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Re: Unveiling of New CANSOFCOM Dress Uniform
« Reply #25 on: June 06, 2017, 18:36:36 »

How in God's name would people know you're in the airforce if the uniform isn't blue?!

Simple: because he is wearing Air Force gloves :)
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Re: Unveiling of New CANSOFCOM Dress Uniform
« Reply #26 on: June 06, 2017, 19:08:52 »
Those are Army gloves.

He's Royal Flying Corps.

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Re: Unveiling of New CANSOFCOM Dress Uniform
« Reply #27 on: June 06, 2017, 19:44:12 »
Surprised nobody has keyed in on rank insignia.

Can't wear the CA DEU because it is controlled by the CA, hence can't wear CA rank because it is controlled by the CA as well.
Can't wear the RCAF DEU because it is controlled by the RCAF, hence can't wear the RCAF rank because it is controlled by the RCAF as well.
Can't wear the RCN DEU because it is controlled by the RCN, hence can't wear the RCN rank because it is controlled by the CA as well.

Logical conclusion:  CANSOFCOM specific rank (and by extension the rest of the buttons and bows including trade insignia) are in the offing as well...

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Re: Unveiling of New CANSOFCOM Dress Uniform
« Reply #28 on: June 06, 2017, 19:48:00 »
Surprised nobody has keyed in on rank insignia.

Can't wear the CA DEU because it is controlled by the CA, hence can't wear CA rank because it is controlled by the CA as well.
Can't wear the RCAF DEU because it is controlled by the RCAF, hence can't wear the RCAF rank because it is controlled by the RCAF as well.
Can't wear the RCN DEU because it is controlled by the RCN, hence can't wear the RCN rank because it is controlled by the CA as well.

Logical conclusion:  CANSOFCOM specific rank (and by extension the rest of the buttons and bows including trade insignia) are in the offing as well...

Ha!  I propose "pixellated squares and daggers".
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Re: Unveiling of New CANSOFCOM Dress Uniform
« Reply #29 on: June 06, 2017, 19:53:09 »
Ha!  I propose "pixellated squares and daggers".

The rank is black on a black slip on. You don't see the rank, because much like the person, you'll never see them coming.  ;D

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Re: Unveiling of New CANSOFCOM Dress Uniform
« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2017, 19:56:03 »
The rank is black on a black slip on. You don't see the rank, because much like the person, you'll never see them coming.  ;D

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Re: Unveiling of New CANSOFCOM Dress Uniform
« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2017, 20:18:21 »
I sure hope the metal rod in the picture is *optional wear*.   :o

If not, that explains the facial expression.   ^-^

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Re: Unveiling of New CANSOFCOM Dress Uniform
« Reply #32 on: June 06, 2017, 22:18:27 »
I sure hope the metal rod in the picture is *optional wear*.   :o

If not, that explains the facial expression.   ^-^

Well spotted.... but then again, that's your job isn't it? :)
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Re: Unveiling of New CANSOFCOM Dress Uniform
« Reply #33 on: June 06, 2017, 22:27:23 »
Are the DEU worn now by the RCAF, CA and RCN not distinctive enough?  They are, of course, manufactured by the same supplier who now provided CANSOFCOM uniforms, so they must be awesome.

See what just happened there?  Instead of whining about our curent DEU, I just upped it's stature to that of the CANSOF DEU.   [:D

Well I'm not sure what the RCN and RCAF think about there uniforms, but the current CA DEU looks like a business suit with badges....And I would certainly welcome a uniform that makes us actually look like soldiers, not a green bag designed by a rotund CDS at unification :-/

Hell even bringing back the Tan uniform of the 90's would be better than what we have now..

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Re: Unveiling of New CANSOFCOM Dress Uniform
« Reply #34 on: June 06, 2017, 22:30:52 »
Well I'm not sure what the RCN and RCAF think about there uniforms, but the current CA DEU looks like a business suit with badges....And I would certainly welcome a uniform that makes us actually look like soldiers, not a green bag designed by a rotund CDS at unification :-/

Hell even bringing back the Tan uniform of the 90's would be better than what we have now..

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Re: Unveiling of New CANSOFCOM Dress Uniform
« Reply #35 on: June 06, 2017, 23:27:29 »
Is it just me (or my computer) or do the colours in that picture look off?  The tan beret (for comparison) looks really dark.
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Re: Unveiling of New CANSOFCOM Dress Uniform
« Reply #36 on: June 07, 2017, 06:41:00 »
I imagine it will be worn by (and so specifically identify) those personnel in occupations unique to CANSOFCOM.  Alternately, they will set the precedent that RCN, CA and RCAF will follow by insisting personnel change DEU on posting into (or out of) the command.

… so, either an enduring re-occurring waste of money or “I can’t be in the hatless course photo because my identity is a national secret, but I can wear my resume in public and on an OC Transpo bus.”

Edit: spelling

There is definitely that.  I suppose they will have their own regimental hat badge to go with their regimental command badge.......  Nothing says Special Forces like a unique uniform AND unique hat badge AND unique command badge.
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Re: Unveiling of New CANSOFCOM Dress Uniform
« Reply #37 on: June 07, 2017, 07:20:17 »
While I made a couple of jokes already in this thread, I'm actually in the who cares crowd. 

We spend millions of dollars on random pet projects all the time so I suppose SOF should have their cake as well. 

A few thousand uniforms is really a drop in the bucket as far as costs go.  I remember when RMC brought back the College Uniform 10 years ago and there was a huge amount of moaning and groaning.  At the end of the day the cost was only around $1 million dollars which is penny change. 

The irony is we are repeating the same mistakes with CSOR that we made with the Airborne Regiment. 

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Re: Unveiling of New CANSOFCOM Dress Uniform
« Reply #38 on: June 07, 2017, 07:26:48 »
While I made a couple of jokes already in this thread, I'm actually in the who cares crowd. 

We spend millions of dollars on random pet projects all the time so I suppose SOF should have their cake as well. 

A few thousand uniforms is really a drop in the bucket as far as costs go.  I remember when RMC brought back the College Uniform 10 years ago and there was a huge amount of moaning and groaning.  At the end of the day the cost was only around $1 million dollars which is penny change. 

The irony is we are repeating the same mistakes with CSOR that we made with the Airborne Regiment.

Not quite.  The CAR was given elite status but populated with a lot of dregs of the leg units and almost never used.  There is a much higher standard to getting in the CSOR and they are a much more disciplined and experienced unit.  Everyone I knew who went to the CAR was given a jump course to get them out of the unit because they were problem cases.  The CAR was best known for breaking up transient quarters on air forces bases when they got drunk. 
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Re: Unveiling of New CANSOFCOM Dress Uniform
« Reply #39 on: June 07, 2017, 08:21:52 »
Not quite.  The CAR was given elite status but populated with a lot of dregs of the leg units and almost never used.  There is a much higher standard to getting in the CSOR and they are a much more disciplined and experienced unit.  Everyone I knew who went to the CAR was given a jump course to get them out of the unit because they were problem cases.  The CAR was best known for breaking up transient quarters on air forces bases when they got drunk.

You're are right ref selection; however, I'm referring to thw cultural aspects that the CAF is again perpetuating.  It's better that SOF remain quiet as we are probably one major incident away from another Somalia Inquiry. 


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Re: Unveiling of New CANSOFCOM Dress Uniform
« Reply #40 on: June 07, 2017, 08:35:03 »
You're are right ref selection; however, I'm referring to thw cultural aspects that the CAF is again perpetuating.  It's better that SOF remain quiet as we are probably one major incident away from another Somalia Inquiry.

Concur, the khaki hat was more than sufficient recognition but these guys have the ear of bean counters.   
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Re: Unveiling of New CANSOFCOM Dress Uniform
« Reply #41 on: June 07, 2017, 10:18:19 »
Concur, the khaki hat was more than sufficient recognition but these guys have the ear of bean counters.

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Re: Unveiling of New CANSOFCOM Dress Uniform
« Reply #42 on: June 13, 2017, 10:20:15 »
Un f***ing real! (Sorry for the harsh terms, but...). New hardware purchases snafued, recruiting snarled and choked, attrition at an all time high (for many undiscussed reasons) and the tall foreheads in OW want/have more buttons and bows. Reality check please!
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Re: Unveiling of New CANSOFCOM Dress Uniform
« Reply #43 on: June 18, 2017, 00:20:45 »
Maybe this is meant to be regimental Full Dress or Undress for CSOR? It is a regiment after all...
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Re: Unveiling of New CANSOFCOM Dress Uniform
« Reply #44 on: June 18, 2017, 08:22:13 »
Un f***ing real! (Sorry for the harsh terms, but...). New hardware purchases snafued, recruiting snarled and choked, attrition at an all time high (for many undiscussed reasons) and the tall foreheads in OW want/have more buttons and bows. Reality check please!

You're using the same logic to pick at a minor portion of the overhead of an organizational sub-component (CANSOF's clothing budget within DND's budget [ <1/75,000th]) as The Rideau Institute/Ceasefire.ca inappropriately uses to posit that DND's budget within the GoC's budget is the only place where inefficacy/inappropriateness happens.  Frankly, in both cases, DND's budget and the GoC's budget writ large, there are a lot more places where far more money proportionately is not used wisely. 

The three items you link through attribution as being caused by CANSOF's assaulter/operator dress uniform (procurement, recruiting and attrition) will not be solved by halting the revision of a few hundred dress uniforms.

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Re: Unveiling of New CANSOFCOM Dress Uniform
« Reply #45 on: June 18, 2017, 08:28:14 »
Let's go whole hog banana republic:

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I would shorten that to "Canadian Special Operations Force Regiment ( Pierre Elliott Trudeau's)" or "CSOFR (PET)"
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Re: Unveiling of New CANSOFCOM Dress Uniform
« Reply #46 on: June 18, 2017, 08:36:22 »
I think one of the magic words in this whole discussion is "LOGISTIK".

At a recent Mess Dinner, people were wearing BLUES, ordered on points through LOGISTIK.  As LOGISTIK also supplies the UK Forces, and who knows how many others, the sale of different varieties of uniforms is only more business for them.
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Re: Unveiling of New CANSOFCOM Dress Uniform
« Reply #47 on: September 27, 2017, 12:40:03 »
I just came off the departure parade for the GG.  The flag party was manned by CANSOF troops in their new uniform.  I have to say, the uniform is very striking and tasteful.  Honestly several cuts above the CF Greens the rest of the Army wear.  The concept display l saw last year didn't do this final one justice.
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Re: Unveiling of New CANSOFCOM Dress Uniform
« Reply #48 on: September 28, 2017, 13:46:19 »
I just came off the departure parade for the GG.  The flag party was manned by CANSOF troops in their new uniform.  I have to say, the uniform is very striking and tasteful.  Honestly several cuts above the CF Greens the rest of the Army wear.  The concept display l saw last year didn't do this final one justice.

Even from the sole picture I was able to find, I have to agree.  All jokes and shots about our love of buttons and bows in recent years aside, the folks in CANSOF do a difficult and dangerous job;  I've no qualms with them wearing a uniform that 'stands out' and sets them apart of the other 3 DEUs. 

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Re: Unveiling of New CANSOFCOM Dress Uniform
« Reply #49 on: September 28, 2017, 16:35:19 »
I think one of the magic words in this whole discussion is "LOGISTIK".

At a recent Mess Dinner, people were wearing BLUES, ordered on points through LOGISTIK.  As LOGISTIK also supplies the UK Forces, and who knows how many others, the sale of different varieties of uniforms is only more business for them.

Blues as in mess kit??  I had to pay for mine (mess kit) but I think the RCAF musicians get a quasi-mess kit for formal events.  That's a guess, the picture that made me think that is at this link, Pic 3 of 7.

http://www.rcaf-arc.forces.gc.ca/en/rcaf-band/index.page

the material colour seems lighter than the *old style* mess kit, its more like the 'new style' RCAF mess kit but the buttons and pants are different.

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