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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #325 on: April 08, 2017, 11:05:58 »
Our union did its part to bump up the average...we've been offered 1.25% for each of the four years of the agreement, with a 2% "wage restructure" applied to the top step of all levels in the third year (1 Sep 2016).  I'm not sure how that last part will be quantified into the average they need to calculate for the CF raise purposes.

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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #326 on: April 08, 2017, 13:09:35 »
Our union did its part to bump up the average...we've been offered 1.25% for each of the four years of the agreement, with a 2% "wage restructure" applied to the top step of all levels in the third year (1 Sep 2016).  I'm not sure how that last part will be quantified into the average they need to calculate for the CF raise purposes.

Any idea how long from this point until these go into effect? Typically?
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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #327 on: April 08, 2017, 13:17:54 »
Generally implementation timelines are part of the negotiations;  for PSAC's PA group, for example, it will be 150 days after ratification.
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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #328 on: April 08, 2017, 13:20:45 »
Any idea how long from this point until these go into effect? Typically?

Our ratification vote isn't until next month, and even then they've told us with Phoenix, not to expect to see the increases and back pay processed until the end of the year.  We're only a small union; I'm not sure how things are going on a broader scale across the Public Service, or if there is enough of a baseline for them to start working on what the CF raise will be.

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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #329 on: April 08, 2017, 16:06:22 »
Generally implementation timelines are part of the negotiations;  for PSAC's PA group, for example, it will be 150 days after ratification.

However..... [:(

Our ratification vote isn't until next month, and even then they've told us with Phoenix, not to expect to see the increases and back pay processed until the end of the year.  We're only a small union; I'm not sure how things are going on a broader scale across the Public Service, or if there is enough of a baseline for them to start working on what the CF raise will be.

With the mention of the "P" word, that may mean that ALL PS employees won't see any money in their banks after the new increases are inputted.   >:D

CF are lucky that they do not fall into the Phoenix Pay fiasco yet.   [:D
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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #330 on: April 08, 2017, 19:25:19 »
However..... [:(

With the mention of the "P" word, that may mean that ALL PS employees won't see any money in their banks after the new increases are inputted.   >:D

CF are lucky that they do not fall into the Phoenix Pay fiasco yet.   [:D

IRRPS / RPSR afflicted the PRes with  similar issues. So the entire CAF did not escape Phoenix style pay issues.
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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #331 on: April 09, 2017, 08:32:27 »
IRRPS / RPSR afflicted the PRes with  similar issues. So the entire CAF did not escape Phoenix style pay issues.

When IRRPS came out, most people fondly dubbed it the WHOOPS pay system. 
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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #332 on: April 29, 2017, 05:56:02 »
From what I've been able to see, its down to those day ruining border agents as the last union to make a deal. Or is there another one I'm missing?

13 April 2017 was the the big ratification for most of the unions. Here http://psacunion.ca/psac-members-ratify-new-agreements-treasury-board


21 April 2017 was the last update for FB(Day Ruiners) Here http://psacunion.ca/fb-bargaining-update-what-comes-next-pic

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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #333 on: April 29, 2017, 05:58:16 »
Any idea how long from this point until these go into effect? Typically?

Perfect link for you, enjoy.

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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #334 on: April 29, 2017, 06:58:46 »
Would it be hard to attach pay raises to cost of living increases?  Every year our pay would get adjusted accordingly, without having to wait for unions to sort themselves out.

We waste so much time and money on crap like this.


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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #335 on: April 29, 2017, 07:46:05 »
More often than not, the increases that the CF gets as a result of being tied to the average of the PS increases results in a raise better than the rate of inflation.  And the increases are always made retroactively.

Why would you settle for something less?  It's money in the bank.

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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #336 on: April 29, 2017, 11:01:31 »
Would it be hard to attach pay raises to cost of living increases?  Every year our pay would get adjusted accordingly, without having to wait for unions to sort themselves out.

We waste so much time and money on crap like this.

.......or just add Incentive Levels to Infinity (ILTI).   [:D
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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #337 on: April 29, 2017, 11:49:15 »
Would it be hard to attach pay raises to cost of living increases?  Every year our pay would get adjusted accordingly, without having to wait for unions to sort themselves out.

We waste so much time and money on crap like this.

Or allow us to have our own collective bargaining agent, so we don't have to wait for PSAC to think they can milk a better deal out of a new government. Don't give me the "PSAC is getting a better deal for the CAF as well", because they have 0 thoughts about securing anything for the CAF when they're working on negotiations.

I'd be happy with increases tied to the national cost of living increase (no less than 1% per year), since pressing issues like PLD reform, or tax-free benefits on deployments are furthest from anyone's minds.

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« Reply #338 on: April 29, 2017, 12:28:23 »
Or allow us to have our own collective bargaining agent,

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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #339 on: April 30, 2017, 11:33:09 »
Or allow us to have our own collective bargaining agent, so we don't have to wait for PSAC to think they can milk a better deal out of a new government. Don't give me the "PSAC is getting a better deal for the CAF as well", because they have 0 thoughts about securing anything for the CAF when they're working on negotiations.

I'd be happy with increases tied to the national cost of living increase (no less than 1% per year), since pressing issues like PLD reform, or tax-free benefits on deployments are furthest from anyone's minds.

You really have a hate-on for the Public Service, based upon your post history.  If the 17 unions (not just PSAC) didn't reject the Conservative government's offers, and waited it out to see what the Liberals could do, you'd be enjoying a pay increase based on 0.5% per year for four years right now.  As it stands, the CF will be getting a raise that's most likely based on slightly better than 1.25% or 1.5% per year over 4 years.  The system worked as it's supposed to.  Your pay raise will be retroactive.  I strongly suspect that nobody in the CF was in danger of losing their home by not getting their pay raise every year, on time.

Your proposal of increases tied to the CPI is interesting, but the limitation of "no less than 1%" is puzzling.  If you want the benefit of keeping up with the rate of inflation when inflation is high, then when inflation slows to a rate less than 1.0%, it should apply as well.  Why would the CF (or anyone else, for that matter) enjoy COLA protection when inflation is high, but still have a guaranteed increase rate during times of low inflation?  You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #340 on: May 03, 2017, 11:20:10 »
You really have a hate-on for the Public Service, based upon your post history.  If the 17 unions (not just PSAC) didn't reject the Conservative government's offers, and waited it out to see what the Liberals could do, you'd be enjoying a pay increase based on 0.5% per year for four years right now.  As it stands, the CF will be getting a raise that's most likely based on slightly better than 1.25% or 1.5% per year over 4 years.  The system worked as it's supposed to.  Your pay raise will be retroactive.  I strongly suspect that nobody in the CF was in danger of losing their home by not getting their pay raise every year, on time.

Your proposal of increases tied to the CPI is interesting, but the limitation of "no less than 1%" is puzzling.  If you want the benefit of keeping up with the rate of inflation when inflation is high, then when inflation slows to a rate less than 1.0%, it should apply as well.  Why would the CF (or anyone else, for that matter) enjoy COLA protection when inflation is high, but still have a guaranteed increase rate during times of low inflation?  You can't have your cake and eat it too.

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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #341 on: May 15, 2017, 13:56:47 »
I heard through the grapevine (I reiterate that this is an "I heard") that it was all sorted out now and that things will be happening WRT this later on in the year. Some are saying by Christmas time, and some are saying as early as the end of the summer.

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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #342 on: May 15, 2017, 14:12:09 »
I heard through the grapevine (I reiterate that this is an "I heard") that it was all sorted out now and that things will be happening WRT this later on in the year. Some are saying by Christmas time, and some are saying as early as the end of the summer.

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When it is all sorted out, I am fairly confident that it will be announced, and then the next round of griping that "I didn't get the money within 24 hours", "Basket weaving Techs deserve a higher increase" and "My friends says [insert absurd rumour here]" can being in earnest.
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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #343 on: May 15, 2017, 15:11:12 »
, "Basket weaving Techs deserve a higher increase"

I am finally happy to see that someone recognizes the importance of basket weaving, it is a dying trade you know.

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« Reply #344 on: May 15, 2017, 15:38:25 »
I am finally happy to see that someone recognizes the importance of basket weaving, it is a dying trade you know.

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Don't be ridiculous.  The trade is stronger than it has ever been.  Those minor reductions post FRP, post SR and post DRAP, reducing it to a single MCpl (and the trade is now red) are irrelevant to the future of this key enabler.

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« Reply #345 on: May 16, 2017, 07:42:07 »
Our union did its part to bump up the average...we've been offered 1.25% for each of the four years of the agreement, with a 2% "wage restructure" applied to the top step of all levels in the third year (1 Sep 2016).  I'm not sure how that last part will be quantified into the average they need to calculate for the CF raise purposes.

I would expect an announcement on CAF pay raises to be made within the next 2 weeks.  Just awaiting TB approval.
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« Reply #346 on: May 16, 2017, 07:44:01 »
I would expect an announcement on CAF pay raises to be made within the next 2 weeks.  Just awaiting TB approval.
Thats a bold statement, yet completely unfounded without a source.

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« Reply #347 on: May 16, 2017, 08:09:19 »
Thats a bold statement, yet completely unfounded without a source.
Time will tell... ;)
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« Reply #348 on: May 16, 2017, 09:06:15 »
Or maybe the MND will announce it as part of the Defence Policy Review on 07 June...


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Re: Pay Raise (2014 - 2016) & Back Pay
« Reply #349 on: June 02, 2017, 11:36:38 »
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01  06  021245Z JUN  17  RR      UUUU                 

            NDHQ CMP OTTAWA
            CANFORGEN
UNCLAS CANFORGEN 101/17 CMP 051/17
SIC WAS
BILINGUAL MESSAGE/MESSAGE BILINGUE
SUBJECT: PAY/ALLOWANCES INCREASES
REFS: A. CANFORGEN 091/13 CMP 041/13 161620Z MAY 13
B. CBI 204 EFFECTIVE 1 APR 17
C. CBI 205 EFFECTIVE 1 APR 17
D. CBI 11 EFFECTIVE 1 APR 17
1. THIS CANFORGEN IS TO INFORM ALL CAF REG F AND RES F MEMBERS OF
THE TREASURY BOARD APPROVED MULTI-YEAR ECONOMIC INCREASES TO PAY AND
ALLOWANCES, AS WELL AS A MILITARY FACTOR INCREASE TO PAY. THESE
INCREASES TO CAF PAY REPRESENT A COMPOUNDED INCREASE OF 6.34 PERCENT
TO PAY, AND 5.1 PERCENT TO ALLOWANCES, OVER THE LAST INCREASE WHICH
TOOK EFFECT 1 APRIL 2013 (REF A)
2. FOR NCMS, GSO AND PILOTS, IN THE RANK OF LCOL AND BELOW, AND
MEDICAL AND DENTAL OFFICERS, FOUR PAY INCREASES OF 1.25 PERCENT EACH
WILL TAKE EFFECT RETROACTIVELY ON 1 APRIL OF 2014, 2015, 2016 AND
2017 (REF B)
3. ENVIRONMENTAL ALLOWANCES, SPECIAL OPS ASSAULTER ALLOWANCE,
SUBMARINE CREWING ALLOWANCE, STRESS ALLOWANCE FOR TEST PARTICIPANTS
AND SPECIAL ALLOWANCE CFS ALERT, WILL ALSO BE RETROACTIVELY
INCREASED BY 1.25 PERCENT ON 1 APRIL OF 2014, 2015, 2016 AND 2017
(REFS C AND D)
4. ADDITIONALLY, NCMS, GSO AND PILOTS, IN THE RANK OF LCOL AND
BELOW, AND MEDICAL AND DENTAL OFFICERS, WILL SEE A FURTHER 1.2
PERCENT INCREASE TO THEIR PAY, EFFECTIVE 1 APRIL 2016, RESULTING
FROM AN INCREASE TO THE MILITARY FACTOR. THE MILITARY FACTOR
COMPENSATES CAF MEMBERS FOR THE UNIQUE CONDITIONS AND REQUIREMENTS
OF MILITARY SERVICE. SPECIFICALLY, IT PROVIDES TANGIBLE RECOGNITION
OF THE SEPARATION FROM FAMILIES, POSTING TURBULENCE AND THE
LIMITATION OF PERSONAL FREEDOMS RESULTING FROM THE REQUIREMENT TO
ADHERE TO THE CODE OF SERVICE DISCIPLINE, ALL OF WHICH ARE
APPLICABLE TO CAF MEMBERS THROUGHOUT THEIR CAREER AND WHICH DO NOT
SIMILARLY AFFECT THE VAST MAJORITY OF PUBLIC SERVANTS. WITH THIS 1
APRIL 2016 INCREASE, THE MILITARY FACTOR FOR THE AFOREMENTIONED CAF
MEMBERS IS NOW 8.7 PERCENT
5. MEMBERS SHOULD RECEIVE THEIR LUMP SUM PAYMENTS FOR THE
RETROACTIVE 1 APRIL 2014 TO 1 APRIL 2017 PAY INCREASES STARTING END
JUNE 2017
6. THE REVISED RATES OF PAY AND ALLOWANCES ARE AVAILABLE ON THE FOL
WEBSITES:
http://HTTP://WWW.FORCES.GC.CA/EN/ABOUT-POLICIES-STANDARDS-BENEFITS/CH-204-PAY-POLICY-OFFICERS-NCMS.PAGE
AND
http://HTTP://WWW.FORCES.GC.CA/EN/ABOUT-POLICIES-STANDARDS-BENEFITS/CH-205-OFFICER-NCM-ALLOWANCE-RATES.PAGE

7. PAY INCREASES FOR GENERAL OFFICERS, COL, AND LEGAL OFFICERS ARE
SUBJECT TO A SEPARATE PAY PROCESS AND WILL BE ANNOUNCED AT A LATER
DATE
8. DND AND THE CAF REMAIN COMMITTED TO ENSURING THAT CAF MEMBERS ARE
PROVIDED WITH A REWARDING CAREER, OUTSTANDING TRAINING AND NEW
EQUIPMENT, AND THAT PAY, BENEFITS, SUPPORT AND OPPORTUNITIES
CONTINUE TO BE WORLD-CLASS
END OF ENGLISH TEXT / LE TEXTE FRANCAIS SUIT
OBJET : AUGMENTATION DE LA SOLDE / DES INDEMNITES
REFS: A. CANFORGEN 091/13 CMP 041/13 161620Z MAY 13
B. DRAS 204 EFFECTIVE 1 AVR 17
C. DRAS 205 EFFECTIVE 1 AVR 17
D. DRAS 11 EFFECTIVE 1 AVR 17
1. CE CANFORGEN A POUR BUT D’INFORMER LES MEMBRES DES FAC DE LA F
REG ET DE LA F RES DE LA DECISSION DU CONSEIL DU TRESOR D’APPROUVER
UNE AUGMENTATION ECONOMIQUE BASEE SUR PLUSIEURS ANNEES DE LA SOLDE
DE BASE, DES INDEMNITES DE MEME QUE LE FACTEUR MILITAIRE DE LA
SOLDE. CELA REPRESENTE UN CUMULATIF DE 6.34 POURCENT ET DE 5.1
POURCENT DES INDEMNITES ECHELONNE DEPUIS LA DERNIERE AUGMENTATION
EFFECTIVE DU 1 AVRIL 2013 (REF A)
2. POUR LES MILITAIRES DU RANG, LES OFFICIERS DU SERVICE GENERAL,
PILOTES DU RANG DE LCOL ET DE RANGS INFERIEURS, LES OFFICIERS
MEDICALS ET DENTALS AURONT QUATRE AUGMENTATIONS EGALES DE SOLDE DE
1.25 POURCENT RETROACTIVES AU 1 AVRIL 2014, 2015, 2016, ET 2017 (REF
B)
3. POUR LES INDEMNITES D’ENVIRONNEMENT, INDEMNITES DE COMBATTANT DE
LA FORCE D’INTERVENTION SPECIALE, INDEMNITES DE SOUS-MARINIER,
INDEMNITES DES SUJETS D’EXPERIENCE, ET LES PRIMES DE SERVICE-STATION
DES FORCES CANADIENNE (SFC) ALERT, RECEVERONT AUSSI UNE AUGMENTATION
RETROACTIVE DE 1.25 POURCENT AU 1 AVRIL 2014, 2015, 2016 ET 2017
(REFS C AND D)
4. POUR LES MILITAIRES DU RANG, LES OFFICIERS DU SERVICE GENERAL,
PILOTES DU RANG DE LCOL ET DE RANGS INFERIEURS, LES OFFICIERS
MEDICALS ET DENTALS, VERONT UNE AUGMENTATION ADITIONNELLE DE 1.2
PERCENT EFFECTIVE LE 1 AVRIL 2016 RELIEE A UNE AUGMENTATION DU
FACTEUR MILITAIRE. LE FACTEUR MILITAIRE COMPENSE LES MEMBRES DES
FORCES ARMEES CANADIENNES POUR LES CONDITIONS UNIQUES ET LES
DEMANDES DU SERVICE MILITAIRE EN PLUS DE DONNER UNE RECONNAISSANCE
TANGIBLE POUR LES SEPARATIONS DES FAMILLES, LES DIFFICULTES DES
MUTATIONS ET LES LIMITES PERSONNELLES LIEES AU RESPECT DU CODE DE
DICIPLINE DE CONDUITE MILITAIRE, TOUT CECI ETANT APPLICABLE AUX
MEMBRES DES FAC DURANT LEUR CARRIERE ET QUI NE SE REFLETE PAS AU
SEIN DE LA MAJORITE DES POSTES DE LA FONCTION PUBLIQUE.  AVEC CETTE
AUGMENTATION DEBUTANT LE 1 AVRIL 2016 LE FACTEUR MILITAIRE EST
MAINTENANT DE 8.7 POURCENT
5. LES MEMBRES DEVERAIENT RECEVOIR LEUR ARRIERAGE DU 1 AVRIL 2014 AU
1 AVRIL 2017 A LA PERIODE DE PAYE DEBUTANT A LA FIN JUIN 2017
6. LES TAUX REVISES SONT DISPONIBLES AUX SITES WEB SUIVANTS:
http://HTTP://WWW.FORCES.GC.CA/FR/A-PROPOS-POLITIQUES-NORMES-AVANTAGES/CH-204-SOLDE-OFFICIERS-MILITAIRES-RANG.PAGE
ET
http://HTTP://WWW.FORCES.GC.CA/FR/A-PROPOS-POLITIQUES-NORMES-AVANTAGES/CH-205-INDEMNITES-OFFICIERS-MILITAIRES-RANG.PAGE
7. POUR LES OFFICIERS GENERAUX, COL ET OFFICIERS LEGAUX 
L’AUGMENTATION EST SUJET A UN PROCESSUS SEPARE QUI SERA ANNONCE
ULTERIEUREMENT
8. LE MDN ET LES FAC RESTE DETERMINER A DONNER UNE CARRIERE
ENRICHISSANTE, DES ENTRAINEMENTS EXCEPTIONNELS, DE NOUVEAUX
EQUIPMENTS ET QUE LA SOLDE, LES BENIFICES, LES SUPPORTS ET LES
OPPORTUNITIES RESTERONT DE CLASSE INTERNATIONALE

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