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Re: All Things Socks (merged)
« Reply #50 on: July 12, 2007, 13:43:15 »
Socks, Deset, Tan : Issued to members being deployed to arid regions. These socks are one time issue, specifically for deployment (socks may be exchanged in theater of operations if avail.) Worn in conjunction with desert boots or the Tropical Dress Uniform. Initial issue of 5 or 8 pr depending on operation.

Wore these for over 15 years (washed after each use of course  ;D), loved em forever.  Hard to replace though...


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Re: All Things Socks (merged)
« Reply #51 on: July 18, 2007, 10:38:12 »
Thanks again for all the helpful info.
I am going to do my best to get our Wigwam socks in the trial processes with the military, but it is a hard process from what I have seen.

I truly believe that we could provide the best 3 sock program possible so that is the next goal.

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Re: All Things Socks (merged)
« Reply #52 on: July 18, 2007, 13:00:29 »
I've only ever used the socks issued at basic (the Woll, grey, and the Black 'dress' socks), I've just layered the black ones under the wool and have yet to get a blister, etc. Though I'm intrested in the Wigwam socks, as they look quite useful.
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Re: All Things Socks (merged)
« Reply #53 on: July 29, 2007, 02:50:24 »
I've only every been issued the grey wool/nylon socks and I've never had problems.  I got short issued (only 3 pr), I bought two or three more and I ordered four or five more through LU so I think now I have around ten pairs.  They tend to fit better when they are newer, but the newer they are the more likely I am to get itchy legs when I take them off.  With the older pairs, I don't have this problem.  Never got any blisters from them.
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Re: All Things Socks (merged)
« Reply #54 on: July 29, 2007, 03:41:41 »
I've gone away from the 3 sock system completely, and over all... military socks in general. I don't even wear MkIIIs anymore. I just wear regular white cotton sport socks with my Magnums, and they haven't blistered or anything after my BFT and other walks.

I found the same flimsy problem with the liner sock. The green socks sort of crustiness is there too. However, I will admit that they were comfortable as hell new when I got them issued at Gagetown on my CAP course. These socks helped a bunch on those marches.

I haven't tried the WigWam socks yet. But heard nothing but good things about them. Maybe I will after this...
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Re: All Things Socks (merged)
« Reply #55 on: July 29, 2007, 04:04:19 »
I wear SmartWool religiously, as I find it to be absolutely, hands down, WAY better than anything else I've ever tried when sitting around in a nice safe place like Canada.  I do have a question though:

Do any medics on the board have anything to say about SmartWool or similar fabrics and their use on deployment?  I've had the great fortune to never be on fire before, and I'd be interested to hear what the experts have to say regarding all of the issued and non issued next-to-skin items out there- particularly in regard to FR and possible wearer injury.

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Desert Socks?! What's the deal?
« Reply #56 on: August 08, 2007, 22:54:46 »
So I was just issued eight pairs of khaki desert socks for deployment to Afghanistan.  They say khaki on the tag, even though they are really more like a green.  Anyways I try them on when I get home and the damn things are freaking long as hell.  They go up mid theigh on me and they look more like a woman's nylons than army socks.  My question is why are they soo freaking long and what practical reason is there for this?  Also can any of you who've already been to the sandbox tell me what you would recommend for doing infantry work over there.  What kind of socksare the best over there?  Thanks

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Re: Desert Socks?! What's the deal?
« Reply #57 on: August 08, 2007, 23:02:22 »
Sorry to nit pick; but what colour did you think Khaki was?  It isn't Tan.

We used to paint our vehicles with a standard three colour pattern.  Those colours were Black, Green and Khaki. 

Just wondering.

Now the length of the socks.  Have you seen any pictures from the Second World War, or from any recent time as a matter of fact, of soldiers in the Middle Eastern deserts wearing shorts?  Have you noticed their socks?

I'll now leave you to those who have been wearing them to comment on what are good and what are bad points.
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Re: Desert Socks?! What's the deal?
« Reply #58 on: August 08, 2007, 23:02:36 »
Use the socks you were issued, just fold them down. For me thay were the best for my feet.
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Re: Desert Socks?! What's the deal?
« Reply #59 on: August 08, 2007, 23:03:16 »
Mid thy, as in 'CFM boot mid thy' or do you mean mid lower leg???

AKA, the Rocky Horror Picture Show look   ;D
 
Ours are long too, but they are folded over, not a problem.

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Re: Desert Socks?! What's the deal?
« Reply #60 on: August 08, 2007, 23:28:05 »
So I was just issued eight pairs of khaki desert socks for deployment to Afghanistan.  They say khaki on the tag, even though they are really more like a green.  Anyways I try them on when I get home and the damn things are freaking long as hell.  They go up mid theigh on me and they look more like a woman's nylons than army socks.  My question is why are they soo freaking long and what practical reason is there for this?  Also can any of you who've already been to the sandbox tell me what you would recommend for doing infantry work over there.  What kind of socksare the best over there?  Thanks

Sounds like those that I was issued when I went to Iran in '88.  Although we were in combat throughout that tour, we were issued those socks - which I THINK were meant to go with the "hot weather dress uniform" (kharki shorts and short sleeve shirt) worn in Cyprus at the time.  I could be wrong - I was never in Cyprus (except on leave).

Regardless their origin - if those you have been issued are the same as the ones I was issued, they are good next to the skin socks - they wick the moisture away from the foot fairly well.  They're meant to be worn midway up the calf, and folded over on themselves, forming a "cuff".

Seems to me I still have a pair or two hanging around (I don't wear them much).
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Re: Desert Socks?! What's the deal?
« Reply #61 on: August 08, 2007, 23:28:28 »
My question is why are they soo freaking long and what practical reason is there for this? 

Two words; Sand Fleas... enjoy.  ;)


Also can any of you who've already been to the sandbox tell me what you would recommend for doing infantry work over there.  What kind of socksare the best over there?  Thanks

I used the issued 'stockings' and they worked well for me.... some guys wore white sports socks, some guys used the issued black stockings...  Go with what you find comfortable. But I'd suggest using the issued socks. They're made for a reason.
And like everyone else has said; just roll them down.

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Re: Desert Socks?! What's the deal?
« Reply #62 on: August 08, 2007, 23:42:40 »
Fold them down like others have said and you won't have a problem. They are comfortable and do a pretty good job of wicking sweat away.

I found the desert socks wore out after about 3 months so I bought tube socks at the PX.

Their cheap and if they get ratty you can turf them. $3 US for a pack of 8...can't beat that.

Seems to me that a few of the guys were wearing another kind of sock that was popular, but a bit on the pricey side.

Wigwam....I think?

Speaking of ratty, your desert boots are going to get real funky.....Lysol to the rescue.       ;)

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Re: Desert Socks?! What's the deal?
« Reply #63 on: August 09, 2007, 00:37:58 »
Wigwam's are the cat's meow.  I wore then exclusively over there and even on the hottest days they fared excellent in comparison the issued desert socks.  Issued ones wear out too fast and are too thin(I find) for any kind of comfort.  I would highly recommend Wigwam (the Merino/silk ones rock) if you are a soldier that will be spending most of your time outside the wire.  They last a whole lot longer than anything issued and are by far some of the most comfortable socks you'll buy.  Lots of stores have them and yes they may be pricey but if ya buy one pair a pay for a few months your collection adds up.
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Re: Desert Socks?! What's the deal?
« Reply #64 on: August 09, 2007, 08:10:56 »
WRT issued things that wear out....

- they can be exchanged - if they are in stock and your RQ is doing his job right....

Problem with "gucci" kit is that, if it's stolen, lost or damaged, it's only going to be replaced on your nickle.
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Re: Desert Socks?! What's the deal?
« Reply #65 on: August 09, 2007, 08:57:40 »
WRT issued things that wear out....

- they can be exchanged - if they are in stock and your RQ is doing his job right....

Just to reinforce geo's point;  They're fairly well stocked over there when it comes to socks, undies and t-shirts (less on the T-shirts)... at least when I was there they were, and hopefully they're more so stocked now. 

AND;

Problem with "gucci" kit is that, if it's stolen, lost or damaged, it's only going to be replaced on your nickle.
Let the Gov't spend your tax dollars on you :)

Remember too... If there's blood on it, yours or others, it is contaminated and will be destroyed.

The gucci gear is sometimes more cumfortable/usefull/better in everyway but usually comes at a high price, especially when lost, stolen or damaged.



BTW: besides being a form of shelter, and in reference to the topic at hand; what are Wigwams? 
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Re: Desert Socks?! What's the deal?
« Reply #66 on: August 09, 2007, 09:24:56 »
Wigwam socks are about the best you can buy,the Outlast socks were all I wore over there.

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Re: Desert Socks?! What's the deal?
« Reply #67 on: August 09, 2007, 09:33:43 »
Wigwam socks are about the best you can buy,the Outlast socks were all I wore over there.

By chance, do you have a link to a supplier/maker? (if they're available online) 
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Re: Desert Socks?! What's the deal?
« Reply #68 on: August 09, 2007, 09:44:39 »
Harder to find, but better...

Thorlo.

To answer teh original question...The issue desert socks are long to protect your lower legs to your knee. They were designed (now this should not suprise anyone...) and intially procured at a time when Cdn soldiers (read peacekeepers) wore shorts with thier uniforms. The top of the sock is folded down so that the top edge of cloth would be an inch or so below the knee. Worn this way protects against sand and insects while still being fairly cool.

If worn in our current situation with a unbloused pant leg...the sock still provides a bit more protection up the shin than shorter non-issued socks...esp if you are spraying on Permethrin on your lower pant leg to keep Sand Flys and other cooties out.
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Re: Desert Socks?! What's the deal?
« Reply #69 on: August 09, 2007, 10:39:25 »
esp if you are spraying on Permethrin on your lower pant leg to keep Sand Flys and other cooties out.

Shouldn't have to be spraying Permethrin on, the uniform should already be treated.
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Re: Desert Socks?! What's the deal?
« Reply #70 on: August 09, 2007, 12:06:48 »
Shouldn't have to be spraying Permethrin on, the uniform should already be treated.

On prior rotos, the stuff was being sprayed on in theatre.  Believe new kit is being treated prior to issue... but, might it not be necessary to "reload" after 6 mths? ( NCE are in theatre for 9 mths )
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Re: Desert Socks?! What's the deal?
« Reply #71 on: August 09, 2007, 13:13:22 »
I wore grey PT socks.  They were a little warmer but I found more comfortable & made the boot fit better.  I used the issue socks as boot covers to keep critters out while I slept.  They seemed to do well for that.

new kit is being treated prior to issue...
Kit was treated by the soldier after issue & before deployment.

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Re: Desert Socks?! What's the deal?
« Reply #72 on: August 09, 2007, 13:14:25 »
On prior rotos, the stuff was being sprayed on in theatre.  Believe new kit is being treated prior to issue... but, might it not be necessary to "reload" after 6 mths? ( NCE are in theatre for 9 mths )

For long tours, we don't use the spray as it washes out after six launderings.  The permethrin dip treatment is "good" for six months.  Yes, people on longer tours should have their uniforms retreated.  That would be something to bring up with the PMeds on camp. 
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Re: Desert Socks?! What's the deal?
« Reply #73 on: August 09, 2007, 14:36:02 »
  They go up mid theigh on me and they look more like a woman's nylons than army socks. 

Three words, Man-Love-Thursday's. Just try to find an extra long tshirt and throw on a belt.

Seriously though, I tried to keep a couple pairs in reserve for towards the end of the tour. I stayed in KAF the whole time but had my feet in boots upwards of 14+ hours a day and the wore out quick. But the issues ones were a great 'weight' i.e thickness, and I just folded them down.
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Cold Weather Socks
« Reply #74 on: November 29, 2008, 19:12:30 »
Did a search and couldn't find an answer to this question (believe it or not). I'm looking for a good set of cold weather socks, I use the Wigwam base camp fusion (or whatever they call them now) socks for summer, spring etc. I've heard they work well in winter as well, although I can't really wrap my head around the concept of a sock that functions well at +30 and -30. Anyways, does anyone have any recommendations (preferrably from a retailer then I can go to to check them out before I buy them, I'm in SW Ontario near the GTA)?