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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #275 on: December 12, 2016, 17:22:23 »
Welcome to the Chretien years.  One guy with me in Halifax was # 1 in the trade three years running.  No promotion. 


This happened to a few of us.  But, as noted during SCONDVA, they certainly had us working jobs that were 2 X levels higher than the rank they left us stagnant at. 

Ergo, SCONDVA recommendation that personnel who were posted into jobs described and intended as higher rank levels must either be promoted to the appropriate rank level or WSE'd.
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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #276 on: December 12, 2016, 19:39:32 »
This happened to a few of us.  But, as noted during SCONDVA, they certainly had us working jobs that were 2 X levels higher than the rank they left us stagnant at. 

Ergo, SCONDVA recommendation that personnel who were posted into jobs described and intended as higher rank levels must either be promoted to the appropriate rank level or WSE'd.

Well, I did run into Ken on my last tour at KAF.  He was a MWO and running a NCIU team.  It was nice to see he made it far beyond the Cpl merry go nowhere we were both riding back in the day.
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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #277 on: December 12, 2016, 19:54:26 »
Well, I did run into Ken on my last tour at KAF.  He was a MWO and running a NCIU team.  It was nice to see he made it far beyond the Cpl merry go nowhere we were both riding back in the day.

Agreed ... that was the CFL era - Corporals For Life and Captains For Life.

I'm still not certain this era is comparable as promotions are not stagnating due to tightening of the purse string -- Ie:  saving money by not promoting, but employing in higher-ranked positions anyways.  We were actually over-strength at the lower rank levels back in those days, but under strength at the higher ranks; it was, indeed, all about saving money.

Currently rather, the release rates are quite high coupled with a broken recruiting system and lots of red trades, too many people have been getting promoted too quickly.  We have Warrant Officers with a couple years in rank who have no idea what a 'caution' is for crying out loud.  We have people being promoted on a developing and a ready PER.  At some point, the CAF needs to kick back and let people gain the necessary experience and knowledge they require before promoting them into the next rank level where they fail due to the lack of experience.  As well for the red trades, even though we have vacancies at higher rank levels, we can not afford to keep promoting unready personnel up into those positions as that just creates even more vacancies at the Pte/Cpl level where the real work actually gets done.  The current recruiting schmogle is not helping.
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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #278 on: December 12, 2016, 20:03:50 »
Rather, the release rates are quite high coupled with a broken recruiting system and lots of red trades, too many people have been getting promoted too quickly.  We have Warrant Officers with a couple years in rank who have no idea what a 'caution' is for crying out loud.  We have people being promoted on a developing and a ready PER.  At some point, the CAF needs to kick back and let people gain the necessary experience and knowledge they require before promoting them into the next rank level where they fail due to the lack of experience. 

We're probably way off topic of a pay raise now, but this caught my eye. We have a tendency to promote until incompetent, or promote solely based on technical skills. The best technical Cpl could have terrible leadership skills, but we have to link a high performance to high potential. Coupled with the fact that we promote people into a rank, and then a year or 2 later they're finally qualified in that rank gives us a giant recipe for disaster.

If the training system is so backlogged (ILP looking at you), we should be holding people back until they get those courses to enable success.

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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #279 on: December 12, 2016, 20:22:26 »
Agreed ... that was the CFL era - Corporals For Life and Captains For Life.

I'm still not certain this era is comparable as promotions are not stagnating due to tightening of the purse string -- Ie:  saving money by not promoting, but employing in higher-ranked positions anyways.  We were actually over-strength at the lower rank levels back in those days, but under strength at the higher ranks; it was, indeed, all about saving money.

Currently rather, the release rates are quite high coupled with a broken recruiting system and lots of red trades, too many people have been getting promoted too quickly.  We have Warrant Officers with a couple years in rank who have no idea what a 'caution' is for crying out loud.  We have people being promoted on a developing and a ready PER.  At some point, the CAF needs to kick back and let people gain the necessary experience and knowledge they require before promoting them into the next rank level where they fail due to the lack of experience.  As well for the red trades, even though we have vacancies at higher rank levels, we can not afford to keep promoting unready personnel up into those positions as that just creates even more vacancies at the Pte/Cpl level where the real work actually gets done.  The current recruiting schmogle is not helping.

Well said, Vern.  I fear it won't get any better for the foreseeable future for that matter.  I can't speak for the other kids, but the Navy is in for some very rough seas to come.  Most of it, self inflicted.
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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #280 on: December 13, 2016, 08:28:03 »
Currently rather, the release rates are quite high coupled with a broken recruiting system and lots of red trades, too many people have been getting promoted too quickly.  We have Warrant Officers with a couple years in rank who have no idea what a 'caution' is for crying out loud.  We have people being promoted on a developing and a ready PER.  At some point, the CAF needs to kick back and let people gain the necessary experience and knowledge they require before promoting them into the next rank level where they fail due to the lack of experience.  As well for the red trades, even though we have vacancies at higher rank levels, we can not afford to keep promoting unready personnel up into those positions as that just creates even more vacancies at the Pte/Cpl level where the real work actually gets done.  The current recruiting schmogle is not helping.

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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #281 on: December 13, 2016, 08:59:10 »
Well said, Vern.  I fear it won't get any better for the foreseeable future for that matter.  I can't speak for the other kids, but the Navy is in for some very rough seas to come. Most of it, self inflicted.

What? Are you implying that my <1 year tours as Director, ORO and XO, with 2-3 yeas in between on shore postings, won't prepare me to be Commanding Officer of a warship? I mean, I can pass a Rules of the Road exam, what more do I need?
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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #282 on: December 13, 2016, 09:06:21 »
What? Are you implying that my <1 year tours as Director, ORO and XO, with 2-3 yeas in between on shore postings, won't prepare me to be Commanding Officer of a warship? I mean, I can pass a Rules of the Road exam, what more do I need?

Did you count your simulator time? I'm sure all those gamer alongsides makes one a competent ship handler!!! :rofl:

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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #283 on: December 13, 2016, 09:55:25 »
What? Are you implying that my <1 year tours as Director, ORO and XO, with 2-3 yeas in between on shore postings, won't prepare me to be Commanding Officer of a warship? I mean, I can pass a Rules of the Road exam, what more do I need?

Further drift, but we have now reached the point where I have more sea time than the average warship CO...

And I am not a high time MH guy...

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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #284 on: December 13, 2016, 10:07:44 »
Further drift, but we have now reached the point where I have more sea time than the average warship CO...

And I am not a high time MH guy...

It is getting a bit sad. When I joined, the CO's I sailed for could handle a ship like a sports car, now.....well I'll hold my water on that comment. :salute:

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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #285 on: December 13, 2016, 12:16:57 »
It is getting a bit sad. When I joined, the CO's I sailed for could handle a ship like a sports car, now.....well I'll hold my water on that comment. :salute:

 >:D Seems to me they still can:






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« Reply #286 on: December 13, 2016, 18:57:34 »
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« Reply #287 on: December 13, 2016, 19:05:12 »
What? Are you implying that my <1 year tours as Director, ORO and XO, with 2-3 yeas in between on shore postings, won't prepare me to be Commanding Officer of a warship? I mean, I can pass a Rules of the Road exam, what more do I need?

Again, I cannot speak for the Weird Room and all it's denizens, but, the trade amalgamations the new CRCN has in play and in mind is not going to go down well for retention.  There are many punching out and planning to punch out from the MSE great smash of 2016.  I can just imagine the next great thing the Bosn/Nav Comm/Stwd Frankenstein's monster that is presently on the threat radar will be just as successful.  I am starting to wonder if it the RCN motto is going to be changed from "Ready, Aye, Ready" to "We're not happy until you're unhappy"...
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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #288 on: December 15, 2016, 14:23:52 »
http://vcds.mil.ca/apps/canforgens/default-eng.asp?id=221-16&type=canforgen (DWAN Only, sorry)

FFS....

CANFORGEN 221/16 - SEA DUTY ALLOWANCE (SDA) VERIFICATION (REFIT) UPDATE

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"ACTIVE SERVICE MEMBERS HAVE NOW BEEN REVIEWED AND PAY CORRECTION IS COMPLETED."

Oh yea? You don't say. I know half a dozen people from MON who haven't received a dime yet. (probably more, I just haven't asked them all)

Anyone else not receive anything yet?
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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #289 on: December 15, 2016, 14:31:42 »
Lumber: Didin't you know they were doing the SDA verification using Phoenix?  :nod:

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« Reply #290 on: December 15, 2016, 14:42:37 »
Lumber: Didin't you know they were doing the SDA verification using Phoenix?  :nod:

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« Reply #291 on: December 15, 2016, 20:47:05 »
Lumber: Didin't you know they were doing the SDA verification using Phoenix?  :nod:

Pensioners first though... ;)
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« Reply #292 on: December 16, 2016, 09:53:26 »
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Myself and a few others I know still haven't received our SDA backpay yet either.  I wonder if we should expect to see it on the end Dec pay if it has indeed been "completed"?

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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #293 on: December 16, 2016, 10:12:55 »
If I'm a civie by the time this back pay gets paid out, do I still get it (it seems to only make sense that I would?) and if I do, how would I go about claiming it?
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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #294 on: December 16, 2016, 10:15:40 »
If I'm a civie by the time this back pay gets paid out, do I still get it (it seems to only make sense that I would?) and if I do, how would I go about claiming it?

You collected SDA ?
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« Reply #295 on: December 16, 2016, 10:21:17 »
You collected SDA ?

No, sorry, I was talking about the 2014 - 2016 cost of living adjustments on our base pay.
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« Reply #296 on: December 16, 2016, 10:38:46 »
No, sorry, I was talking about the 2014 - 2016 cost of living adjustments on our base pay.

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« Reply #297 on: December 18, 2016, 19:03:10 »
http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/psac-keeps-sick-leave-wins-pay-hike-in-tentative-deal-with-federal-government

Looks like PSAC has negotiated an agreement that gives a raise and does not touch sick leave.

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« Reply #298 on: December 18, 2016, 19:25:51 »
How does the signing bonus factor into military pay increase? My gut says it doesn't, but stranger things have happened.

Light at the end of the tunnel at least.

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« Reply #299 on: December 18, 2016, 19:43:41 »
http://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/psac-keeps-sick-leave-wins-pay-hike-in-tentative-deal-with-federal-government

Looks like PSAC has negotiated an agreement that gives a raise and does not touch sick leave.

Fantastic news as my Position falls under this category!!

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