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RCN ships in high sea states
« on: March 14, 2018, 18:11:36 »
They are "coastal" vessels, Recceguy. Built for OUR coasts, which are basically open ocean areas. They can take a crossing without too much trouble unless they hit a storm mid-ocean. But then again, even aircraft carriers can be mauled pretty bad by storms if they get caught - Just ask admiral Halsey;D

Just read that book. After reading what happened to the survivors of the USS Indianapolis and the ones from the ships that sunk in that Typhoon I would much rather be in arctic waters over tropical waters. A quick death by hypothermia seems much more desirable than one by sunburn, madness and sharks. 
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Re: MCDVs in High Sea States
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2018, 18:42:44 »
Sending Coastal Defence Vessels to the other side of the world. I'm guessing when I say they must've been like bobbing around like a cork on the crossing.

Not really I have been across on deployments 3 times now, its not that bad.
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Re: MCDVs in High Sea States
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2018, 18:44:19 »
They are "coastal" vessels, Recceguy. Built for OUR coasts, which are basically open ocean areas. They can take a crossing without too much trouble unless they hit a storm mid-ocean. But then again, even aircraft carriers can be mauled pretty bad by storms if they get caught - Just ask admiral Halsey.  ;D

They have been in at least 14M seas without any troubles.
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Re: MCDVs in High Sea States
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2018, 19:03:42 »
Chief, 14 meters seas + is Beaufort Sea State 12 - hurricane. The frigates or IROs couldn't take that "without any trouble".

There has been one crossing I know of with the MCDV where they were hit by the tail of hurricane - down to Sea State 11 (violent storm - waves 11.5 to 14 meters), it was extremely tough on the crew and equipment and one of the MCDV tripped both shafts due to overspeed when the screws came out of the water, leaving them bobbing around dead in the water until they could be reset and making for very tense moments. I would not call that "without any trouble".

This said, and as I indicated, so long as they are facing normal seas, the MCDV's are fine to do crossings.

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Re: MCDVs in High Sea States
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2018, 19:59:57 »
They have been in at least 14M seas without any troubles.
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Re: MCDVs in High Sea States
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2018, 20:13:40 »
Chief, 14 meters seas + is Beaufort Sea State 12 - hurricane. The frigates or IROs couldn't take that "without any trouble".

There has been one crossing I know of with the MCDV where they were hit by the tail of hurricane - down to Sea State 11 (violent storm - waves 11.5 to 14 meters), it was extremely tough on the crew and equipment and one of the MCDV tripped both shafts due to overspeed when the screws came out of the water, leaving them bobbing around dead in the water until they could be reset and making for very tense moments. I would not call that "without any trouble".

This said, and as I indicated, so long as they are facing normal seas, the MCDV's are fine to do crossings.

I believe I remember that crossing(2005/2006 ish), I briefed the command teams before they went... apparently saying there are 17m seas forecast along the route wasn't clear enough information. ;D

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Re: MCDVs in High Sea States
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2018, 21:31:56 »
With our PM, it will be a mall deployment.

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Re: MCDVs in High Sea States
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2018, 23:01:13 »
Might as well deploy to Detroit  ;D

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Re: MCDVs in High Sea States
« Reply #8 on: March 15, 2018, 00:54:09 »
West Edmonton Mall?  :rofl:

He'd be safer in Mali than surrounded by Albertans :clubinhand:
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Re: MCDVs in High Sea States
« Reply #9 on: March 15, 2018, 01:04:06 »
He'd be safer in Mali than surrounded by Albertans :clubinhand:

I thought it read 'He'd be safer at the MALL than surrounded by Albertans.'

Which, when I last was at WEM, it still would've been an accurate statement. :D
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Re: MCDVs in High Sea States
« Reply #10 on: March 15, 2018, 04:14:01 »
Chief, 14 meters seas + is Beaufort Sea State 12 - hurricane. The frigates or IROs couldn't take that "without any trouble".

There has been one crossing I know of with the MCDV where they were hit by the tail of hurricane - down to Sea State 11 (violent storm - waves 11.5 to 14 meters), it was extremely tough on the crew and equipment and one of the MCDV tripped both shafts due to overspeed when the screws came out of the water, leaving them bobbing around dead in the water until they could be reset and making for very tense moments. I would not call that "without any trouble".

This said, and as I indicated, so long as they are facing normal seas, the MCDV's are fine to do crossings.

Yes I was the Chief Engineer and the situation was overblown by those ashore. We lost propulsion for about 1 min and it was restored. I would of had the shafts up sooner however I was on the aft end of the sweep deck securing a POL barrel that came loose. I wouldn't call it "tense" and all personnel were up and about. Point is the ship can handle it and have been handling it for the last 20 years. If it couldn't we wouldn't be still sending ships across.
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Re: MCDVs in High Sea States
« Reply #11 on: March 15, 2018, 09:47:35 »
Yes I was the Chief Engineer and the situation was overblown by those ashore. We lost propulsion for about 1 min and it was restored. I would of had the shafts up sooner however I was on the aft end of the sweep deck securing a POL barrel that came loose. I wouldn't call it "tense" and all personnel were up and about. Point is the ship can handle it and have been handling it for the last 20 years. If it couldn't we wouldn't be still sending ships across.


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Re: MCDVs in High Sea States
« Reply #12 on: March 15, 2018, 09:57:51 »
Yes I was the Chief Engineer and the situation was overblown by those ashore. We lost propulsion for about 1 min and it was restored. I would of had the shafts up sooner however I was on the aft end of the sweep deck securing a POL barrel that came loose. I wouldn't call it "tense" and all personnel were up and about. Point is the ship can handle it and have been handling it for the last 20 years. If it couldn't we wouldn't be still sending ships across.

Kudos to you and your crew Chief.  I've sailed through hurricanes on a tanker and a CPF, neither of which were much fun and both made me become very good friends with the heads.  I cant imagine it would be anything but violent on an MCDV. 

We had filing cabinets break away from their securing and break peoples legs, had a sailor fall off the side of ladder and bust up his back because of a heavy roll.  And that was on the tanker.  HHT might remember that trip.  We went across to the Azores, IRO's Helo crashed on deck, we had to rig lines in the dispersal area to keep water from flooding down the stores and ammo lifts.  Smoking in the dispersal too... lots of fun, cant wait to go back  :o :nod: 
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Re: MCDVs in High Sea States
« Reply #13 on: March 15, 2018, 10:07:31 »
Kudos to you and your crew Chief.  I've sailed through hurricanes on a tanker and a CPF, neither of which were much fun and both made me become very good friends with the heads.  I cant imagine it would be anything but violent on an MCDV. 

We had filing cabinets break away from their securing and break peoples legs, had a sailor fall off the side of ladder and bust up his back because of a heavy roll.  And that was on the tanker.  HHT might remember that trip.  We went across to the Azores, IRO's Helo crashed on deck, we had to rig lines in the dispersal area to keep water from flooding down the stores and ammo lifts.  Smoking in the dispersal too... lots of fun, cant wait to go back  :o :nod:

It was rough and I won't dispute that but the nature of being on a MCDV for many years in all sorts of weather most of us was used to it and business as usual. The only person in their rack the entire time was the doc who sailed on a CPF normally. What I heard was someone sent a email and picture off the ship and of course it went viral through an extended email chain, thus the story that we were ready to go down. The ships can take an incredible amount weather and still get the job done. If I can find them, I'll post up a few pictures of the sea state.
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Re: MCDVs in High Sea States
« Reply #14 on: March 15, 2018, 10:16:52 »
It was rough and I won't dispute that but the nature of being on a MCDV for many years in all sorts of weather most of us was used to it and business as usual. The only person in their rack the entire time was the doc who sailed on a CPF normally. What I heard was someone sent a email and picture off the ship and of course it went viral through an extended email chain, thus the story that we were ready to go down. The ships can take an incredible amount weather and still get the job done. If I can find them, I'll post up a few pictures of the sea state.

Would love to see them.  Getting through that strikes me as a feat of seamanship.  BZ to that crew.  I would have died from exhaustion, dehydration and starvation.
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Re: MCDVs in High Sea States
« Reply #15 on: March 15, 2018, 14:11:23 »
Would love to see them.  Getting through that strikes me as a feat of seamanship.  BZ to that crew.  I would have died from exhaustion, dehydration and starvation.




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Re: MCDVs in High Sea States
« Reply #16 on: March 15, 2018, 21:10:13 »
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Re: MCDVs in High Sea States
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2018, 21:11:26 »




Just another day in the life of a Kingston Class sailor.

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Re: MCDVs in High Sea States
« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2018, 21:13:34 »
Surfing vacation? :)

You could say that ;D
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Re: MCDVs in High Sea States
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2018, 21:22:06 »
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Re: MCDVs in High Sea States
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2018, 21:30:50 »
Reminds me of taking IRQ across to the Azores.  She would completely disappear in the swells, then tower waaaay above us.  Quite the wild ride there and back.  Non stop action for two weeks.  This was the trip l was on with HT on PRE that he mentioned earlier.

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Re: MCDVs in High Sea States
« Reply #21 on: March 15, 2018, 21:44:37 »
Reminds me of taking IRQ across to the Azores.  She would completely disappear in the swells, then tower waaaay above us.  Quite the wild ride there and back.  Non stop action for two weeks.  This was the trip l was on with HT on PRE that he mentioned earlier.

You mean like this?

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Re: MCDVs in High Sea States
« Reply #22 on: March 15, 2018, 21:55:51 »
I’m glad I didn’t join the RCN. Wow. Awesome stuff!
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Re: MCDVs in High Sea States
« Reply #23 on: March 15, 2018, 22:10:44 »
You mean like this?



Close, but no, l mean totally gone.  Nothing at all visable.  She was about 900m off our port side.  And when she was at the zenith, you were looking up at her at about a 45 deg. + angle.  It was like a carousel ride, quite the adventure.  About 30 seconds or so between the ups and downs, non stop.  The old man said he had seen it rougher but never prolonged like that.  The only time we weren't bouncing was when we went into the Azores to bunker.  All the way there and back from home, bounce, bounce, bounce.   ;D

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Re: MCDVs in High Sea States
« Reply #24 on: March 15, 2018, 22:33:44 »
Some real cool pictures and stories here, figured I'd split this off for everyone.