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Re: Canada 150th Anniversary of Confederation Medal
« Reply #50 on: August 30, 2016, 18:27:29 »
Part of the problem is clearly the nonsense system we have regarding commemorative medals. If they're commemorative, why are we attaching merit to them?

It really should be an everyone or no one situation.

I know the "buttons and bows" police will have me for this, but even if the CF were on the hook for 100,000 medals. At $25-$40 to produce we're talking a pittance in the grand scheme of things.
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Re: Canada 150th Anniversary of Confederation Medal
« Reply #51 on: August 30, 2016, 20:44:03 »

. . .  but even if the CF were on the hook for 100,000 medals. At $25-$40 to produce we're talking a pittance in the grand scheme of things.

Even though the CF may be the prime wearer of buttons and bows in Canada (and may be the originator of many of our medals) a "Buck and a Half Medal", being a nation wide commemorative award (like all the other of its ilk) would have originated and been funded through the Heritage Minister.  It was the same in the UK with the Jubilee medals.  As well, not only were the medals (the Gold and Diamond variety at least) widely distributed within the armed forces, the same criteria was applied to any government employee who could conceivably be considered in a uniformed service.  So you would possibly have to include all police, fire services, EMS, Coast Guard, corrections, et al within the calculation on top of the civvies well liked by MPs.  Even then, there will be groups that feel excluded, much like some in the UK who felt excluded from "the integrity and exclusiveness of the medal" - however 450,000 is not that exclusive.
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Re: Canada 150th Anniversary of Confederation Medal
« Reply #52 on: August 30, 2016, 20:50:03 »
Regardless of the decision - Canada 150 or not, all or some, the CAF will somehow survive and pull through.

Much ado about not much of anything.
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Re: Canada 150th Anniversary of Confederation Medal
« Reply #53 on: August 30, 2016, 21:00:33 »
Much ado about not much of anything.

Three pages, and counting, of ado!
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Re: Canada 150th Anniversary of Confederation Medal
« Reply #54 on: August 30, 2016, 23:09:41 »
At the rate they're going with getting medals set up for named Operations,(*cough* Reassurance and Unifier *cough*) I can assume it would most likely end up being a 152 or 153 medal when it starts making its way onto the chests of the "deserving." ::)

Unless they expedite commemoration medals over all others ;D
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Re: Canada 150th Anniversary of Confederation Medal
« Reply #55 on: August 30, 2016, 23:52:04 »
Three pages, and counting, of ado!

I was about to comment that I can't believe we're still talking about this...

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Re: Canada 150th Anniversary of Confederation Medal
« Reply #56 on: August 31, 2016, 06:47:21 »
Part of the problem is clearly the nonsense system we have regarding commemorative medals. If they're commemorative, why are we attaching merit to them?


Because unlike '67, they are not making enough for all uniformed troops which is really how official commemoratives have been distributed prior to 1992.  Thus in order for the receivers not to look like the unit suck units they attach conditions. 
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Re: Canada 150th Anniversary of Confederation Medal
« Reply #57 on: August 31, 2016, 07:36:57 »
Because unlike '67, they are not making enough for all uniformed troops which is really how official commemoratives have been distributed prior to 1992.  Thus in order for the receivers not to look like the unit suck units they attach conditions.

The centennial medal was not on general distribution. In fact it was awarded on a very limited basis; in A Battery 1 RCHA only one or two members received it, out of an establishment of over 150 all ranks.

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Re: Canada 150th Anniversary of Confederation Medal
« Reply #58 on: August 31, 2016, 07:43:59 »
The centennial medal was not on general distribution. In fact it was awarded on a very limited basis; in A Battery 1 RCHA only one or two members received it, out of an establishment of over 150 all ranks.

Really?  Interesting all my ex brothers in law (3) have it.  They were Ptes in RHC at the time, two at Altershot and one at Gagetown.  One of my current brothers in law has it, he would have been a MP Pte at Halifax or Debert at the time.
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Re: Canada 150th Anniversary of Confederation Medal
« Reply #59 on: August 31, 2016, 07:46:49 »
Neither was the Queen's silver Jubilee medal in 1977: Limited distribution also. So I don't understand the reference to 1992, Lightguns.

Personally, I agree that for commemorative medals, it should be general distribution to anyone who serves in the "commemorated event" year and has completed his/her basic. It's not like we have so many medals and ribbons in the CAF that we have to worry about running out of space on our dress uniforms ... unlike some other countries that shall remain nameless.  :-X

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Re: Canada 150th Anniversary of Confederation Medal
« Reply #60 on: August 31, 2016, 07:51:15 »
Neither was the Queen's silver Jubilee medal in 1977: Limited distribution also. So I don't understand the reference to 1992, Lightguns.

Personally, I agree that for commemorative medals, it should be general distribution to anyone who serves in the "commemorated event" year and has completed his/her basic. It's not like we have so many medals and ribbons in the CAF that we have to worry about running out of space on our dress uniforms ... unlike some other countries that shall remain nameless.  :-X

I seem to be misinformed or transposing British distribution with Canadian.  There seems to be no general distribution in Canada history, so my argument is moot.  Anyone know if the Coronation Medal was general distribution?  I heard only for Canadians on parade during the coronation.
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Re: Canada 150th Anniversary of Confederation Medal
« Reply #61 on: August 31, 2016, 08:52:28 »
I seem to be misinformed or transposing British distribution with Canadian.  There seems to be no general distribution in Canada history, so my argument is moot.  Anyone know if the Coronation Medal was general distribution?  I heard only for Canadians on parade during the coronation.

I joined in 1957, so it was before my time. However, I recall seeing a few people wearing it, most of whom were not in the contingent that marched in the parade.

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Re: Canada 150th Anniversary of Confederation Medal
« Reply #62 on: August 31, 2016, 08:57:59 »
I joined in 1957, so it was before my time. However, I recall seeing a few people wearing it, most of whom were not in the contingent that marched in the parade.

Would they have been some of the "Queen's Cpl's" who were presented medals by the Sovereign during a visit?
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Re: Canada 150th Anniversary of Confederation Medal
« Reply #63 on: August 31, 2016, 09:17:26 »
Would they have been some of the "Queen's Cpl's" who were presented medals by the Sovereign during a visit?

As some were fairly senior officers, probably not. It seems to me that commemorative medals, other than the ones given to GOFOs, COs and RSMs, were used to recognize people for doing a good job.

Some people considered it a mixed blessing. Brig EAC Amy, who was commanding 4 CIBG in 1967, noted that he would have to have his medals remounted, and his ribbons adjusted. This was at his own expense, by the way. Before the event, he had 16 medals, starting with DSO, OBE, MC and then a bunch of service medals and a CD.

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Re: Canada 150th Anniversary of Confederation Medal
« Reply #64 on: August 31, 2016, 09:40:07 »
I seem to be misinformed or transposing British distribution with Canadian.  There seems to be no general distribution in Canada history, so my argument is moot.  Anyone know if the Coronation Medal was general distribution?  I heard only for Canadians on parade during the coronation.

My dad had that medal in his set.  I don't believe he was on parade during the Coronation.
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Re: Canada 150th Anniversary of Confederation Medal
« Reply #65 on: August 31, 2016, 10:54:12 »
I seem to be misinformed or transposing British distribution with Canadian.  There seems to be no general distribution in Canada history, so my argument is moot.  Anyone know if the Coronation Medal was general distribution?  I heard only for Canadians on parade during the coronation.

Cobbled together from both the VAC site and the DND site.

http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/remembrance/medals-decorations/commemorative-medals
http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/honours-history-medals-chart/medals-chart-index.page

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King George V Silver Jubilee Medal (1935)
There were 7,500 medals to Canadians, of which 1,154 were to the Canadian Forces. A total of 85,235 were issued.

King George VI Coronation Medal (1937)
There were 90,279 issued in total, with 10,089 to Canadians.

Queen Elizabeth II Coronation Medal (1953)
Of the 138,214 total medals issued, 12,500 went to Canadians.  (no longer listed on DND site with CF numbers who received it- no longer any serving)

Canadian Centennial Medal (1967)
There were 29,500 issued, of which 8,500 went to the Canadian Armed Forces.

Queen Elizabeth II Silver Jubilee Medal (1977)
Canadian Version:
There were 30,000 medals issued, including 7,000 to the Canadian Forces, 5,500 to the regular force and 1,500 to the reserve forces. The regular force breakdown of medals was 1,500 to officers (all general officers; 50% of Colonels; 25% LCols; 20% Majors; 5% Captains; & 5% Lieutenants or equivalent naval ranks) and 4,000 to other ranks (50% CWOs; 25% MWOs; 15% WOs; 5% Sergeants; 5% Master Corporals; and 5% Corporals). The reserve force awards were made on a proportionate strength basis to the land, sea and air components, the Cadet Instructors List, the Canadian Rangers and to those holding honourary appointments. The Commanding Officer of each unit decided who in the unit would receive medals.

British Version:
There were 30,000 British medals given out including 9,000 to the British Armed Forces.

Commemorative Medal for the 125th Anniversary of Confederation (1992)
The Medal was awarded to approximately 42,000 highly esteemed Canadians, from all walks of life, from every region of Canada, from varied ethno-cultural backgrounds and from a multitude of disciplines. (of which 4 000 were awarded to members of the Canadian Forces.)

Queen Elizabeth II Golden Jubilee Medal
An estimated 46,000 medals were issued, of which approximately 9,600 were awarded to members of the Canadian Forces.

Queen Elizabeth II's Diamond Jubilee Medal
. . . During the anniversary year, 60 000 medals will be awarded, of which 11 000 will recognize members of the Canadian Forces. . . .



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Re: Canada 150th Anniversary of Confederation Medal
« Reply #66 on: August 31, 2016, 11:53:40 »
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Re: Canada 150th Anniversary of Confederation Medal
« Reply #67 on: September 01, 2016, 18:17:37 »
Well,

It appears a Canada 150 medal is not entirely mythical.

The Legion is issuing it's own commemorative version of the medal,
since the government has declined officially to note the event.

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Re: Canada 150th Anniversary of Confederation Medal
« Reply #68 on: September 01, 2016, 23:51:17 »
It appears a Canada 150 medal is not entirely mythical.
The Legion is issuing it's own commemorative version of the medal...
Well, for the folks wanting a 'gimme medal' and  those concerned with the Legion's dwindling membership, it seems like a perfect solution.   

Call ENDEX and lock the thread.     :cheers:

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Re: Canada 150th Anniversary of Confederation Medal
« Reply #69 on: September 02, 2016, 00:08:32 »
Call ENDEX and lock the thread.     :cheers:
This thread has at least three more bad and/or stupid suggestions left in it.

... And for the sake of momentum, here is one now:

Let's replace CDS and L1 Comd commendations with a 150 medal for one year.  Not only does this resolve the distribution question, it save all recipients from having to arrange those little commendation pins on their uniforms.

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Re: Canada 150th Anniversary of Confederation Medal
« Reply #70 on: September 02, 2016, 00:13:02 »
Not only does this resolve the distribution question, it save all recipients from having to arrange those little commendation pins on their uniforms.
Ahhh....and the medal-mounting folks can then enjoy the same benefits as the badge-embroiderers and the HQ sign-painters!  :salute:

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Re: Canada 150th Anniversary of Confederation Medal
« Reply #71 on: September 02, 2016, 07:50:47 »
Or how about awarding it to every serving member of every Reserve unit whose average paid strength is less than half the heritage they claim.  So, for example, a unit that parades forty people and claims direct lineage to the start of WWI would get it, since 40 is less than half the heritage they claim.
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