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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #2475 on: April 05, 2019, 08:09:12 »
Great. That will officially consign our air force to 3rd world status... oh, wait... 4th world :)

I know what you mean, but technically incorrect
1st World is "the West"
2nd World is "the East", formerly the Soviet bloc, but today could include Russia, China, etc.
3rd World is the non-aligned world

I think the correct term would be 4th rate  :P

So, there I was....

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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #2476 on: April 05, 2019, 11:57:34 »
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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #2477 on: April 15, 2019, 13:16:39 »
And when will see actual IOC for the planes? Second part of piece is basically pro-Gripen E propaganda but note part about Russian A2/AD:

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Canada's fighter jet tender competition (finally) takes off next month
Attempts to replace 3-decade-old CF-18s began in 2010, but have been mired in politics

The politically charged competition to replace Canada's aging fleet of fighter jets will rocket forward at the end of May as the federal government releases a long-anticipated, full-fledged tender call.

There are four companies in the running: Saab of Sweden, Airbus Defence and Space out of Britain, and the American firms Boeing and Lockheed Martin.

Once the request for proposals is released, the manufacturers will have until the end of the year to submit bids [emphasis added, i.e. after the election], defence and industry sources told CBC News.

It was the former Conservative government that kicked off the effort to replace the three-decade-old CF-18s in 2010, an attempt that was shot down in a dispute over the way the F-35 fighter was selected.

The program became mired in politics when the Liberals promised during the 2015 election campaign not to buy the stealth jet. A final decision will now have to wait until after this fall's election...

There has been a rigorous political and academic debate about whether Canada should choose a legacy design from the 1990s, such as the Gripen, or the recently introduced Lockheed Martin F-35 stealth fighter.

The notion that stealth fighters are needed for conflicts with countries like Russia — countries that have advanced air defence systems — was partly dismissed by the Swedish Defence Research Agency in a recent report.

Russia's anti-access/areas-denial weapons (known as A2/AD) are not all they're cracked up to be, said the report released last month, which looked at the use of such systems in the Syria conflict.

"Much has in recent years been made of Russia's new capabilities and the impact they might have on the ability of NATO member states to reinforce or defend the vulnerable Baltic states in case of crisis or war," said the report.

"On closer inspection, however, Russia's capabilities are not quite as daunting, especially if potential countermeasures are factored in."
https://www.cbc.ca/news/SOMNIA-1.5096811

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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #2478 on: April 15, 2019, 13:35:13 »
I feel like they have all the information they need to do this in 6 months not 1 year
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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #2479 on: April 15, 2019, 13:41:41 »
It isn't Procurement, it is the manufacturers who have to have the time to put together an offer that is compliant with the requirements of the competition.  Once the previous procurement agreement was scuttled it was back to square one for everybody and that takes time.  Besides it takes the entire issue out of the election. 

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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #2480 on: April 15, 2019, 15:53:18 »
Assuming the manufacturers are interested in investing the time, money and aggravation necessary to submit a bid for 60 to 80 aircraft to a country that has a track record of tearing up contracts.
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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #2481 on: April 15, 2019, 15:58:15 »
Assuming the manufacturers are interested in investing the time, money and aggravation necessary to submit a bid for 60 to 80 aircraft to a country that has a track record of tearing up contracts.

Since we've contracted our AOR requirements previously to both Spain and Chile, why don't we just do the same with our NORAD and NATO obligations and pay the USAF to take over these responsibilities.  If it makes anyone happy, we can put our roundel on the planes.....

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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #2482 on: April 15, 2019, 15:59:07 »
Assuming the manufacturers are interested in investing the time, money and aggravation necessary to submit a bid for 60 to 80 aircraft to a country that has a track record of tearing up contracts.

Time will tell but im willing to bet the RFP will be written in a way to not include the F35 or make some other craft seem the favourite
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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #2483 on: April 15, 2019, 16:17:13 »
At the rate decision making is happening it may be more beneficial to go into the USAF's "6th Generation" fighter program. At least this way we will be getting fresh, new airframes...
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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #2484 on: April 15, 2019, 16:47:08 »
We will probably pick up used F-35 once everyone else switches to hypersonic UCAVs.

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Re: The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
« Reply #2485 on: Yesterday at 20:26:05 »
Found a pretty in depth Reddit post breaking down the specs of each aircraft in the CAF's fighter replacement program. Keep in mind the Rafale has been pulled by Dassault, so those numbers are useless for the discussion:

https://www.reddit.com/r/F35Lightning/comments/5fv9he/combat_radius_of_western_multirole_fighters/