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What happens if you fail infantry training?
« on: March 13, 2017, 22:24:00 »
If someone passes their BMQ and Officer qualification but then does not succeed in infantry school, what would happen to that person most likely? Would they be assigned somewhere else that they're qualified for? Or allowed to go through as a NCM? Or simply discharged and sent back to civilian life?

I applied for Armour Officer and Infantry Officer as my second choice. I know both are very hard, and I think I am more likely go get Infantry Officer since my spatial skills aren't really great and I have heard you need a high score on the spatial reasoning section to get armour. I have heard that the infantry is extremely hard. It just sounds as if you have to be the toughest sort of person imaginable to succeed and most fail. I have a lot of heart and a lot of determination, but what if that isn't good enough? Will I get kicked to the curb by the CAF if I don't make it through infantry school?
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Re: What happens if you fail infantry training?
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2017, 22:46:21 »
You go to the Armoured  Corps......
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Re: What happens if you fail infantry training?
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2017, 22:47:34 »
Will I get kicked to the curb by the CAF if I don't make it through infantry school?

Why not worry about passing one thing at a time?

Five minutes ago you were worried about passing CFAT.

These may give you an idea,

https://www.google.ca/search?q=site%3Aarmy.ca+fail&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&gfe_rd=cr&ei=alrHWOyMNOGM8Qfnw4KwBA&gws_rd=ssl


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Re: What happens if you fail infantry training?
« Reply #3 on: March 13, 2017, 22:54:49 »
Why not worry about passing one thing at a time?

Five minutes ago you were worried about passing CFAT.

These may give you an idea,

https://www.google.ca/search?q=site%3Aarmy.ca+fail&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-CA:IE-Address&ie=&oe=&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&gfe_rd=cr&ei=alrHWOyMNOGM8Qfnw4KwBA&gws_rd=ssl

Thanks for the link. I'm not really worried about passing the CFAT, I'm confident about the sort of skills the CFAT requires. I'm just a little worried about the time limit, that's all. I like to take my time and basically wanted to know if others have found that they aren't rushed.

It is important to me to have some idea of what might happen if I were to go to infantry school and fail. Of course I am going to try, but I want to be prepared for what might happen. I don't think that's an unreasonable thing to be thinking about during the application process.
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Re: What happens if you fail infantry training?
« Reply #4 on: March 13, 2017, 22:59:36 »
See also,

Friendly Advice for potential Infantry Officer candidates 
What happens to people who earn their Basic Military Officer Qualification but don't make it all the way through infantry school? Are they discharged from the forces or are they assigned somewhere else?

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Re: What happens if you fail infantry training?
« Reply #5 on: March 13, 2017, 23:14:45 »
Mariomike hit the nail on the head with recommending that post - I read a number of Technoviking's posts while considering applying as an Infantry Officer - many years later the advice was spot on and continues to inform.  Ask yourself some honest questions about who you are and what kind of person you believe yourself to be - if you are content with the answers and they line up with what he hints at is required for success, you'll be in a good spot for training.  Go in with the mindset to not fail (and do everything in your power to make that happen).  Mental Resilience and an indefatigable nature is possibly the most vital traits you'll need to succeed through infantry training.

So you end up failing Infantry training - many do fail their first time around attempting it.  Depending on the reason why you failed, you will either be given the chance to try it again or will be pushed to remuster into another (likely non-combat arms) career.  If you fail for ethical reasons or dishonesty, you may be asked to leave entirely.  Gagetown (where both the Armoured Infantry Officers conduct their training) is filled with a number of OCdts and 2Lt's in varying stages of completing courses, waiting to try them again, or waiting for a transfer to a different occupation.  In short, it really depends on your performance, attitude toward the training, and willingness to be flexible if you are ultimately unsuccessful in your training.  Also will depend on what the CAF needs and what they are willing to transfer you into (if anything).  I've seen many become NCMs, many change occupations, and still more decide the CAF just isn't a good fit for them and release (or be released).

Best of luck - my only suggestion would be to worry less and prepare more.

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Re: What happens if you fail infantry training?
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2017, 00:11:58 »
You become Armour, some have even fallen to the depths of Artillery.

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Re: What happens if you fail infantry training?
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2017, 02:03:00 »
If someone passes their BMQ and Officer qualification but then does not succeed in infantry school, what would happen to that person most likely? Would they be assigned somewhere else that they're qualified for? Or allowed to go through as a NCM? Or simply discharged and sent back to civilian life?

I applied for Armour Officer and Infantry Officer as my second choice. I know both are very hard, and I think I am more likely go get Infantry Officer since my spatial skills aren't really great and I have heard you need a high score on the spatial reasoning section to get armour. I have heard that the infantry is extremely hard. It just sounds as if you have to be the toughest sort of person imaginable to succeed and most fail. I have a lot of heart and a lot of determination, but what if that isn't good enough? Will I get kicked to the curb by the CAF if I don't make it through infantry school?

They feed them to the 6B courses. It's the circle of life :)
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Re: What happens if you fail infantry training?
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2017, 07:59:50 »
Mariomike hit the nail on the head with recommending that post -

I believe the OP is familiar with it.

He posted the same question in that thread, before starting this thread.  :)
http://milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,99437.msg1480039.html#msg1480039
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« Last Edit: March 14, 2017, 08:11:17 by mariomike »

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Re: What happens if you fail infantry training?
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2017, 09:02:50 »
I believe the OP is familiar with it.

He posted the same question in that thread, before starting this thread.  :)
http://milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,99437.msg1480039.html#msg1480039
Reply #115

You get to ask a question in one place only, MikeApplying. Duplicate questions are considered to be spam, contrary to the rules to which you agreed while registering. I have removed the other one.

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Re: What happens if you fail infantry training?
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2017, 18:06:49 »
I believe the OP is familiar with it.

He posted the same question in that thread, before starting this thread.  :)
http://milnet.ca/forums/index.php/topic,99437.msg1480039.html#msg1480039
Reply #115

Hard to keep track when everyone posts everywhere (laughs).  Hopefully the thread was useful for the OP.
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Re: What happens if you fail infantry training?
« Reply #11 on: March 14, 2017, 18:39:06 »
You get to ask a question in one place only, MikeApplying. Duplicate questions are considered to be spam, contrary to the rules to which you agreed while registering. I have removed the other one.

Very, terribly sorry for having made such a glaring mistake.
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Re: What happens if you fail infantry training?
« Reply #12 on: March 14, 2017, 18:40:36 »
Mariomike hit the nail on the head with recommending that post - I read a number of Technoviking's posts while considering applying as an Infantry Officer - many years later the advice was spot on and continues to inform.  Ask yourself some honest questions about who you are and what kind of person you believe yourself to be - if you are content with the answers and they line up with what he hints at is required for success, you'll be in a good spot for training.  Go in with the mindset to not fail (and do everything in your power to make that happen).  Mental Resilience and an indefatigable nature is possibly the most vital traits you'll need to succeed through infantry training.

So you end up failing Infantry training - many do fail their first time around attempting it.  Depending on the reason why you failed, you will either be given the chance to try it again or will be pushed to remuster into another (likely non-combat arms) career.  If you fail for ethical reasons or dishonesty, you may be asked to leave entirely.  Gagetown (where both the Armoured Infantry Officers conduct their training) is filled with a number of OCdts and 2Lt's in varying stages of completing courses, waiting to try them again, or waiting for a transfer to a different occupation.  In short, it really depends on your performance, attitude toward the training, and willingness to be flexible if you are ultimately unsuccessful in your training.  Also will depend on what the CAF needs and what they are willing to transfer you into (if anything).  I've seen many become NCMs, many change occupations, and still more decide the CAF just isn't a good fit for them and release (or be released).

Best of luck - my only suggestion would be to worry less and prepare more.

Thanks very much for your input. And to everyone else who answered, thanks very much.
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Re: What happens if you fail infantry training?
« Reply #13 on: March 14, 2017, 18:55:30 »
Very, terribly sorry for having made such a glaring mistake.

Sounds like some PO99 right there.
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Re: What happens if you fail infantry training?
« Reply #14 on: March 14, 2017, 19:03:28 »
Very, terribly sorry for having made such a glaring mistake.

Don't worry about it. You weren't the first, and you won't be the last, and this is not the biggest sin ever committed on this Site.

And don't fail.

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Re: What happens if you fail infantry training?
« Reply #15 on: March 14, 2017, 19:15:51 »
The Man Eating Bus takes you away.  [:D
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