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Re: Editorial Opinion
« Reply #50 on: August 21, 2018, 13:31:29 »
It's interesting that the best source of news I have is people who are currently enrolled in a journalism program - they have yet to be infected with some of the various ideological plagues going around...

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Re: Editorial Opinion
« Reply #51 on: August 23, 2018, 10:00:29 »
It's interesting that the best source of news I have is people who are currently enrolled in a journalism program - they have yet to be infected with some of the various ideological plagues going around...

Ahh yes, the ones who still have hope in their eyes!

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Re: Editorial Opinion
« Reply #52 on: August 26, 2018, 02:38:39 »
CNN-Breathless reporting, the pace of their reporting compared to BBC is like the Bersaglieri vs a Highland unit

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Re: Editorial Opinion
« Reply #53 on: August 26, 2018, 11:33:05 »
CNN-Breathless reporting, the pace of their reporting compared to BBC is like the Bersaglieri vs a Highland unit

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Re: Editorial Opinion
« Reply #54 on: August 26, 2018, 14:50:43 »
JM,

As your post and subsequent conversation didn't add anything topical to the thread, it was removed. It is stored in the Grave if it needs further consideration or reposting.

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Re: Editorial Opinion
« Reply #55 on: August 26, 2018, 17:44:03 »
Almost a decade ago, this very topic generated a lot of discussion on the Officer Indoctrination course I attended at CMR, as part of the syllabus on media relations for CFR types

At one point we hosted two news producers, one from CBC the other from CTV.

The one from the CBC focused on the production of documentaries, and how they tend to go a bit more in depth than a typical news bite, but consequently some subjectivity inevitably creeps into the analysis.

The CTV producer, on the other hand, covered the production of typical half hour news presentation during a peak TV time (6 and 11). One of her comments that stood out was that, in the end, the entire presentation is framed in a way to appeal to certain demographics, in order to hold their attention to get to a particular sequence of commercials. The lead news, usually, was unavoidable, and much as time allowed was factual, in her view, as can be at the time. It is the later stories that tended to be tweaked more. It was also her view that news pieces are so short they can only really make people aware of the story, and if someone really wants to know what is going on they'll need to read, yes read, several articles on it, and a few books too. Something she acknowledged people are less and less likely to do.

By and large we found the CTv producer to be more honest about what they're trying to do, and the CBC guy was pretty self righteous about them being independent and more likely to provide an unbiased view of major events. Near the end of his presentation though, he gave an example of news covering a military blunder,  the USS Vincennes shooting down of Iran Air Flight 655 in July 1988. He thought the news article he used was fair in its presentation of known facts, on what was an egregious mistake no matter how you look at it. There were some Navy pers in the audience who happened to be in the audience, however, who had been on a frigate in the same area. They pointed out some glaring omissions in the article. To which the CBC producer responded, time is always a constraint when presenting a story, and the news piece he was using was from the time it occurred. Much like what the CTV producer was getting at, he also noted people are far too impatient to go into much depth, or follow a story up unless it directly affects them.

I'd say that's even more true now, with people getting (reaffirming) their understanding of events via meme's and comments on social media.

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Re: Editorial Opinion
« Reply #56 on: August 27, 2018, 17:14:01 »
One TV station in Vancouver was so bad for editing interviews that our Commissioner refused to do anything but live on the air interviews with them. What I found in the 90's was; reporter on scene collects story, phones story in where it was transcribed. Story goes to Editor who modifies story for length, clarity and impact. During that process, many important details fall to the wayside or are changed. Typically now the reporter writes their own, submits and it goes through the editor checks.

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Re: Editorial Opinion
« Reply #57 on: August 28, 2018, 06:38:30 »
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Re: Editorial Opinion
« Reply #58 on: November 05, 2019, 12:59:56 »
OP:

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Posted here and not with the Politics cartoons, because:

a) apparently comments cannot be made in the cartoon tread;

Guess I'll do likewise.

If concerned about personal safety in Canada,

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The top 10 MOST DANGEROUS cities in Canada 2018:
https://www.iheartradio.ca/virginradio/edmonton/trending/the-top-10-most-dangerous-cities-in-canada-2018-1.8543815

Toronto's 2018 statistics would include the van attack on Yonge St. It was the deadliest attack of any kind ( terror or non-terror ) in the city's history.

Adjusted for population, the GTA’s murder rate is below that of the Vancouver area and Edmonton.

That's the residential population only. To that, add the tourist population,

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Toronto is the leading tourism destination in Canada. In 2017, Toronto welcomed over 43.7 million visitors.
•A record 15.5 million were overnight visitors
•28.2 million same day visitors
•International travellers to Toronto: ◦5.1 million overnight visitors came from international destinations
◦2.9 million overnight visitors came from the U.S.
(Source: Tourism Toronto, 2017).

That is Toronto only. Does not include the GTA.

To see how Canadian cities compare,

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Violent crime severity index by census metropolitan area
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Canada#Violent_crime_severity_index_by_census_metropolitan_area

For reference from other discussions,

Those interested in where violence happens should be drilling down to specific neighbourhoods and communities.

There are 140 neighbourhoods officially recognized by the City of Toronto, and upwards of 240 unofficial neighbourhoods.

That is City only. Does not include the Greater Toronto Area ( GTA ) Regions of Halton, Peel, York and Durham.

If you live and work in an area long enough, you become familiar with your neighbourhood.

From the "Toronto's Statistical Crime" discussion,

Toronto is still ranked one of the safest cities in the world taking into account its geographical size, population and demographics. There’s no shortage of sources backing up this data.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/video-toronto-still-one-of-the-safest-cities-in-the-world-tory/
July 2, 2018

Canada: Toronto ranked 32 in the country for “most dangerous city”
https://www.macleans.ca/canadas-most-dangerous-places/
2018

https://www.toronto.ca/city-government/data-research-maps/toronto-progress-portal/world-rankings-for-toronto/
2018

http://safecities.economist.com
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2018

http://dailyhive.com/toronto/canada-most-dangerous-cities-2018

In Canada, not even top 10 “Finally, despite seeing its crime rate rise from the prior year, Toronto is ranked 124th, with a CSI score of 59...”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Toronto Updated: within last 30 days

Toronto

Total shootings/occurrences 2016: 407
total shootings/occurrences 2018: 208

https://www.narcity.com/news/here-are-the-most-dangerous-cities-in-canada-right-now-ranked-by-the-crime
2018

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/the-most-violent-cities-in-the-world-latin-america-dominates-list-with-41-countries-in-top-50-a6995186.html
2016

https://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings_by_country.jsp
Canada doesn’t even make the list.

https://safearound.com/danger-rankings/cities/
2017

Super-quick search. Shall I go on? I stated plainly there are several sources. Note I didn’t accuse you of arguing your “feelings” when you didn’t cite any sources to back up your initial Toronto-is-a-OMG-we’re-going-to-die city.  ::)

It’s a big city with big city problems, but those problems are significantly smaller/lower than many other areas.



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Re: Editorial Opinion
« Reply #59 on: November 05, 2019, 16:33:41 »
changed my mind :)
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Re: Editorial Opinion
« Reply #60 on: November 05, 2019, 16:52:31 »
changed my mind :)

Good. Because we went through this last month,  :)

It sounds like Toronto is a lot safer and nicer than I thought.


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Re: Editorial Opinion
« Reply #61 on: November 05, 2019, 17:07:11 »
Definitely. I was going to point out the bias media making Toronto sound more dangerous than it is.

https://globalnews.ca/tag/toronto-shooting/
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Re: Editorial Opinion
« Reply #62 on: November 05, 2019, 17:23:44 »
I was going to point out the bias media making Toronto sound more dangerous than it is.

Why do we hear them so much in the news? 

Where do you think Canada's news media is located?

That is likely because, that is where the people are,

The City of Toronto is more populous than six provinces — Manitoba, New Brunswick, Newfoundland and Labrador, Nova Scotia, Prince Edward Island, and Saskatchewan.

The Greater Toronto Area is more populous than those six, as well as Alberta and British Columbia.

The Greater Toronto and Hamilton Area ( GTHA ) is more populous than the resized province of Ontario as the 2nd largest province by population. Second only to Quebec.




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Re: Editorial Opinion
« Reply #63 on: November 05, 2019, 17:40:40 »
It's just normal big city life. I'm not sure why John Tory keeps crying about banning handguns and a violence crisis.
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Re: Editorial Opinion
« Reply #64 on: November 05, 2019, 17:54:36 »
I'm not sure why John Tory keeps crying about banning handguns and a violence crisis.

I kind of figured you wanted to get into gun politics. I've been a gun owner my entire life. But, I've never been obsessed with them. As some seem to be.  :)

Incidentally, I've met Mayor Tory. He doesn't seem like the "crying" type.
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Re: Editorial Opinion
« Reply #65 on: November 05, 2019, 18:12:17 »
Ya I hear you about the people that constantly manage to inject the same thing in to every conversation :nod:
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Re: Editorial Opinion
« Reply #66 on: November 05, 2019, 22:58:02 »
Ya I hear you about the people that constantly manage to inject the same thing in to every conversation :nod:

I see what you did there. ;)


When you go from absolutes to relatives, I’m glad I don’t live in downtown Winnipeg. 

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Re: Editorial Opinion
« Reply #67 on: November 05, 2019, 23:26:53 »
, I’m glad I don’t live in downtown Winnipeg.

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Editorial Opinion
« Reply #68 on: November 05, 2019, 23:46:11 »
I see what you did there. ;)


When you go from absolutes to relatives, I’m glad I don’t live in downtown Winnipeg.

I did my immersion to Winnipeg. If you get lost, you go to Pembina highway. An interesting thing, I had read a book about Big Bear in my Canadian culture course and then two weeks after, It had Stony Mountain penitentiary on the road between Gimli and Winnipeg. This is interesting when you read something to have a perspective about events from a book. I don’t always visualize my reading. I sleep everywhere in Canada, this is really a safe place. Anyway, if I had met someone to close my face, he would have learn I sleep with a 35 cm knife. This is my teddy bear.


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