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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #925 on: May 14, 2019, 13:23:27 »
The investigation and referral for charges happened under Bob Paulson, who was a Harper appointee. The issue seems to have been that the RCMP were only given one name to investigate by PCO out of the 72 PCO knew to have been able to leak the information. That’s where the political interference took place.

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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #926 on: May 14, 2019, 16:51:31 »
Ugh, Ken Hansen was interviewed on CTV as a 'military insider' on this.

No idea how a retired three ringer, who has no experience with procurement, working in requirements, or being a GOFO, but why does this guy keep getting called up as a talking head all the time??

https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/video?binId=1.1145507#1.1145518

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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #927 on: May 14, 2019, 17:00:35 »
The inherent self confident ignorance of being a MARS officer?
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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #928 on: May 14, 2019, 17:44:52 »
The inherent self confident ignorance of being a MARS officer?
But there are so many of us to choose from...

Ken’s claim to media fame is as a Dalhousie security studies prof. He’s one of relatively few on that beat who are naval officers, so I guess it was inevitable he might weigh in. I have to say I’m in complete disagreement with him, though.

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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #929 on: May 14, 2019, 19:18:18 »
VCDS Norman should never have been charged unless there was evidence of personal benefit, unless the Crown felt that the public good was served by changing precedent.

Perhaps the RCMP and prosecution half assed it on purpose? What other reason can there be for their poor performance?

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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #930 on: May 14, 2019, 19:21:02 »
The inherent self confident ignorance of being a MARS officer NWO?

There, fixed that for you.

It just doesn't have the same ring to it, does it? ;D

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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #931 on: May 15, 2019, 06:33:19 »
CTV is reporting that the House has voted unanimously to apologize the VAdm Norman.  Now, let's see who gets tagged with making that apology.
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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #932 on: May 15, 2019, 07:10:44 »
No one will get tagged. This is not a Government apology, it's an apology from the House of Commons made by way of Motion, which BTW will let the Government continue with it's "all due process was followed" line and not apologizing otherwise on behalf of the Government.

The normal procedure, since it relates to a specific person, is for the Speaker of the House to forward a certified copy of the motion to the appropriate party with a cover letter. All this is prepared by his/her staff on behalf of the HoC.

P.S. These type of motions are non-binding on the Government.

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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #933 on: May 15, 2019, 07:19:19 »
Maybe we'll get treated to another 'teaching moment' speech by the king of non-apologies.
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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #934 on: May 15, 2019, 07:25:53 »
Although apparently, the King walked out before the vote...so that's still a bit of a slap in the face.
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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #935 on: May 15, 2019, 07:53:02 »
Ugh, Ken Hansen was interviewed on CTV as a 'military insider' on this.

No idea how a retired three ringer, who has no experience with procurement, working in requirements, or being a GOFO, but why does this guy keep getting called up as a talking head all the time??

https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/video?binId=1.1145507#1.1145518

Mr. Hansen is on News 95.7fm in Halifax all the time.  He seems to be their go to for all things RCN.

Just my opinion from listening to him allot but he comes across as a Liberal and Irving fan boy. 

He was very unsupportive of Asterix right from the get go.
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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #936 on: May 15, 2019, 09:12:29 »
Although apparently, the King walked out before the vote...so that's still a bit of a slap in the face.
To be fair, he did have to get to a photo op at Notre Dame cathedral… with a pesky side-trip to a political Summit on curtailing online extremism (if only there was some technology that would have allowed them to do that meeting... you know... online)

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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #937 on: May 15, 2019, 09:54:31 »
To be fair, he did have to get to a photo op at Notre Dame cathedral… with a pesky side-trip to a political Summit on curtailing online extremism (if only there was some technology that would have allowed them to do that meeting... you know... online)

That has been proven untrue.  As I watched CTV news at 2200hrs (Halifax time) last night the PM still hadn't flown out of the country.

It was brought up as another head scratcher by the CTV News Power Panel.
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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #938 on: May 15, 2019, 10:01:50 »
That has been proven untrue. 
Damn, I was clutching at straws...

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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #939 on: May 15, 2019, 10:02:15 »
Mr. Hansen is on News 95.7fm in Halifax all the time.  He seems to be their go to for all things RCN.

Just my opinion from listening to him allot but he comes across as a Liberal and Irving fan boy. 

He was very unsupportive of Asterix right from the get go.

Maybe retired RCN talking head is a growth market?

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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #940 on: May 15, 2019, 10:41:29 »
 And from Twitter...
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I would note that the PM left the House shortly before this motion. He has personally apologized in the House for incidents prior to Confederation, but would not even stay for this symbolic motion for Admiral Norman. #sunnyways

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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #941 on: May 15, 2019, 11:26:43 »
He really isn't helping is case...

I wonder if he has hit a wall where he just doesn't care anymore and has seen the writing on the wall and will just do what he wants
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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #942 on: May 15, 2019, 11:33:39 »
He really isn't helping is case...

I wonder if he has hit a wall where he just doesn't care anymore and has seen the writing on the wall and will just do what he wants

Which is different from what he's been acting like since the election how?
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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #943 on: May 15, 2019, 11:41:22 »
He really isn't helping is case...

I wonder if he has hit a wall where he just doesn't care anymore and has seen the writing on the wall and will just do what he wants

The man is a narcissist. He doesn't know how to REALLY apologize and likely believes he can do no wrong and was justified in his actions. Heck, look at what happened when the one female MP claimed he had verbally attacked her.  His response was that wasn't how he interpreted things.
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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #944 on: May 15, 2019, 11:55:22 »
The man is a narcissist. He doesn't know how to REALLY apologize and likely believes he can do no wrong and was justified in his actions. Heck, look at what happened when the one female MP claimed he had verbally attacked her.  His response was that wasn't how he interpreted things.

So, in other words, he is a politician.
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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #945 on: May 15, 2019, 12:05:51 »
Which is different from what he's been acting like since the election how?

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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #946 on: May 15, 2019, 12:27:21 »
In the Prime Ministers defense he was off to apologize for the *spins wheel* 1730 Massacre at Fox Fort, Quebec.
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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #947 on: May 15, 2019, 21:01:24 »
He has never, that I recall, apologised for any of his own actions, just historical ones.  It is easy to say you are sorry for someone else's actions but to admit personal errors requires real cojons and an acknowledgement of personal involvement neither of which he has ever shown that he possesses.

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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #948 on: May 15, 2019, 21:19:50 »
He has never, that I recall, apologised for any of his own actions, just historical ones.  It is easy to say you are sorry for someone else's actions but to admit personal errors requires real cojons and an acknowledgement of personal involvement neither of which he has ever shown that he possesses.

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Re: VAdm Norman - Supply Ship contract: Legal fight
« Reply #949 on: May 15, 2019, 21:49:37 »
So you're saying he's a NWO officer?
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