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Ships and Units
« on: February 05, 2007, 21:07:13 »
6 Feb 1943: HMCS Louisbourg
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Re: Ships and Units
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2007, 21:12:38 »
The Sailor’s Psalm

They that go down to the sea in ships
and occupy their business in great waters;
these men see the works of the Lord and His wonders in the deep.
For at His word the stormy wind ariseth which lifteth up the waters thereof.
They are carried up to heaven and down again to the deep;
their soul melteth away because of the trouble.
They reel to and fro, and stagger like a drunken man, and are at their wits’ end.

So when they cry unto the Lord in their trouble,
He delivereth them out of their distress.
For He maketh the storm to cease so that the waves thereof are still.
Then are they glad because they are at rest;
and so He bringeth them unto the haven where they would be.


(Psalm 107, verses 23-30)

 
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Re: Ships and Units
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2007, 21:29:54 »

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Re: Ships and Units
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2008, 08:19:10 »


Leaving a UK port, just prior to a hasty and partial refit (in Londonderry) to prepare for Op. Torch in Feb 43.
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Re: Ships and Units
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2008, 09:20:30 »
LOUISBURG's Captain, LCdr W.F Campbell, RCNVR
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Re: Ships and Units
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2010, 09:02:04 »


HMCS Louisburg: sunk by enemy torpedo bombers during OP Torch, 43 officers and men listed as "missing, presumed killed in action at sea," 6 Feb 43.
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Re: Ships and Units
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2010, 09:41:27 »
HMCS Louisburg: sunk by enemy torpedo bombers during OP Torch, 43 officers and men listed as "missing, presumed killed in action at sea," 6 Feb 43.

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/3185/louisburg.pdf
http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/7370/louisburg1.pdf
http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/169/louisburg2.pdf
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/5373/louisburg3.pdf

In memory of all those who never came back, and to those who waited in vain for them to return from the sea:
http://www.navyband.navy.mil/Sounds/eternalfather.mp3

"The Halifax Memorial is one of those erected by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission to commemorate men and women of the forces of the Commonwealth who died in both world wars and have no known grave. It commemorates particularly those Canadian sailors, merchant seamen, soldiers and nursing sisters who lost their lives at sea, and also bears the names of men of the Canadian Army stationed in Canada who have no known grave. The memorial commemorates 274 casualties of the first world war (on panels one to three) and 2,847 from the Second World War (panels four to twenty-three). The present memorial is a replacement built in 1967. It was unveiled in November of that year, with naval ceremony, by H.P. MacKeen, Lieutenant-Governor of Nova Scotia, in the presence of R, Teillet, Minister of Veterans Affairs."
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Re: Ships and Units
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2010, 10:26:14 »
R.I.P Grandfather. :cdn:
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Re: Ships and Units
« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2011, 03:33:01 »
And it is now 68 years since HMCS Louisburg was sunk by enemy torpedoes and bombs, near Oran,  during Operation Torch.
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Re: Ships and Units
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2012, 07:33:31 »

HMCS Louisburg
Sunk by German torpedo bombers
During Operation TORCH, the invasion of North Africa
6 February 1943


They shall grow not old, as we that are left grow old:
Age shall not weary them, nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.


Act of Remembrance
From "For the Fallen"
By Robert Laurence Binyon
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Re: Ships and Units
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2013, 07:28:20 »
70 years ago, today ...


Source: RCN

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Notes:

1. Other sources, including eye witnesses and this one, indicate that it was Italian based German aircraft that sunk Louisburg; and

2. One wishes the RCN's PR branch could master basic English grammar ("... is sunk by an Italian aircraft dropped dropped torpedo in the ...").

Thanks to a friend for the picture.
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Re: Ships and Units
« Reply #11 on: February 10, 2013, 10:51:03 »
HMCS Spikenard (K198), Lt.Cdr. Hubert George Shadforth, commanding, was sunk in the mid Atlantic. Seventy-seven officers and sailors were KIA.



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Re: Ships and Units
« Reply #12 on: February 22, 2013, 08:16:21 »
HMCS Trentonian (T/Lt. Colin Stinson Glassco) was torpedoed by a German submarine (U1004) off Falmouth, Cornwall, England, on 22 Feb 45. One officer and five rating were KIA.


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as to have neither strength nor courage to contend for anything; to have nothing left worth defending and to give the name of peace to desolation.
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Re: Ships and Units
« Reply #13 on: February 24, 2013, 09:38:39 »
HMCS Weyburn (T/A/Lt.Cdr. Thomas Maitland Wake Golby) was sunk by a mine, near Tangier, on 22 Feb 43. Three officers, including the captain, and nine others were killed.



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Re: Ships and Units
« Reply #14 on: February 24, 2013, 10:01:50 »
HMCS Weyburn (T/A/Lt.Cdr. Thomas Maitland Wake Golby) was sunk by a mine, near Tangier, on 22 Feb 43. Three officers, including the captain, and nine others were killed.



Wow, I have a good friend from Weyburn, SK...it's not exactly a large town, so it makes one appreciate how large a fleet the RCN must have had at the time.  RIP to those lost at sea.  :salute:

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Re: Ships and Units
« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2013, 14:29:05 »
HMCS Esquimalt (Lt. Robert Cunningham MacMillan, DSC and Bar) was sunk on 16 April 1945 by U-190, five miles off Chebucto Head, near Halifax; 44 members of the ship's company were lost with the ship and 26 survived. Esquimalt was the last Canadian warship lost in action.


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Re: Ships and Units
« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2013, 14:35:05 »
What is the ship type?
What could possibly go wrong?

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« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2013, 14:36:16 »
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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2013, 16:01:38 »
HMCS Esquimalt (Lt. Robert Cunningham MacMillan, DSC and Bar) was sunk on 16 April 1945 by U-190, five miles off Chebucto Head, near Halifax; 44 members of the ship's company were lost with the ship and 26 survived. Esquimalt was the last Canadian warship lost in action.


Interestingly, to me at least, is the fact that I have had the pleasure of knowing Werner Hirshmann.  He always attended the Mess Dinners I hosted, and IIRC, he is a paying member of the NOAC.  A fantastic man, really. 

A neat audio interview
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Re: Ships and Units
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2013, 06:21:23 »
A formation rather than a unit, but today is the 98th anniversary of the ANZAC (Australia/New Zealand Army Corps) landings at Galipoli.



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Re: Ships and Units
« Reply #20 on: May 04, 2013, 08:01:47 »
I recall, exactly, where I was on 4 May 82: visiting with then Col (later MGen) John Leech in his home in Brussels (I was at HQ AFCENT, he was doing something boring in Brussels); we were having a drink before heading off for a black tie dinner with mutual friends when we heard the news on the radio, "HMS Sheffield sunk by enemy (Argentine) Exocet missiles in the South Atlantic."



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Twenty men died and a further 24 were injured in the sinking of the HMS Sheffield, the first British warship to be lost in 37 years.

It was the first of four Royal Navy ships sunk during the Falklands War. The others were the frigates Ardent and Antelope and the destroyer Coventry.

The Royal Fleet Auxillary vessel Sir Galahad and the British Merchant Navy ship Atlantic Conveyor were also lost.
Source: BBC "On This Day"

(In later years, back in NDHQ, I would have occasion to examine and report upon the C3 arrangements which contributed to Sheffield's loss.)
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Re: Ships and Units
« Reply #21 on: June 06, 2013, 08:24:57 »
3rd Canadian Infrantry Division and 2nd Canadian Armoured Brigade:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DV7mK0iT3P8#!


Major General R.F.L. Keller addressing Canadian troops in Normandy, August 2nd, 1944.

3 Division
     Divisonal HQ

     Divisional Artillery
        12th Field Artillery Regiment, RCA
        13th Field Artillery Regiment, RCA
        14th Field Artillery Regiment, RCA
        3rd Anti-tank Regiment, RCA
        4th Light Anti-aircraft Regiment, RCA

     Divisional Engineers
        6th Field Company, RCE
        16th Field Company, RCE
        18th Field Company, RCE
        3rd Canadian Field Park Company, RCE
        3rd Canadian Divisional Bridge Platoon, RCE

     Division Troops
        7th Reconnaissance Regiment (17th Duke of York's Royal Canadian Hussars)
        The Cameron Highlanders of Ottawa (Machine Gun)
        3rd Canadian Divisional Signals, R.C. Sigs
        No. 3 Defence and Employment Platoon (Lorne Scots)
        No. 4 Canadian Provost Company, Canadian Provost Corps
        No.14, No.22, No.23 Field Ambulance, Royal Canadian Army Medical Corps

     7 Brigade
        The Royal Winnipeg Rifles
        The Regina Rifle Regiment
        1st Battalion The Canadian Scottish Regiment
        7 Canadian Infantry Brigade Ground Defence Platoon (Lorne Scots)

       
        The Royal Winnipeg Rifles heading towards Juno aboard LCAs

     8 Brigade
        The Queen's Own Rifles of Canada
        Le Régiment de la Chaudière
        The North Shore (New Brunswick) Regiment
        8 Canadian Infantry Brigade Ground Defence Platoon (Lorne Scots)

       
        The Queen's Own Rifles of Canada dug in at the end of D-Day near Carpiquet

     9 Brigade
        The Highland Light Infantry of Canada
        The Stormont, Dundas and Glengarry Highlanders
        The North Nova Scotia Highlanders
        9 Canadian Infantry Brigade Ground Defence Platoon (Lorne Scots)

2 Armoured Brigade
        6th Armoured Regiment (1st Hussars)
        10th Armoured Regiment (The Fort Garry Horse)
        27th Armoured Regiment (The Sherbrooke Fusiliers Regiment)
        "C" Squadron, 25th Armoured Delivery Regiment (The Elgin Regiment)
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Re: Ships and Units
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2013, 08:37:08 »
E.R. Campbell, would you mind shedding some light on some of the more obscure units in 3CID if you know what they were?

Specifically what Cameron Highlanders job was as a Machine Gun unit (a BN full of MG Dets?), what a field park company is, what the Lorne Scots did as Defence and Employment platoon and as Ground Defence Platoons.

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Re: Ships and Units
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2013, 08:52:45 »
Other, real experts, will chime in, I hope, but:

     MG battalions had companies and platoons of heavy machine guns (units had their own medium machine guns) to provide support where needed. By the 1960s we had a HMG Pl in each battalion, but, still,
     in a general support role;

     A Field Park is a supply unit - in the Divisional Engineers I'm assuming it provided specialized engineer stores to the field companies. Since only the engineers could use those stores it made sense to have the
     Fiend Park in the engineer formation; and

     Defence and Employment and Ground Defence are pretty self explanatory. A HQ (Div or Bde) is a high value target; it cannot defend itself so units are tasked to do so. Those same units also do general duties
     around the HQ.
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Re: Ships and Units
« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2013, 09:12:22 »
Other, real experts, will chime in, I hope, but:

     MG battalions had companies and platoons of heavy machine guns (units had their own medium machine guns) to provide support where needed. By the 1960s we had a HMG Pl in each battalion, but, still,
     in a general support role;

   

Not quite. Infantry battalions did not have a machine gun platoon at the time. The divisional machine gun battalion had three companies each of three platoons of Vickers medium machine guns and a mortar company of three platoons of 4.2in smooth bore mortars. (Not the 4.2in rifled mortars some of us may remember from the 1960 infantry mortar platoons.)
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