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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #125 on: May 12, 2016, 10:59:02 »

Haaa the 90s. Went from PVT to MCPL then left for officer inf phase training the week after. [:D [:D

At this point, with the deficit spending we're starting to see, I'll be delighted if we keep getting our annual incentive increases and don't get the pay freeze that we saw in the 90's, where the only pay-raise you got was for a rank-change.  (Note, this was where the 'advance promotion' for LS/Cpls started, it was the only way to us up to a reasonable living wage.  My pay was frozen at $1625/mo as a OS IPC1 for almost 3 years.  My next pay-raise was to LS Spec 1 IPC0 at just about 3600 a month. 

If I was a betting man, I'd bet that there will be no pay-raise this year, and next year there will be a pay-freeze for all Federal Gov't employees.  If there isn't, then I'll be happy and enjoy my annual IPC increase.  I'm not holding my breath, nor writing any cheques based on a possible pay raise.

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« Reply #126 on: July 11, 2016, 06:46:03 »
PSAC is still negotiating their contract, as they are the largest of the public service unions our rates won't change until after theirs is finalized. They're asking for 3% a year for the 3 years of the contract (which would include 2 years retroactive since 2014). There's many other issues they're negotiating on (sick leave being the main one) which is why it's been a slow process.

Best case scenario they make some sort of concession on sick leave and get a bigger pay raise!

Has there been any action on this recently?  I know that these things take time, and bureaucracy works at a super-fast pace ( ::) ), but if anyone has heard anything lately, would you mind sharing with the class?

Thanks.

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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #127 on: July 11, 2016, 07:20:05 »
No progress on negotiations.

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« Reply #128 on: July 11, 2016, 09:16:26 »
I wouldn't expect who actually knows anything to say anything. It is being pretty tight lipped where I work.

Likewise I wouldnt expect anything to happen until after Canada Post settles their strike. Especially because the biggest issue is the pension..

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« Reply #129 on: July 11, 2016, 12:39:06 »
In other good news, your SISIP LTD premium just went up 20%a month. Only works out to a couple dollar increase, but the nickel and diming continues.

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« Reply #130 on: July 11, 2016, 13:04:45 »
Gotta pay for refugees and campaign promises somehow!   ;D
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« Reply #131 on: July 11, 2016, 13:18:21 »
Anyone have SA on why Canada Post would be a benchmark (see runnormal's comment) for such negotiations?

My understanding was CAF pay was tied to or relative to, to some extent, the contracts negotiated with the Federal Public Service, while Canada Post is a Crown corporation.
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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #132 on: July 11, 2016, 13:32:29 »
Anyone have SA on why Canada Post would be a benchmark (see runnormal's comment) for such negotiations?

My understanding was CAF pay was tied to or relative to, to some extent, the contracts negotiated with the Federal Public Service, while Canada Post is a Crown corporation.
I don't have any inside info but my guess is that they are waiting to see what Canada post gets.

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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #133 on: July 11, 2016, 13:46:49 »
I don't have any inside info but my guess is that they are waiting to see what Canada post gets.

I doubt it.  Negotiations are between the Corporation and the employees.  ASFAIK Canada Post is not subject to the PSA nor does it fall under treasury board mandate.  Canada Post has a different compensation and benefits package (including a revised sick leave policy that was put in place a few years ago).

CRA employees were close to a deal (watch them instead) but they turned it down and are back at it.

PSAC spent a week in negotiations at the end of June with little result and should be back at it sometime in Sept. 
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« Reply #134 on: July 11, 2016, 14:20:26 »
Gotta pay for refugees and campaign promises somehow!   ;D

Poking a hornets nest; eh?
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« Reply #135 on: July 11, 2016, 14:41:45 »
Poking a hornets nest; eh?

Well, it is a tonque in cheek at the reality;  the Liberals promised all kinds of things and have to pay for them somehow.  The CAF is a non-unionized workforce.  We don't get to strike, etc. 

I still remember, and I'm sure you do, the 'pay freeze' days that weren't, in reality, all that long ago...
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« Reply #136 on: July 11, 2016, 15:33:49 »
Well, it is a tonque in cheek at the reality;  the Liberals promised all kinds of things and have to pay for them somehow.  The CAF is a non-unionized workforce.  We don't get to strike, etc. 

I still remember, and I'm sure you do, the 'pay freeze' days that weren't, in reality, all that long ago...

Indeed I do; and there was NO BACK PAY for those "Years of Darkness".  Once the Government did "restart" our pay, it was a good thing that we were tied into the PS for the percentage of raise that we would get.  It was not back pay, but renegotiated pay as per the PS unions agreements.  Also remember, what one PS union gets, does not mean anything until all PS unions have agreement.  This is why it often takes some time before you will see figures released.
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« Reply #137 on: July 11, 2016, 15:37:20 »
Honestly, I'm not holding my breath for this FY.  If we do get a pay raise...bonus!
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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #138 on: July 11, 2016, 19:13:05 »
Honestly, I'm not holding my breath for this FY.  If we do get a pay raise...bonus!

The raise will cover the cost of living increases for the last few years, and likely not quite cover off all the increases in CFSA/LTD or the pending CPP cash grab. We'll come out behind, we always do. Especially when PSAC bargains away some of our benefits.

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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #139 on: July 11, 2016, 19:58:47 »
The raise will cover the cost of living increases for the last few years, and likely not quite cover off all the increases in CFSA/LTD or the pending CPP cash grab. We'll come out behind, we always do. Especially when PSAC bargains away some of our benefits.

Just like our severance...
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« Reply #140 on: July 11, 2016, 20:10:42 »
Especially when PSAC bargains away some of our benefits.

Which benefits would those be?

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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #141 on: July 11, 2016, 20:16:13 »
Most notable was severance, worth (about) 2%, that was traded in for two 0.5% increases.

The sick leave negotiations could be most interesting; depending how that evolves, it's possible the public service could get a larger increase than the military, since military sick leave is significantly different from the public service equivalent.
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« Reply #142 on: July 11, 2016, 20:34:09 »
We've been through this before though.  When the government comes to the table and says "We're not leaving without your severance", what do you do?  You get as much for it as possible.  It's better than them legislating it away, and freezing everyone's severance as of a certain date like they did, and getting nothing else for it. 

How would a strike over severance have been received by John Q. Public, who probably doesn't get severance? 

It's a complete non-issue.  The only ones still complaining about it are those who don't understand it.  Loath as I am to defend an action of the Harper (tm) gov't, it was indefensible on the unions' part.

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« Reply #143 on: July 11, 2016, 20:37:43 »
As a former member, you'll understand how "we" feel.  Those of us still in.  We don't get a say in the matter, we get what they let us have.  For that reason alone, I don't like it.  We're at the mercy of those who are at play in the fields for their own pay package. 
I'm just like the CAF, I seem to have retention issues.

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« Reply #144 on: July 11, 2016, 20:40:12 »
We've been through this before though.  When the government comes to the table and says "We're not leaving without your severance", what do you do?  You get as much for it as possible.  It's better than them legislating it away, and freezing everyone's severance as of a certain date like they did, and getting nothing else for it. 

How would a strike over severance have been received by John Q. Public, who probably doesn't get severance? 

It's a complete non-issue.  The only ones still complaining about it are those who don't understand it.  Loath as I am to defend an action of the Harper (tm) gov't, it was indefensible on the unions' part.

I listen to Talk Radio, and every Saturday there is a Lawyer on who specializes in "Severance" and what an employee is entitled to, and how often the employee is not fully knowledgeable of how much Severance they are entitled to, often leading to the case where their former employer has short changed them.  That got me to wondering if what the Federal Government did to the military, RCMP, and PS was in fact legal. 

http://www.esdc.gc.ca/assets/portfolio/docs/en/reports/labour_standards/termination/termination.pdf

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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #145 on: July 11, 2016, 20:52:19 »
Me either, but I would be willing to bet good money than of those civvies who do get severance, an extremely small percentage get it for voluntarily leaving their job; AKA end of a FPOS or a voluntary release on an IPS.

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« Reply #146 on: July 11, 2016, 20:54:19 »
we will likely get the new negotiated pay just in time for the next round of negotiation, as the p[ace things are going now

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« Reply #147 on: July 11, 2016, 20:56:53 »
we will likely get the new negotiated pay just in time for the next round of negotiation, as the p[ace things are going now

Wait for the strike, first. Once PSAC realizes they can't milk the Liberals after pledging their support in the election, the lines at the gates from "the defense team" holding everyone up getting to work will be bigger than a BSAF exercise.

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« Reply #148 on: July 11, 2016, 20:59:22 »
As a former member, you'll understand how "we" feel.  Those of us still in.  We don't get a say in the matter, we get what they let us have.  For that reason alone, I don't like it.  We're at the mercy of those who are at play in the fields for their own pay package.

I do understand, and it wasn't that long ago I felt the same pangs.  Until a massive overhaul of the compensation & benefits package happens, and everything is delinked from the PS system, it is what it is.  The CF reaps the same gains and suffers the same losses.

the lines at the gates from "the defense team" holding everyone up getting to work will be bigger than a BSAF exercise.

I promise nobody will dock your pay for being late.   ;)

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« Reply #149 on: July 11, 2016, 21:13:14 »
I listen to Talk Radio, and every Saturday there is a Lawyer on who specializes in "Severance" and what an employee is entitled to, and how often the employee is not fully knowledgeable of how much Severance they are entitled to, often leading to the case where their former employer has short changed them.  That got me to wondering if what the Federal Government did to the military, RCMP, and PS was in fact legal. 

http://www.esdc.gc.ca/assets/portfolio/docs/en/reports/labour_standards/termination/termination.pdf

Not being a "Legal Eagle/Beagle", I am way outside of my expertise here.

I believe that Mr. SAmfiuru specialises in Ontario labour law.  The PS falls under a a different and federal law.
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