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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM)-NCM to Officer [MERGED]
« Reply #1250 on: May 17, 2018, 16:50:48 »
The RCEME NCMs CM brief for this year had a slide about in service selection and listed that for UTPNCM last year there were almost 300 applications for 156 positions. Anyone can go look at this as its on DWAN on any of the 4 RCEME trades occupation info. No particular mention of any individual trade.

The BPSO in my selection year mentioned that Log is one of the most sought after positions. 16 applicants for 15 spots makes no sense....maybe 16 from that base would be more accurate?



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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM)-NCM to Officer [MERGED]
« Reply #1251 on: May 17, 2018, 17:35:19 »
Which piece was it if you do not mind me asking?

It was a written test on communication.

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM)-NCM to Officer [MERGED]
« Reply #1252 on: May 17, 2018, 17:37:03 »
It was a written test on communication.

I ha e never heard of that for any trade. There is a personality test (Maybe all officer) required for some trades. Your BPSO should have given you that information. You could file a grievance but next years selection will be faster...


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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM)-NCM to Officer [MERGED]
« Reply #1253 on: May 17, 2018, 18:03:32 »
It was a written test on communication.

Guessing it was the one for PAO?

Either way that sucks. PSO should've been more on the ball...


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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM)-NCM to Officer [MERGED]
« Reply #1254 on: May 17, 2018, 20:10:30 »
I found out from an insider that I did not make the cut for two of my trades I was competing for. I inquired about the third trade and was told that a mandatory piece of the application was not completed, so I was ineligible from meriting on that board. To add insult to injury, I was told that it would have been my most competitive option (not a guaranteed win, but a chance), had I completed the final piece.

I had never heard of that piece of the application and I don't know if I have any options aside from waiting another year and competing again. Has this happened to anybody? Anyone have suggestions for moving forward?


I have no idea what you're talking about, but if it was not your fault I would submit a grievance. If it was your fault, reapply next year and get all prerequisite completed on time.

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM)-NCM to Officer [MERGED]
« Reply #1255 on: May 17, 2018, 20:37:37 »

I have no idea what you're talking about, but if it was not your fault I would submit a grievance. If it was your fault, reapply next year and get all prerequisite completed on time.

I had no idea about the test. I would assume the PSO should have told me. I am pretty familiar with policy and it took me a bit of digging to verify the necessity of the test, but maybe it was my responsibility to ask for the test to be administered? Even if the grievance was found it my favour I’m not sure what type of result would come of it. I’m not out to get anybody in trouble, I’m just disappointed that it feels like I wasted this year’s competition.

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM)-NCM to Officer [MERGED]
« Reply #1256 on: May 17, 2018, 20:39:20 »
Pretty sure they are talking about the additional testing for a PAffO application.

From experience this year, if the PSO doesn't mention it (i.e. get you to do it) you wouldn't even know it's required.

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM)-NCM to Officer [MERGED]
« Reply #1257 on: May 18, 2018, 07:09:54 »
I put in for PAO this year as well. The Test is the Written Communication Proficiency Test. So long as you pass it your file goes to the board, if it's incomplete or you fail then your file stops immediately.

Hoping to see a message soon one way or another. Hopeful, but there were only 2 UTP spots open for it last year; so time will tell.

I'm assuming those selected would know by now, but we'll see what happens!

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM)-NCM to Officer [MERGED]
« Reply #1258 on: May 18, 2018, 09:03:48 »
According to PSO office (as of this morning), there have been no UTP offers through Trenton yet. There was an Ottawa conference stipulated as a delay for the cutting of messages, they are expecting them by the end of May.

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM)-NCM to Officer [MERGED]
« Reply #1259 on: May 18, 2018, 09:10:12 »
According to PSO office (as of this morning), there have been no UTP offers through Trenton yet. There was an Ottawa conference stipulated as a delay for the cutting of messages, they are expecting them by the end of May.

Thanks for that. I'm in Trenton as well (2 air mov)

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM)-NCM to Officer [MERGED]
« Reply #1260 on: May 19, 2018, 10:48:46 »
The RCEME NCMs CM brief for this year had a slide about in service selection and listed that for UTPNCM last year there were almost 300 applications for 156 positions. Anyone can go look at this as its on DWAN on any of the 4 RCEME trades occupation info. No particular mention of any individual trade.

The BPSO in my selection year mentioned that Log is one of the most sought after positions. 16 applicants for 15 spots makes no sense....maybe 16 from that base would be more accurate?



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Unfortunately, I'm leaning towards you being correct. Terrible to hear that 'you've got really good odds' but find out those odds are only against Halifax, vice all of Canada.

I apologize to you, MasterInstructor, regarding my earlier postings. It seems at this point it's still a waiting game. I wish you the best of luck, in either this selection or your plans going forward.

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM)-NCM to Officer [MERGED]
« Reply #1261 on: May 19, 2018, 15:15:25 »
Hey guys, new to this topic but i figured i'd throw my  :2c: into the frey. We have had two offers that i know of in Bagotville, both for LogO Air, them both being to myself and a colleague of mine in the same unit. Both of us have been accepted on our first tries, with both of us have similar "statistics", being 93rd percentile CFAT scores, 4.07 GPA (not sure what his grades are) with 10 university courses, and neither of us being MCPL or PLQ qualified. He received his two weeks ago whereas i received mine just this Friday. He initially received an offer for RMC and almost immediately received a second one for civilian university, whereas mine was initially on only for civy uni. Another friend of mine (same unit) is still waiting for his, but he applied for PSO. If you have any questions please don't hesitate, but i'm not sure i'll be able to help you too too much. I only posted to give anyone who's still waiting some solace that messages are still coming in.

Take care.

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM)-NCM to Officer [MERGED]
« Reply #1262 on: May 19, 2018, 21:35:02 »
If you received yours this friday, there is still hope! Étrangement, i also have 93 percentile, 10 courses done with similar results, cpl.. lol!

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM)-NCM to Officer [MERGED]
« Reply #1263 on: May 19, 2018, 23:09:43 »
Just wondering.. The 10 courses you took, were they related to your degree? Were they core/related to major?

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM)-NCM to Officer [MERGED]
« Reply #1264 on: May 20, 2018, 08:51:04 »
Mine are part of a Bachelor of administration.

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM)-NCM to Officer [MERGED]
« Reply #1265 on: May 20, 2018, 17:20:47 »
Yes. I essentially completed a certificate (minor) in business administration, not sure how important the type of courses taken is in the process, but I can't figure it's all that important. I'm thinking grades might be more pertinent, but that's pure speculation on my part, all I know is that even if they are or aren't taken into account, they should only affect the score of your interview portion.

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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM)-NCM to Officer [MERGED]
« Reply #1266 on: May 20, 2018, 23:02:28 »
CFAT=60%     Experience(Interview) & Leadership Experience/CO's Reference=25%   Personality Test=15%

That is your breakdown.  The CFAT score is the single BIGGEST factor in selection.  Your courses and marks are important but not super important.  If you have a CFAT in the 90th+ percentile you have a very good chance of being selected depending on what you are applying for and the number of applicants.  Don't be discouraged though if you aren't that high as I got in with a much much lower score than that and still beat out at least 1 person for a position.  Just keep doing everything you can to increase your experience in that direction and make yourself as useful as possible to your unit so you get a good reference.

Another tip is to apply to as many trades as possible.  It is all about breaking the Officer barrier.  It is much easier to become an Officer off the street than it is to be a serving member which is ridiculous but that's the way it is.  Once you are an Officer you have new options within the system and you can try and transfer through voluntary transfer or you may be able to compulsory transfer if you fail out of training(not advisable way to do it but it has been done).  Don't think just because you fail once that they will show you the door back to the NCM world.  Once you are in they will do what they can to keep you but that being said you aren't immune to being punted.

I'm not going to lie, getting into the Officer world was the single best decision I've made in my career.  One thing I have noticed on this thread is that is some information being shared is not necessarily true.  Take it upon yourself to educate yourself about policy and the various programs pertaining to commissioning.  Its all out there you just have to weed through the DIN and find it.  It is very time consuming but don't waste too much time on it beyond what I mention about CFAT and PD.

The SIP numbers are merely an indicator.  They are not hard numbers.  The numbers can be changed for any number of reasons.  Don't put too much into them.  Just focus on improving your CFAT and doing as much PD as possible to make yourself a better candidate while you wait around.  Try not to think too much about when your offer will or won't come as it will eat you alive reading the comments of others.  Quite honestly just forget about it for the time being and if you haven't heard anything by July than chances are you weren't selected and you need to contact your CM to confirm.

Being an Officer is not the end-all be-all to life so keep doing well in your current occupation in-case things don't work out for you.  If being an Officer is your end-all be-all and you aren't getting in than just release and get back in as an Officer.  You will be closer to the top of the pile with your experience than most other people off the street.  For the most part the CAF is screaming for Officers from many different trades.

I wish you all the best of luck and I hope you get whatever it is that makes you happy.  If you get in the program is unreal good as there is virtually no supervision/oversight and you will enjoy the school life and your classmates are super jealous of you that you are paid to go to school.  Especially if you already have alot of credits as you are living on easy street only having to take bare minimum amount of courses per term.  Another reason to keep doing more courses while you wait!




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Re: University Training Plan NCM (UTPNCM)-NCM to Officer [MERGED]
« Reply #1267 on: Yesterday at 17:05:53 »
Just wondering if anyone had heard on the status of SCP  offers? It seems to be getting late, but last I talked to BPSO they had only two messages for UTPNCM.