party they're in, so future positioning is a factor.

Well, based on at least some recent events, Team Blue could use some boost in that area, especially now that anti-PMJT memes sometimes include "why aren't First Nations getting clean water?"

Here's the latest out of Team Blue on this one:
Quote
The Honourable Andrew Scheer, Leader of Canada’s Conservatives and the Official Opposition today called on Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to preserve all documents relating to the ongoing SNC-Lavalin Affair after the cabinet resignation of Jody Wilson-Raybould.

In a letter sent to Trudeau this afternoon, Scheer called on him to ensure all documents including “memos, letters, emails, pins, SMS messages, and handwritten notes” pertaining to the prosecution of SNC-Lavalin be preserved amidst the pending cabinet shuffle to replace Ms. Wilson-Raybould.

The request applies to records held by former Attorney General Jody Wilson-Raybould, Attorney General David Lametti, and senior Prime Minister’s Office officials including, but not limited to, Katie Telford, Gerald Butts, Mathieu Bouchard, and Elder Marques.

“With Ms. Wilson-Raybould’s resignation from cabinet, and a cabinet shuffle imminent, it’s absolutely imperative that Mr. Trudeau ensure the preservation of these records,” Scheer said. “Canadians deserve to know the truth around what happened and these records must be preserved.”

Scheer also said Ms. Wilson-Raybould’s resignation is a sign of a government in disarray.

“Mr. Trudeau’s ethical lapses and his disastrous handling of this latest scandal have thrown his government into chaos,” Scheer said. “He promised Canadians open and transparent government and he has betrayed that promise. Canadians deserve better.”

Click here to view the letter.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2019, 15:11:28 by milnews.ca »
“The risk of insult is the price of clarity.” -- Roy H. Williams

The words I share here are my own, not those of anyone else or anybody I may be affiliated with.

Tony Prudori
MILNEWS.ca - Twitter

Offline Cloud Cover

  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *****
  • 39,530
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 4,137
Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #57 on: February 12, 2019, 14:17:03 »
I would still wager that with all of this, the 2019 election is still for JT to lose, not for the CPC to win. She could move to an independent status, in fact she probably should, just to twist the knife a little more.
Living the lean life

Online PuckChaser

  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 922,590
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 8,184
    • Peacekeeper's Homepage
Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #58 on: February 12, 2019, 14:23:42 »
I would still wager that with all of this, the 2019 election is still for JT to lose, not for the CPC to win. She could move to an independent status, in fact she probably should, just to twist the knife a little more.

Independent does the most damage to the Trudeau Liberals. It solidifies that the decision she made was to uphold the rule of law and completely non-partisan. If she crosses the floor to any party, it can be spun as her being disgruntled at the "demotion" (I hate calling the MVA as a demotion), and therefore she shouldn't be believed.

Online Good2Golf

  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Legend
  • *
  • 213,595
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 11,104
  • Dammit! I lost my sand-wedge on that last jump!
Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #59 on: February 12, 2019, 14:30:42 »
...For the record, here's the bio of the jilted lawyer's lawyer.

Interesting excerpt from his bio regarding ‘Community Involvement’...

“ • Mentor, Trudeau Foundation”


Perhaps “• Past Mentor, Trudeau Foundation” in the future?

Regards
G2G
« Last Edit: February 12, 2019, 14:42:29 by Good2Golf »

Offline Technoviking

    DANCE TO THE TECHNOVIKING.

  • Army.ca Subscriber
  • Army.ca Legend
  • *
  • 187,851
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 12,082
  • OBEY!
Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #60 on: February 12, 2019, 14:33:32 »
(I hate calling the MVA as a demotion),
[tangent]
But it is a demotion. There are roughly 650,000 veterans in Canada.  There are roughly 36,700,000 Canadians.  That is roughly 1.77% of the general population.  It may be an important portfolio, which is why there is a cabinet minister at the top, but don't kid yourself into thinking that it's a senior cabinet post.
[/tangent]
So, there I was....

Offline Cloud Cover

  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *****
  • 39,530
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 4,137
Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #61 on: February 12, 2019, 14:35:39 »
It’s like Trump University, only sunnier.
Living the lean life

Online Petard

  • Army.ca Subscriber
  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *
  • 32,190
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 1,273
  • Once a gunner, always a gunner
Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #62 on: February 13, 2019, 15:43:25 »
I wonder why little attention has been given to why the Prosecution Service of Canada does not want to use a DPA for the SNC Lavalin case, this seems to be the crux of the latest controversy.  The only indication I could find, on why PPSC is continuing to prosecute, is in articles like the one below from last Oct. It looks like SNC’s definition of what reparations were due as part of an DPA did not meet the criminal code of Canada’s definition of it. Not long after that SNC began meeting again with PMO staff

The pattern here looks like SNC expected to dictate what the terms of the DPA were to be, didn’t get its way and sought influence with the PM. Lately the “we’re too big to fail” and the impact on jobs this has, is also being yarded out in the news. These efforts seem to be designed to steer public opinion towards a DPA that minimizes the effect on SNC’s business





https://business.financialpost.com/pmn/business-pmn/snc-lavalin-federal-prosecutors-wont-negotiate-a-deal-company-may-appeal
« Last Edit: February 13, 2019, 20:14:07 by Petard »

Offline Loachman

  • Former Army Pilot in Drag
  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 218,402
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 7,480
Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #63 on: February 13, 2019, 19:01:34 »
I cannot see this one dying down quickly. There is chum in the water, and no media outlet - including CBC and the Toronto Star - can afford to be left out of the feeding frenzy at this point.

The layout of the front page of today's Globe and Mail was quite interesting.

https://www.thewhig.com/opinion/john-ivison-just-another-day-at-the-office-for-a-government-that-looks-increasingly-grubby/wcm/428f63df-c4c0-4fa1-a03d-e15b0d3a22b9

John Ivison: Just another day at the office for a government that looks increasingly grubby

It is incontrovertible that Trudeau gave Wilson-Raybould the hook after she refused to do his bidding. Instead of doing politics differently, he has proven to be as vindictive

Published on: February 12, 2019

In the words of parody news anchor Ron Burgundy: “Boy, that escalated quickly.”

Jody Wilson-Raybould’s letter resigning from cabinet Tuesday - in which she thanked all Canadians but, conspicuously, not Prime Minister Justin Trudeau - has left the impression that we have a caricature of a government, as buffoonish and clueless as Burgundy and his news team.

Trudeau, a self-proclaimed feminist, appears to have been mansplaining when he said Wilson-Raybould’s presence in cabinet “should speak for itself.” A matter of hours later, the former justice minister tendered her resignation, which really does speak for itself. She obviously did not agree with Trudeau’s characterization of events Monday, when he said Wilson-Raybould had confirmed to him that in their conversation about SNC-Lavalin in the fall, the prime minister had told her any decision involving the director of public prosecutions was hers alone. Did Trudeau let Wilson-Raybould in on how he was going to characterize that conversation? Apparently not.

Events are rapidly spinning out of control and Trudeau looks like a prime minister who acts impetuously and fails to think through the consequences of his actions.

The Liberals clearly felt they had contained the fallout from the allegations, first reported Thursday by the Globe and Mail, that the Prime Minister’s Office pressured Wilson-Raybould to intervene in the criminal prosecution of SNC-Lavalin.

David Lametti, Wilson-Raybould’s successor as attorney general and justice minister, told the Canadian Bar Association Monday that, while he sits at a certain distance from his cabinet colleagues, he does not sit in isolation. “But there is a line that cannot be crossed. Telling the Attorney-General what a decision ought to be: that would be interference.”

Lametti believes the government in which he sits was on the right side of that line.

<snip>

Prior to Wilson-Raybould’s bombshell resignation, it was a safe bet no one would be able to prove anyone in the PMO crossed the line Lametti described.

There must have been high hopes that Wilson-Raybould would stick to the script.

After all, she had accepted another cabinet post, even while apparently being demoted for not doing her boss’s bidding on SNC.

But in her resignation letter she said she has retained retired Supreme Court justice Thomas Cromwell as counsel, seeking guidance on what she can say publicly. This affair might have been starved of oxygen without fresh information but not now.

<snip>

You don’t resign from cabinet, with its $82,000 salary top-up and chauffeur-driven car, unless you are seriously aggrieved.

https://canadanewsmedia.ca/2019/02/12/wilson-rayboulds-departure-is-a-calamity-for-trudeaus-liberals-the-globe-and-mail/

Wilson-Raybould's departure is a calamity for Trudeau's Liberals – The Globe and Mail

Published on February 12, 2019

“Government by cabinet is back,” Justin Trudeau promised on his sunny first day as Prime Minister in November, 2015. But Mr. Trudeau broke that promise. Instead, he allowed a close circle of unelected advisers to direct, control and even bully cabinet ministers and MPs alike. On Tuesday, the government paid the price. ​

Jody Wilson-Raybould’s resignation is a calamity for the Liberals. For one thing, she has made Mr. Trudeau look like a fool. Less than 24 hours earlier, he had expressed full confidence in the minister, saying “her presence in cabinet should actually speak for itself.” Her resignation hours later spoke louder.

For another, her departure is politically damaging. Past governments have been crippled by cabinet ministers who resigned in protest. Pierre Trudeau lost the next election after his finance minister, John Turner, quit over personal and policy disagreements. Brian Mulroney’s government was crippled by the defection of Lucien Bouchard after the collapse of the Meech Lake Accord.

Ms. Wilson-Raybould’s resignation could be just as damaging. For one thing, her decision appears to confirm that officials in the Prime Minister’s Office put pressure on her to cut a deal with SNC-Lavalin, which faces corruption charges, and then removed her from the Justice portfolio when she refused. This from a government that trumpets its scrupulous observance of the rule of law.

The fact that she stood up to the Prime Minister’s advisers, and was punished for it, undermines Liberal claims that women are equal and respected within the government. The resignation of the first Indigenous person to serve as justice minister also tarnishes the government’s record on Indigenous issues.

And perhaps the saddest thing of all: The next Minister of Veterans Affairs will be the fourth appointed by this government, underscoring the low value placed on the portfolio, and on the needs of veterans.

Ms. Wilson-Raybould would certainly have been effective, had she remained in her new job. As justice minister, she implemented two of this government’s most important achievements: assisted-dying legislation, and the legalization of marijuana. (While important to some, those are hardly important in real terms so, really, not much has been achieved at all - Loachman)

<snip>

We are only at the beginning of this affair. The reason for Ms. Raybould-Wilson’s resignation will crowd every other item off the political agenda for who-knows-how-long. The standing committee on Justice simply must take up the issue when it meets on Wednesday. If it doesn’t, if the Liberal MPs on the committee obstruct an investigation, that will only reinforce the impression that they are under the thumb of the PMO.

We are so far from Mr. Trudeau’s promise to reverse decades of ever-greater concentration of power in the Prime Minister’s Office. “Actually, it can be traced as far back as my father, who kicked it off in the first place,” Mr. Trudeau told the CBC’s Peter Mansbridge during the election campaign. “I actually quite like the symmetry of me being the one who ends that.”

“As you can imagine, I took a strong interest in that commitment,” said Donald Savoie, a political scientist at University of Moncton who has written extensively on the concentration of power within government. “If anything he has strengthened governing from the Centre,” he said in an e-mail exchange.

From the start, Mr. Trudeau’s advisers, especially his principal secretary and close personal friend, Gerald Butts, exercised tight control over a cabinet filled with rookies, including Ms. Wilson-Raybould. Few ministers were willing to stand up to the directives that routinely came their way from the PMO.

But Ms. Wilson-Raybould earned a reputation for pushing back. She is strong-willed, accustomed to getting her way and impossible to bully. Her unwillingness to defer in the SNC-Lavalin affair may have led to her demotion from Justice to Veterans Affairs and ultimately to her resignation.

https://www.thestar.com/opinion/editorials/2019/02/12/the-damage-already-done-by-jody-wilson-rayboulds-resignation.html

The damage already done by Jody Wilson-Raybould’s resignation

By Star Editorial Board Tues., Feb. 12, 2019

When the history of our political times is written, the decision last month to take the prestigious justice ministry from Jody Wilson-Raybould may go down as the Trudeau government’s most calamitous mistake.

<snip>

This self-inflicted bungle undermines the government’s professed principles and values all along the line. There is undoubtedly more to come in this affair, but consider the damage that has already been inflicted:

- Trudeau’s image as a feminist leader is shaken. Allowing unidentified Liberals to undermine Wilson-Raybould’s credibility by talking trash about her was bound to be seen as sexist — even among other Liberals. Not a good look for this famously female-friendly prime minister.

- The government’s claim to make Indigenous issues a top priority has also taken a huge hit. Sidelining an Indigenous woman was hugely symbolic. Her father, a hereditary First Nations chief in British Columbia, says she was “kicked in the teeth” when she was ousted from justice. Other First Nations leaders there denounce the language used about her as “racist and sexist.” That hurts.

- Trudeau’s promise back in 2015 to junk the old politics of backroom dealing is looking decidedly faded. Could there be anything more old-style than a big, well-connected Quebec company angling behind the scenes for favourable treatment in a messy legal affair? Yet that’s exactly what SNC-Lavalin was by all accounts busy doing last year while Wilson-Raybould was justice minister and attorney general.

- Likewise, the Liberals’ promise to run a more open government and break the grip of the Prime Minister’s Office hasn’t aged at all well. The central allegation in this affair is that Wilson-Raybould came under undue pressure from the PMO to give SNC-Lavalin a break and suffered the political consequences when she proved insufficiently flexible.

- Worst of all, the suspicion of political interference, or even a botched attempt at political interference, in an important legal matter raises questions about the government’s claim to uphold the rule of law.

<snip>

Likewise, the prime minister should be prepared to answer questions and should authorize his senior officials to do the same before a parliamentary committee. On Tuesday he proclaimed that the government “did its job” and followed the rules in the SNC-Lavalin affair. If the government truly believes it did nothing wrong, it should welcome a chance to clear the air. And with the clock ticking down to an election, better to get to it as soon as possible.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4955235/jody-wilson-raybould-liberal-support/

Some Liberals boost Jody Wilson-Raybould after she resigned from cabinet

By Jesse Ferreras

February 13, 2019 12:28 am

Some Liberal MPs are showing support and even praising ex-justice and veterans affairs minister Jody Wilson-Raybould after she announced her resignation from cabinet on Tuesday.

<snip>

Treasury Board President Jane Philpott tweeted praise for Wilson-Raybould on Tuesday night, saying that she “taught me so much - particularly about Indigenous history, rights and justice.”

Philpott said she was “proud of the laws that we worked on together.”

<snip>

John McCallum, a former Liberal cabinet minister whom Prime Minister Justin Trudeau fired as ambassador to China in January, sent along his own praise for both Wilson-Raybould and Philpott.

<snip>

Whitby MP Celina Caesar-Chavannes, meanwhile, has shown clear support for Wilson-Raybould.

She supported her when The Globe and Mail reported that the Prime Minister’s Office (PMO) asked Wilson-Raybould to cut a deal and help Quebec engineering giant SNC-Lavalin avoid a trial on corruption and fraud charges.

Trudeau said the allegations in that story were false.

"As someone on the inside, who knows @Puglaas, I can tell you that she is fierce, smart and unapologetic. When women speak up and out, they are always going to be labelled. Go ahead. Label away. We are not going anywhere. #IAmWithHer #StandUp #ISeeYou https://t.co/BQWeiitn9R"

- MP Celina 🇨🇦 (@MPCelina) February 11, 2019

https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/snc-lavalin-1.5016947

The SNC-Lavalin affair offers the bingo of betrayed Liberal commitments: Robyn Urback

It has shown the government to be as cynical, partisan and calculating as its predecessors

Robyn Urback CBC News Posted: Feb 13, 2019 4:00 AM ET

The destructive power of the SNC-Lavalin scandal - of which we appear to still be in the early stages - lies in its sheer comprehensiveness. It is not simply an indictment of the Liberals' professed commitment to transparency. Or of the illusion of a shift away from Harper-era "self-serving" partisanship. Or of the Trudeau government's prophetic waxing about the principles of feminism, goodness and positivity.

It is, rather, all of those things: A bingo of betrayed commitments, wrapped in a package of a classic Liberal scandal.The Prime Minister's Office is alleged to have pressured the attorney general to drop the criminal prosecution of a Quebec engineering company steeped in scandal and facing fraud and corruption charges. Hello, old friend. Haven't seen you in a while.

<snip>

But the SNC-Lavalin affair, convoluted and esoteric as it may be, cuts to the core of the Liberals' central promise from back in 2015: That this government would be different in specific, measurable ways. It just takes one clumsy scandal to demonstrate the extent to which that has not happened.

<snip

Here's what we know, up until this point: The government used a shady tactic it swore it wouldn't use to pass a legislative change at the behest of an influential Quebec corporation - a corporation, it should be noted, that previously broke the law in order to funnel money disproportionately to the Liberal Party.

<snip>

In any case, Trudeau backed the Liberal machine over Wilson-Raybould himself on Tuesday, suggesting that if she felt pressure over conversations about SNC-Lavalin, she should have approached him herself. This is obviously another go at misdirection: The issue is not why she didn't report the pressure, but why she was subjected to it in the first place.

A solid effort, and one that fits well with a government that has proven itself to be just as cynical, partisan and calculating as its predecessors. One that works in the interests of a tainted global corporation, buries a legislative change in a once-maligned tool, locks down communication to control the message, and tolerates - even participates in - the railroading of a former cabinet member's reputation.

This is a scandal at its most comprehensive. The Liberals promised to be different; SNC-Lavalin is all the reasons they are not.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/committee-justice-snc-lavalin-wilson-raybould-1.5017184

Commons justice committee to probe SNC-Lavalin affair - but Liberals limit witness list

The Liberals, who hold the majority on the Commons committee, want to draft a witness list in private

John Paul Tasker CBC News Posted: Feb 13, 2019 7:57 AM ET

Liberal members of the Commons justice committee have agreed to study the SNC-Lavalin affair that has Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's government under a cloud — clearing the way for a parliamentary probe into whether his office exerted influence over plans for a criminal prosecution of the Quebec-based engineering firm.

While Liberal MPs backed an investigation, they disagreed with opposition MPs on the committee over how wide-reaching such an inquiry should be, and who should be asked to appear.

Conservative and NDP members banded together to demand that Trudeau's most senior adviser, Gerald Butts, and Jody Wilson-Raybould - the former Justice minister at the heart of this affair - be added to the committee's proposed witness list. The Liberal members voted in a bloc against a motion from NDP MP Nathan Cullen to do just that.

That doesn't mean those two people will be spared parliamentary scrutiny - but it now falls to the Liberal majority on the committee to decide whether they will ever be called to give their side of the SNC-Lavalin story.

<snip>

The Liberal MPs on the justice committee insisted today they were acting independently of the Prime Minister's Office in agreeing to a study but limiting its scope. Opposition members weren't buying it.

"It's a cover-up and it's becoming clearer by the day," Conservative MP Michael Cooper said, calling his Liberal colleagues on the committee "nothing more than agents of the PMO."

Liberal members, meanwhile, said partisan grandstanding by the opposition MPs was a stunt designed to embarrass the prime minister.

Liberal MP Iqra Khalid went after a Conservative social media campaign aimed at getting members of the public to pressure Liberal MPs on the committee to study the matter, calling it "bullying." Khalid said the opposition was making "a lot of hay out of ... nothing substantiated."

Cullen and Conservative MP Lisa Raitt said the severity of the allegations detailed in the initial Globe and Mail report, and Wilson-Raybould's subsequent resignation from cabinet, demand a thorough view by Parliament.

"If you want to alleviate the suspicions of Canadians ... allow Ms. Wilson-Raybould to come forward, allow the principal secretary to come forward, allow Mathieu Bouchard, who met 50 times with SNC-Lavalin, to come forward," Cullen said. Bouchard is Trudeau's Quebec adviser.

"It baffles me that my Liberal colleagues have seen what has transpired over the last six days and they say, 'Nothing untoward here.' Clearly, Ms. Wilson-Raybould should be called to appear before this committee."

Offline Cloud Cover

  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *****
  • 39,530
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 4,137
Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #64 on: February 13, 2019, 19:19:46 »
-"Conservative and NDP members banded together to demand that Trudeau's most senior adviser, Gerald Butts, and Jody Wilson-Raybould - the former Justice minister at the heart of this affair - be added to the committee's proposed witness list. The Liberal members voted in a bloc against a motion from NDP MP Nathan Cullen to do just that."

So he slithers out again.
Living the lean life

Offline Remius

  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *****
  • 113,070
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 3,413
Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #65 on: February 13, 2019, 19:21:27 »
I’ve mentioned before that most incidents involving Trudeau and the LPC have not really been earth shattering but this last one is a big one. One that might bring those other incidents into a larger context.
Optio

Online Chris Pook

  • Army.ca Subscriber
  • Army.ca Legend
  • *
  • 207,355
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 12,726
  • Wha daur say Mass in ma lug!
Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #66 on: February 13, 2019, 19:54:37 »
Thanks for that Loachman.

This caught my eye.

Quote
John McCallum, a former Liberal cabinet minister whom Prime Minister Justin Trudeau fired as ambassador to China in January, sent along his own praise for both Wilson-Raybould and Philpott.

John McCallum - a well-seasoned old trooper that should know his way around.  I can't imagine him being anything other than loyal - unless he was seriously miffed.

Is it beyond the realm of possibility that he, too, is a victim of the PMO: ordered to float a lead balloon on China and then knifed when it didn't fly? 

John McCallum.  Add him to the list of Warren Kinsella, Stephen LeDrew, Jane Philpott and Wayne Long (MP for St John - Elsie Wayne's old constituency and home of the shuttered Irving shipyard that built the frigates Davie didn't build and home of the Irving Oil refinery due to receive Alberta oil from the Energy East pipeline cancelled by Quebec).

What happens when your man doesn't stay bought?

"Wyrd bið ful aræd"

Offline Loachman

  • Former Army Pilot in Drag
  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 218,402
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 7,480
Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #67 on: February 13, 2019, 21:28:07 »
From my earliest post on this thread:

What I’ve noticed is that when I have been bluntly critical of Trudeau’s PMO, no Liberal in Canada, outside the PMO, has reached out to criticize me, to gently try to correct perceptions, or otherwise to suggest I’m off-track. In fact, in a large number of cases, the response has been quite the opposite. I hear things like “Thank God” and “About time” and “I’ve been loving those columns.

That’s all very anecdotal and personal and back-patting, so I’m sorry for all of it. But the conclusion I draw is: Justin Trudeau’s senior PMO staff doesn’t have a lot of fans, even among people who wish Trudeau well and whose personal futures are bound up with his. That may start to matter a lot now.

Somebody's fan club may be starting to crumble.

Knives may not be out yet, but some may have been loosened in their sheaths.

Offline Rifleman62

    Retired.

  • Army.ca Subscriber
  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *
  • 97,930
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 3,152
Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #68 on: February 13, 2019, 21:33:27 »
Importantly, the Liberals on the Committee voted, against a motion by the opposition, that all proceeding in this matter will be in-camera.


Quote
In camera records
In camera records include, for example, transcripts of in camera meetings, draft reports or documents prepared for or distributed at an in camera meeting, or any document referring to in camera parliamentary proceedings or documents from which the proceedings at an in camera meeting may be deduced. Consent to the disclosure of these records should never be given by House officials. Moreover, the disclosure of in camera materials constitutes a breach of the privilege of the House, and could lead to a finding of contempt of Parliament.  Accordingly, House officials should indicate, in such cases, that the House objects to the disclosure of such documents.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2019, 21:41:22 by Rifleman62 »
Never Congratulate Yourself In Victory, Nor Blame Your Horses In Defeat - Old Cossack Expression

Offline daftandbarmy

  • Army.ca Legend
  • *****
  • 245,165
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 13,732
  • The Older I Get, The Better I Was
Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #69 on: February 13, 2019, 21:50:03 »
From my earliest post on this thread:

Somebody's fan club may be starting to crumble.

Knives may not be out yet, but some may have been loosened in their sheaths.

“Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He [or she] thinks too much: such men [or women] are dangerous”  :nod:

―  William Shakespeare,  Julius Caesar
"The most important qualification of a soldier is fortitude under fatigue and privation. Courage is only second; hardship, poverty and want are the best school for a soldier." Napoleon

Offline Rifleman62

    Retired.

  • Army.ca Subscriber
  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *
  • 97,930
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 3,152
Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #70 on: February 13, 2019, 21:51:50 »
https://nationalpost.com/opinion/john-ivison-justice-committee-becomes-a-farce-not-seen-since-liberal-sponsorship-scandal?video_autoplay=true

John Ivison: Justice committee becomes a farce not seen since Liberal sponsorship scandal - 13 Feb 19
    One Liberal MP said that, since there is no hard evidence of wrongdoing, it would be a mistake to invite 'random people' — like
       Wilson-Raybould — as witnesses


Former prime minister Jean Chrétien is said to have told his cabinet the story of a farmer covered in cow dung. The farmer knew that if he tried to wipe the manure away when it was still fresh, he would spread it around and make it worse. Instead, he waited until it dried and then brushed it away. The anecdote came to mind watching the Liberal members of the justice committee buy the prime minister precious time to allow the hurricane of feculence soiling his reputation to pass before trying to clean it up.

Liberal committee members claimed they wanted nothing more than to reassure Canadians that their justice system is not only intact, but robust, in light of allegations that the Prime Minister’s Office intervened inappropriately with the office of the then attorney-general, Jody Wilson-Raybould, over the corruption prosecution of Quebec engineering giant, SNC-Lavalin.

Yet that enthusiasm did not prevent all five Liberals from voting against an amendment that called for the key players in the saga to appear before them as witnesses. It was a shameless display of sucking and blowing. The Liberals — Randy Boissonnault, Ali Ehsassi, Colin Fraser, Iqra Khalid and Ron McKinnon — backed their own motion that called on the committee to consider the arcane points of law involved in the case — the concept of remediation deals for errant corporations and the principles of the Shawcross doctrine that guides the relationship between the attorney general and his or her cabinet colleagues.

Pierre Poilievre, the Conservative provocateur-in-chief, said what the Liberals appeared to want was a “legal symposium.” The Liberal motion also called for the appearance of three witnesses — the current attorney general David Lametti; the clerk of the Privy Council Michael Wernick; and, the senior bureaucrat in the justice department, Nathalie Drouin.

NDP MP Nathan Cullen was first to point out that it was “more than interesting” that Wilson-Raybould was not among the witnesses the Liberals suggested calling. “We can’t reassure Canadians because we don’t know what happened yet,” he said. “I don’t want a seven-month expedition into the deepest bowels of Canadian law.” He proposed an amendment that added the names of Wilson-Raybould and two high-ranking advisers in the Prime Minister’s Office, Gerald Butts and Mathieu Bouchard, to the list of witnesses.

However, the Liberal members combined to defeat it, on the grounds that the justice committee has always discussed its witness list in camera. The committee is “not an investigative body,” said Boissonnault. “We don’t have the tools, the budget or the mechanisms to go on the type of fishing expedition or witch-hunt the Conservatives would like to see. It was as cynical a subversion of the public interest to narrow partisan concerns as Parliament Hill has seen since the public accounts committee descended into farce during the sponsorship scandal a decade and a half ago.As Cullen pointed out: “Of course committees have the power to investigate — we can subpoena witnesses. It’s just a question of whether we want to use it.”

Liberal MP Ehsassi was at least honest when he laid out his position — that in his personal opinion, “there is nothing to be concerned about.” He said the Liberal members had “checked our partisan hats at the door” and the real problem was the “political dynamic on the other side.” The committee allowed for a certain amount of grandstanding from the opposition members.

A government in total chaos

Poilievre called Justin Trudeau “despicable and cowardly” for attacking Wilson-Raybould, “who is legally incapable of defending herself.”
The opposition deputy leader, Lisa Raitt, said the Trudeau Liberals constitute “a government in total chaos.” But at least she got to the nub of the issue — that someone in the Prime Minister’s Office is alleged to have applied pressure on the attorney general to overrule the director of public prosecutions, Kathleen Roussel, in the SNC-Lavalin case. Raitt said the committee’s job was to find out what form the pressure took and who applied it.

The Conservatives had put forward a motion that called on the committee to invite nine witnesses — Wilson-Raybould; Butts; Bouchard; Lametti; Roussel; Wernick; Wilson-Raybould’s former chief of staff, Jessica Prince; Trudeau’s chief of staff, Katie Telford; and his senior adviser, Elder Marques — and report back no later than Feb. 28.

Needless to say, that didn’t fly with Liberal committee members who were remarkably incurious about what these additional witnesses might contribute. Liberal MP McKinnon said that, since there is no hard evidence of any wrongdoing, it would be a mistake to invite “random people” as witnesses as part of a fishing expedition. It’s as well Leonardo di Vinci was not a Liberal committee member or the Renaissance might never have happened.

Conservative MP Michael Cooper said Canadians deserve to be reassured that the Prime Minister’s Office did not try to intervene in a criminal prosecution, but that the Liberal motion did little to offer that reassurance. “The only conclusion I can draw is that there is no interest in getting to the bottom of this matter,” he said. Khalid said that she and her colleagues were independent and had not been influenced in any way to back the motion. “I stand by the integrity of this committee,” she said.

There remained the prospect of additional witness — Lametti, Wernick and Drouin were named only because they had already agreed to appear, she said. That sparked the Conservatives to ask who had invited them, to which Boissonnault conceded: “My colleagues in government …” It emerged the government House leader’s office had co-ordinated the invitations. So much for independence; so much for integrity.

The Liberal attempt to drag out the proceedings was as blatant as it was unconvincing. There was a particular irony in their enthusiasm to study the workings of remediation deals now that the provision has already passed into law. It was noted that the justice committee did not have the chance to examine the legislation when it was snuck into the budget implementation bill last year and rammed through the finance committee.

I have argued in recent columns that the interactions between the Prime Minister’s Office and the attorney general, on the available evidence, likely fell short of interference. After the abject performance of the Liberals on the justice committee, I’m not so sure. Trudeau is sunk in the mire and it’s getting messy.
Never Congratulate Yourself In Victory, Nor Blame Your Horses In Defeat - Old Cossack Expression

Offline Hamish Seggie

  • Army.ca Legend
  • *****
  • 225,002
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 10,268
  • This is my son Michael, KIA Afghanistan 3 Sep 08
Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #71 on: February 13, 2019, 22:01:30 »
Question:  has the CEO of SNC Lavallin been arrested and tossed in jail?
Freedom Isn't Free   "Never Shall I Fail My Brothers"

“Do everything that is necessary and nothing that is not".

Offline Loachman

  • Former Army Pilot in Drag
  • Directing Staff
  • Army.ca Fixture
  • *
  • 218,402
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 7,480
Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #72 on: February 13, 2019, 22:02:30 »
Another point of view on what initially triggered this whole mess:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/opinion/libya-snc-1.5014939

I bribed the Libyans. It's how things work in hopelessly corrupt countries: Neil Macdonald

'Baksheesh' is a lubricant. Either you pay it, or you don't get things done. Period.

Neil Macdonald CBC News Posted: Feb 12, 2019 4:00 AM ET

At the risk of drawing the pitiless attention of Canada's public prosecutor, I'm going to go ahead and admit that I have bribed foreign officials. Lots of foreign officials.

In fact, I should probably stand in the same courtroom dock as SNC-Lavalin. The Quebec engineering firm is accused of having bribed Libyan officials in order to do business in that hopelessly corrupt country. Well, so have I.

Back in 2011, after a long drive across Egypt, I and a CBC crew basically entered Libya illegally. A civil war had erupted, Moammar Gadhafi was sending his military against his own citizens, and in the country's rebellious eastern sector, the visa requirement had suddenly evaporated, as long as you were willing to slip some baksheesh into the clutching hands of Libyan officials staffing the clogged border crossing at El Salloum, near Tobruk.

I suppose I could have gotten up on my hind legs and proclaimed that I am a Canadian, and we Canadians are concerned about rule of law, and do not abet foreign corruption by paying bribes, but I didn't. I had to get to Benghazi, so I paid.

Having worked in the Middle East for several years, I regard baksheesh as the lubricant it is. Either you pay it, or you don't get anything done. It's about that simple.

More at link above

Online Petard

  • Army.ca Subscriber
  • Army.ca Veteran
  • *
  • 32,190
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 1,273
  • Once a gunner, always a gunner
Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #73 on: February 13, 2019, 23:04:40 »
Neil Macdonald missed the mark entirely why SNC was not given "a deal", it's because they would not agree to making reparations that would meet the Criminal Code definition of them as part of a remediation agreement, had they it is very likely this would've gone away and no one the wiser. 

His contention that SNC was just doing what everyone does in Middle East, and not endemic of the company's ethics itself, doesn't hold up when you look at this story. They're claiming most of the old guard involved with those acts are gone, and they've cleaned house, yet remain unwilling to pay what was due as part of a DPA for the Libya bribery and fraud charges, so it seems  that some of that "old curved ethics thinking" remains.
https://business.financialpost.com/news/snc-lavalin-faces-criminal-probe-over-montreal-bridge-contract-documents-reveal#comments-area
« Last Edit: February 13, 2019, 23:10:03 by Petard »

Offline Ostrozac

  • Sr. Member
  • *****
  • 32,220
  • Rate Post
  • Posts: 719
Re: Alleged PMO obstruction in SNC Lavalin case
« Reply #74 on: February 13, 2019, 23:30:54 »
Question:  has the CEO of SNC Lavallin been arrested and tossed in jail?

The former CEO pled guilty to a bribery charge just a couple of weeks ago, but according to the press coverage it looks like he's serving house arrest rather than prison time.