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Army mess dress jacket white only for officers?
« on: July 10, 2012, 22:54:08 »
I have been looking to find an answer to this but can't find the answer anywhere. Is the white jacket for mess dress only authorized wear for officers or SNCO allowed to wear?

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Re: Army mess dress jacket white only for officers?
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2012, 23:24:10 »
You'd have to check the Dress Regs - it's in there -  however it's only for General/Flag Officers IIRC.

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Re: Army mess dress jacket white only for officers?
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2012, 23:34:57 »
Hmm. Interesting. I've seen lowly Major's sporting the ice-cream man jacket, and in winter too! I thought it was only for summer. I wonder if they knew it was for Generals only.

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Re: Army mess dress jacket white only for officers?
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2012, 23:42:00 »
Hmm. Interesting. I've seen lowly Major's sporting the ice-cream man jacket, and in winter too! I thought it was only for summer. I wonder if they knew it was for Generals only.

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Re: Army mess dress jacket white only for officers?
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2012, 23:44:12 »
Order of dress 2A (Mess White) is not restricted to GO/FO.  It can be restricted by branches / regiments per Chapter 6, Annex B para 1c and Chapter 6, Appendix 1 Annex B para 2.  It is not for the CFMS (if you care).

As far as I am aware (and I checked the regs) it unrestricted for navy and army for NCMs (unless restricted as above) but is not to be worn by Air Force NCMs (see Note 3: of Figure 6B1-5). 

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Re: Army mess dress jacket white only for officers?
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2012, 23:45:43 »
It is only for summer / tropical wear though.... so you should not see some numpty wearing it when you can see snow. 

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Re: Army mess dress jacket white only for officers?
« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2012, 23:49:00 »
Some egos know no rank.

In the case of the individuals concerned you are spot on!!

Medcorps - Is it restricted by time of year/season? I'm a total modernist when it comes to dress and such but get cranky about people wearing the wrong thing at the wrong time. Mess Dress at a wedding, for example. EDIT: question answered. The people I saw wearing it (reference above) are numpty's too!

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Re: Army mess dress jacket white only for officers?
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2012, 23:53:34 »
Medcorps - Is it restricted by time of year/season? I'm a total modernist when it comes to dress and such but get cranky about people wearing the wrong thing at the wrong time. Mess Dress at a wedding, for example. EDIT: question answered. The people I saw wearing it (reference above) are numpty's too!

What happens if the wedding is past 1800?
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Re: Army mess dress jacket white only for officers?
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2012, 00:00:48 »
What happens if the wedding is past 1800?

Honestly? No idea...More port stains maybe?

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Re: Army mess dress jacket white only for officers?
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2012, 00:01:50 »
Are we really going to start this bullshit again?

There's already a huge pissing thread dedicated to this already.

Go there and add to it if your fashion sensibilites are offended.

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Re: Army mess dress jacket white only for officers?
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2012, 00:33:24 »
Honestly? No idea...More port stains maybe?

You talked about Mess Dress at a wedding.  Mess Dress is evening dress, good for black tie/white tie occasions after 1800.
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Re: Army mess dress jacket white only for officers?
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2012, 08:38:09 »
Order of dress 2A (Mess White) is not restricted to GO/FO.  It can be restricted by branches / regiments per Chapter 6, Annex B para 1c and Chapter 6, Appendix 1 Annex B para 2. It is not for the CFMS (if you care).

As far as I am aware (and I checked the regs) it unrestricted for navy and army for NCMs (unless restricted as above) but is not to be worn by Air Force NCMs (see Note 3: of Figure 6B1-5). 

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Re: Army mess dress jacket white only for officers?
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2012, 09:28:37 »
I have a White jacket along with a red one. I've had the white one longer as I'm a CIC and only ever did the Mess diner thing at summer camp it seemed the way to go. Plus it was only $150.00 red one was $500.00.
3 years ago I wore it to get married in as it was a nice hot summer day.
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Re: Army mess dress jacket white only for officers?
« Reply #13 on: May 12, 2016, 07:45:11 »
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 Does anyone have a good picture of someone in the Army White Mess Dress Jacket (No. 2a)?

I'm debating buying it as it's looking like I'll be at a lot of functions for the next bit, but I can't find a decent bloody picture anywhere. I even emailed Andrei's and they don't have any...
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Re: Army mess dress jacket white only for officers?
« Reply #14 on: May 12, 2016, 08:19:18 »
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Re: Army mess dress jacket white only for officers?
« Reply #15 on: May 12, 2016, 10:17:37 »
It's Australian, but you get the picture.  http://www.blacktieguide.com/Supplemental/Military/defence_gov_au-army-collage.jpg

I take it ours is intensely similar (go Commonwealth) thanks for the picture, I guess ours are so rare that they are unseen.

PS Poor old LCol at the end there, looks just so...misrable  :-\
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Re: Army mess dress jacket white only for officers?
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2016, 12:09:33 »
I take it ours is intensely similar (go Commonwealth) thanks for the picture, I guess ours are so rare that they are unseen.

PS Poor old LCol at the end there, looks just so...misrable  :-\

There is an attachment from The RCR Standing Orders.  Summer mess kit jacket on a Major.

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Re: Army mess dress jacket white only for officers?
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2016, 12:38:51 »
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 Does anyone have a good picture of someone in the Army White Mess Dress Jacket (No. 2a)?

I'm debating buying it as it's looking like I'll be at a lot of functions for the next bit, but I can't find a decent bloody picture anywhere. I even emailed Andrei's and they don't have any...

This is from RSOs of the QOR.  Your regiment/branch may be different.
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Re: Army mess dress jacket white only for officers?
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2016, 17:31:04 »
It's Australian, but you get the picture.  http://www.blacktieguide.com/Supplemental/Military/defence_gov_au-army-collage.jpg

I like the jacket on the far right the best!!
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Re: Army mess dress jacket white only for officers?
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2016, 13:43:20 »
Thanks all, much better photo's then what is available off google! Now to decide...is it worth 600 bucks heh.
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