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Is our infantry a bunch of “grunts”

Yes
2 (12.5%)
No, we have an intelligent infantry
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Some are intelligent, most are not
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Most are intelligent, some are not
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Voting closed: October 01, 2017, 10:36:44

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Re: Are the Infantry just a bunch of “grunts” c
« Reply #25 on: September 24, 2017, 17:10:45 »
The Young British Canadian Soldier

Now, if you must marry, take care she is old -
 A troop-sergeant's widow's the nicest I'm told,
 For beauty won't help if your rations is cold,
Nor love ain't enough for a soldier.
'Nough, 'nough, 'nough for a soldier . . .

 If the wife should go wrong with a comrade, be loath
 To shoot when you catch 'em - you'll swing, on my oath! -
 Make 'im take 'er and keep 'er: that's Hell for them both,
An' you're shut o' the curse of a soldier.
Curse, curse, curse of a soldier . . .
http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_youngbrit.htm

I am officially confused.

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Re: Are the Infantry just a bunch of “grunts” c
« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2017, 17:22:49 »
I had heard that about Petawawa, I don’t know what to think, does that matter that much, most people seem to be able to find a spouse if they want.)

I am officially confused.

It's an old poem about young soldiers getting married.
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Re: Are the Infantry just a bunch of “grunts” c
« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2017, 17:37:02 »
It's an old poem about young soldiers getting married.

I understood that, just didn’t understand what I was supposed to learn from it.

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Re: Are the Infantry just a bunch of “grunts” c
« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2017, 17:55:26 »
I understood that, just didn’t understand what I was supposed to learn from it.

It's just a famous old army poem I have read on here many times.
What you posted about finding an army spouse reminded me of it. It was not intended to be educational.

We do post poems on here sometimes,
https://www.google.ca/search?rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-CA%3AIE-Address&rlz=1I7GGHP_en-GBCA592&dcr=0&q=site%3Aarmy.ca++poem&oq=site%3Aarmy.ca++poem&gs_l=psy-ab.3...5887.7818.0.8412.4.4.0.0.0.0.171.655.0j4.4.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.SL0LdGVljyE

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Re: Are the Infantry just a bunch of “grunts” c
« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2017, 18:38:40 »
most people seem to be able to find a spouse if they want

Mostly imports.

Find somebody with a universally-in-demand occupation. I recommend medical people.

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Re: Are the Infantry just a bunch of “grunts”
« Reply #30 on: September 24, 2017, 19:19:43 »
You cant marry without the consent of the CO. It saves time if you marry before you enlist and you both then can join the CF :D

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Re: Are the Infantry just a bunch of “grunts”
« Reply #31 on: September 24, 2017, 20:01:15 »
You cant marry without the consent of the CO. It saves time if you marry before you enlist and you both then can join the CF :D
Steering a young Canadian lad wrong, tsk, tsk. You do not need your C.O's permission to marry, nor do we 'enlist' into the C.F.



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Re: Are the Infantry just a bunch of “grunts”
« Reply #32 on: September 24, 2017, 20:03:08 »
You cant marry without the consent of the CO. It saves time if you marry before you enlist and you both then can join the CF :D

Is this true? In Canada? (Reason I say this is you have an American flag and I would hope that no current member of our military would use an American flag to represent themselves)

We also don’t use the term “enlist”, we just don’t, maybe you are an old guy who now lives in America, but then your information is outdated.

Any way, I do not think this can be true, there are too many problems with your post.

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Re: Are the Infantry just a bunch of “grunts”
« Reply #33 on: September 24, 2017, 20:05:19 »
Steering a young Canadian lad wrong, tsk, tsk. You do not need your C.O's permission to marry, nor do we 'enlist' into the C.F.



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You got there first I see, well, thank you for clarifying what I thought.

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Re: Are the Infantry just a bunch of “grunts”
« Reply #34 on: September 24, 2017, 21:08:08 »
Hello again,

I figured I will build off of this post (because this applies the same to it), I want to talk with my Mother about my desire (you could call it, I am 15 though, so nothing is set in stone of course) to be an Infanteer. She has been very very reasonable and accepting of my want to join the CAF, and that has made me very happy, but I want to be honest with her. I feel kind of bad telling her I want to be the one thing she asked me not to be, so

I want to know some things that the infantry teach you that applies to civvy life after the forces.

I also would like to know about your personal experience as you transitioned from life as an infanteer to a civvy.

Thank you in advance!

(P.S. I have not done a great deal of searching for answers for these questions as I want your personal experiences and stories and things like that, sorry for my ignorance, I simply don’t have time tonight but want to get these questions answered as soon as possible, if you know there are these questions specifically answered previously (but fairly recently) feel free to tell me to get a life and search it myself, or to leave links if you are feeling especially generous, sorry again for my laziness I just have more things to do before school tomorrow other than research hopeful careers.

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Re: Are the Infantry just a bunch of “grunts”
« Reply #35 on: September 24, 2017, 21:42:32 »
I want to know some things that the infantry teach you that applies to civvy life after the forces.

See Reply #20.

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Re: Are the Infantry just a bunch of “grunts”
« Reply #36 on: September 24, 2017, 22:09:11 »
Some transfer to other occupations for various reasons - they decide that they do not like the Combat Arms, want to do something different, see better opportunities elsewhere, or develop minor physical problems.

Some further their education, through various methods, and the CF will generally reimburse at least some of the cost (you can research that on here; I do not know the details). There are many NCMs with degrees.

Wise people begin planning for retirement right from the start. The pension is good, but one should make the maximum possible contributions to one's RRSP every year as well. If you buy a house early, you can most likely have it paid off by the time you retire. There are pitfalls to be considered, though - some people do very well when they sell, and some lose money. Research the area to which you are being posted.

When you marry, make sure that your bride also has a well-paying career and builds her RRSP. That'll set you up really well if you stay together, and minimize your financial pain if you split.

There are quite a few ex-military real estate agents, insurance brokers, and car salespeople etcetera especially near bases.

You've got a couple of years to go before you join. Take the time and make the effort to learn as much as you can, and build your fitness level.

And, at the very least, finish high school - and with the best marks possible.

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Re: Are the Infantry just a bunch of “grunts”
« Reply #37 on: September 24, 2017, 22:37:47 »
Hello all, good morning,

     I have been interested in the CAF for some time now (I am 15 years old), I want to be an NCM because I want to be out in the field doing the cool army stuff and not riding a desk. I am interested in the infantry because they are the boots on the ground and the ones that really fight the wars. When I told my mother that I was thinking of joining the military she encouraged me to do so if I wanted (which surprised me greatly) but one of her comments was that she did not want me to “just be a grunt” because it won’t give me useful skills for later in life.
     I was wondering if our modern infantry was mostly grunts who don’t have half a brain? Or if our infantry was a fairly intelligent lot?
     Thank you in advance


EDIT: OFF TOPIC: How often are our infantry deployed on humanitarian aid missions? E.G. Haiti the other decade, or even Irma (and all of the current hurricanes)

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Re: Are the Infantry just a bunch of “grunts”
« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2017, 04:19:33 »
See Reply #20.

Why not stay in for the whole ride?

Well I would hope to do 25+ but if something would happen or if my body could no longer handle it. I know there are other trades to remuster to, and I know that is what a lot of the Infanteers do when they feel like they can’t do it anymore.

(To Loachman: Thanks for the great reply! As to the comment along the lines of “finish high school at the very least - with the best marks”: I am definitely going to finish high school, I get good grades (mid 90s), but I don’t know if I should do University before joining or not. I have found all the threads about that, but mostly it is personal preference for each different individual.)

(To Tango2Bravo: I know, I should do what I want to do, but I want to make sure that I have a plan and that I am not doing something that I will get injured and then not have anything to fall back on.)

I am just trying to be realistic for the long term.

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Re: Are the Infantry just a bunch of “grunts”
« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2017, 08:39:24 »
Well I would hope to do 25+

35 years in the Regular Force will max out your pension at 70%.
That is considered the benchmark for adequate financial provisions in retirement for Canadian workers.

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Re: Are the Infantry just a bunch of “grunts”
« Reply #40 on: September 25, 2017, 08:45:47 »
Well I would hope to do 25+ but if something would happen or if my body could no longer handle it. I know there are other trades to remuster to, and I know that is what a lot of the Infanteers do when they feel like they can’t do it anymore.

(To Loachman: Thanks for the great reply! As to the comment along the lines of “finish high school at the very least - with the best marks”: I am definitely going to finish high school, I get good grades (mid 90s), but I don’t know if I should do University before joining or not. I have found all the threads about that, but mostly it is personal preference for each different individual.)

(To Tango2Bravo: I know, I should do what I want to do, but I want to make sure that I have a plan and that I am not doing something that I will get injured and then not have anything to fall back on.)

I am just trying to be realistic for the long term.

Within reason I try to follow this advice:

"Question everything. Learn something. Answer nothing."

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Re: Are the Infantry just a bunch of “grunts”
« Reply #41 on: September 25, 2017, 11:42:53 »
35 years in the Regular Force will max out your pension at 70%.
That is considered the benchmark for adequate financial provisions in retirement for Canadian workers.

Prospective member—Canadian Armed Forces pensions
https://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/fac-caf/ptntl-prspctv/mp-pm-eng.html

Some quick mental math, which I should be doing in school right now :(. If I join at 18, do 35 years, I will be 53, fairly close to a normal retirement age, let’s say I had made it to the top of Warrant officer (is that actually realistic) I would be making 79 920 a year, not including benefits or taxes, so my pension (70%) would be giving me 55 944 a year after that. Stupid question, is pension taxed? I presume it is, but I have no clue (again I am 15 and trying to figure out stuff about life).

Thanks for the replies, please tell me if these numbers (and rank) are realistic or not.

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Re: Are the Infantry just a bunch of “grunts”
« Reply #42 on: September 25, 2017, 11:55:04 »
Some quick mental math, which I should be doing in school right now :(. If I join at 18, do 35 years, I will be 53, fairly close to a normal retirement age, let’s say I had made it to the top of Warrant officer (is that actually realistic) I would be making 79 920 a year, not including benefits or taxes, so my pension (70%) would be giving me 55 944 a year after that. Stupid question, is pension taxed? I presume it is, but I have no clue (again I am 15 and trying to figure out stuff about life).

Thanks for the replies, please tell me if these numbers (and rank) are realistic or not.
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Re: Are the Infantry just a bunch of “grunts”
« Reply #43 on: September 25, 2017, 12:19:57 »


Did you (T2B) write a message or just quote mine? Sorry, I don’t know what it means when a message is just quoted and no knew message is written, this is my first forum and only my second day of posting.

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Re: Are the Infantry just a bunch of “grunts”
« Reply #44 on: September 25, 2017, 12:28:57 »
Some quick mental math, which I should be doing in school right now :(. If I join at 18, do 35 years, I will be 53, fairly close to a normal retirement age, let’s say I had made it to the top of Warrant officer (is that actually realistic) I would be making 79 920 a year, not including benefits or taxes, so my pension (70%) would be giving me 55 944 a year after that. Stupid question, is pension taxed? I presume it is, but I have no clue (again I am 15 and trying to figure out stuff about life).

You may find these discussions of interest,

Pension (merged)
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=106617.0
4 pages.

Pension Questions 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=123838.0

pension 
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=124724.0

etc...
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Re: Are the Infantry just a bunch of “grunts”
« Reply #45 on: September 25, 2017, 12:35:47 »
Yes, your pension will be taxable income.

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Re: Are the Infantry just a bunch of “grunts”
« Reply #46 on: September 25, 2017, 12:36:11 »
I did indeed write a response, which then seems to have gone into the ether! I will try again.

Attaining the rank of Warrant Officer (WO) in the infantry is indeed possible, but its definitely not a certainty. It means three merit-listed promotions where you are compared with your peers on a wide range of criteria. Attaining the rank of WO is an achievement. If you are looking at your retirement income as a factor in joining, perhaps look at the baseline of Corporal (Cpl) and see if you'd be happy.

Regarding the pension, you are taxed. You also stop making pension contributions, so that improves the difference in your take home pay at retirement. While its great to be planning for retirement, you should also consider the short term. Have a look at the pay rates for the first four years and make sure that your lifestyle/responsibilities will be commensurate. We have good pay and benefits, but its good to make an honest assessment (which you seem to be doing).

Cheers (hope this one works),

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Re: Are the Infantry just a bunch of “grunts”
« Reply #47 on: September 25, 2017, 12:55:13 »
If I join at 18, do 35 years, I will be 53, fairly close to a normal retirement age,

You don't have to serve the full 35 years. That is only if you wish "max-out" your pension. ( 70% )

After 25 years in the Regular Force, you will be eligible to retire with an unreduced pension of 50%.
https://www.tpsgc-pwgsc.gc.ca/fac-caf/act/rnsrgm/aprdap-petmy-eng.html?wbdisable=true

Immediate annuity (unreduced pension)

An immediate annuity (IA) is a monthly pension payable immediately upon release or when your participation in either of the CAF Pension Plans ends, if you:
•have 25 years (9,131 days) of Canadian Forces service
•are age 60 with at least two years of pensionable service
•are age 55 with 30 years of pensionable service
•are involuntarily released due to a reduction in the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) and either: ◦have 20 years of pensionable service or
◦are age 55 or older with 10 years of pensionable service

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Re: Are the Infantry just a bunch of “grunts”
« Reply #48 on: September 25, 2017, 14:36:36 »
Yes, your pension will be taxable income.

Okay, that is what I thought, thanks for the reply!

(To T2B: okay, that is funny! Thank you for the further information: I had obviously confused myself from something and thought merit promotions started at Sergeant (which I thought meant two merit promotions), thank you for the correction!)

(To MarioMikeL I did know that the pension was “unreduced” after 25, that is why I stated that as my bottom goal for service, but at 43, you would still need to do a job for about ≤20 years, but thank you for those numbers, they are now in a helpful screenshot!)

Thank you all again so much!

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Re: Are the Infantry just a bunch of “grunts”
« Reply #49 on: September 25, 2017, 16:50:06 »
(To MarioMikeL I did know that the pension was “unreduced” after 25, that is why I stated that as my bottom goal for service, but at 43, you would still need to do a job for about ≤20 years, but thank you for those numbers, they are now in a helpful screenshot! )

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