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Ex In Norway?
« on: September 06, 2018, 22:52:24 »
Does anyone know of a possible EX coming up in Norway?  Didn't know we had people there.


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Re: Ex In Norway?
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2018, 23:25:09 »
Yes
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Re: Ex In Norway?
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2018, 23:43:40 »
Actually I just found more about it online.  Google is great.  It looks like Ex Trident Juncture 18, a huge NATO EX.

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Re: Ex In Norway?
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2018, 18:47:23 »
Yes

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Try expand your answers a bit. It's obvious the poster was starting a conversation regarding the subject. Your post provided absolutely no value whatsoever. Don't make people pull teeth. Of course, you were just answering his question in the strict sense it was asked, but while you got your satisfaction at your little jest, it did nothing to further the subject or clear anything up. Except that you know something someone else doesn't, but won't share.

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Re: Ex In Norway?
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2018, 19:02:05 »
Copy that, but it wasn't in jest.  Just trying to toe the line of info avail at the sight below with "things known thru work means". 

http://dgpaapp.forces.gc.ca/en/exercises/index.html
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Re: Ex In Norway?
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2018, 19:14:53 »
Copy that, but it wasn't in jest.  Just trying to toe the line of info avail at the sight below with "things known thru work means". 

http://dgpaapp.forces.gc.ca/en/exercises/index.html


So next time say Yes and add the link.
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Re: Ex In Norway?
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2018, 23:52:46 »
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Re: Ex In Norway?
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2018, 14:39:27 »
Are reservists deployed ( voluntarily ) for the whole duration of the exercise?

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Re: Ex In Norway?
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2018, 13:13:21 »
I've yet to see any official word that the CAF is participating, or what elements/units are going.  If you're interested, your unit might know if there are any CFTPO tasking for the ex.
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Re: Ex In Norway?
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2018, 12:31:37 »
From what I know, most of the LTF are coming from 5 Bde.  There may be reservists in the ORBAT, but I do not know.
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Re: Ex In Norway?
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2018, 20:01:39 »
Yes ,there's an exercise in Norway goin from October to November . Its an interoperability exercice with a few country of the Nato. You can get alot of information if you google Trident Juncture 18.
I know that because im goin there for the exercise and im leaving in about 2 weeks from Valcartier.
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Re: Ex In Norway?
« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2018, 20:10:01 »
Yes ,there's an exercise in Norway goin from October to November . Its an interoperability exercice with a few country of the Nato. You can get alot of information if you google Trident Juncture 18.
I know that because im goin there for the exercise and im leaving in about 2 weeks from Valcartier.

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It can go from torrential downpours to sleet and snow in the blink of an (hypothermic) eye ;)

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Re: Ex In Norway?
« Reply #12 on: November 02, 2018, 13:35:43 »
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Re: Ex In Norway?
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2018, 10:51:09 »
"The most important qualification of a soldier is fortitude under fatigue and privation. Courage is only second; hardship, poverty and want are the best school for a soldier." Napoleon

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Re: Ex In Norway?
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2018, 07:41:31 »
A Norwegian frigate collided with a tanker and is reportedly sinking.

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#Tridentjuncture18 Norwegian frigate helge ingstad collide after maneuvers with tankers

During the return of nato maneuver trident juncture, a Norwegian frigate collided with a tanker in the early morning. The frigate helge ingstad has a list and threatens to sink according to the fire department.
 The Helge Ingstad and the tanker sola ts were collided at 4 pm in the Norwegian Municipality of low in hordaland. Why, it's still unclear. A tug is holding the warship at the place, declared the Norwegian Fire Brigade. The frigate is a leak. You have no control over the leak. The tanker loaded with crude oil was easily damaged.
 In the misfortune, seven people were easily injured. According to the rescue central hrs, 137 people were aboard the frigate. Everyone was saved, said a spokesman of the Norwegian agency ntb. The 23 man strong crew of the tank ship didn't happen.
 The Helge Ingstad is a 2009-metre-long, and has a displacement of 5290 tonnes. It carries a helicopter and is equipped with torpedoes and missiles for ship and anti-aircraft. Source: Dpa

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Norwegian frigate could sink after being rammed by tanker

COPENHAGEN, Denmark — A Norwegian Navy frigate was rammed by a tanker while it was docked in a harbor on the country's west coast Thursday, the military said. The crew of 127 was evacuated amid fears the ship will sink.

Eight people on the KNM Helge Instad were slightly injured when the accident occurred at 4 a.m. local time in Sture, north of Bergen, the Joint Rescue Coordination Center for southern Norway said. The military said the ship, which had recently taken part in the vast NATO drill Trident Juncture, is taking on water.

Eirik Walle, with the rescue center, told Norwegian news agency NTB that the collision caused an opening in the frigate's hull and "it is taking in more water than they can pump out. There is no control over the leak and the stern is heavily in the sea."

The Maltese-flagged tanker, Sola TS, was not damaged and its 23-man crew remained on board.

Details of the accident were still unclear. Norway's Accident Investigation Board said a towboat was also involved in the accident, but didn't say how.

The shipping site Sysla said the tanker had been loaded with crude oil and was being towed out of the harbor when it somehow rammed the frigate. The tanker was on its way to Britain, Sysla said.

The Norwegian Navy has planned a news conference for later in the day.

Johan Marius Ly of the Norwegian Coast Guard said the extent of leakage was unknown.

The 442-foot frigate, built in Spain in 2009, has a helipad platform on its stern.
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Re: Ex In Norway?
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Re: Ex In Norway?
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2018, 11:29:39 »

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Re: Ex In Norway?
« Reply #18 on: November 09, 2018, 00:22:50 »
My first thought was it was a Russian ship that hit them...
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Re: Ex In Norway?
« Reply #19 on: November 09, 2018, 09:06:03 »
My first thought was it was a Russian ship that hit them... 

Actually she is Maltese flagged. More info and photos can be found here on the Marine Traffic webpage.

Attached below is PDF image showing the Sola TS maneuvering for the last two days. Presently in it is stopped (red dot on image)  with a tugboat monitoring it. Map is from the Marine Traffic webpage.
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Re: Ex In Norway?
« Reply #20 on: November 09, 2018, 09:47:59 »
More info on the accident. Apparently frigate has been towed inshore to prevent it from sinking.

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Norwegian frigate damaged in collision with tanker, Update frigate to blame VIDEO

Posted in Accidents by Mikhail Voytenko on Nov. 8, 2018 at 06:01.

Greek Aframax tanker SOLA TS collided with Norway Navy frigate HNOMS HELGE INGSTAD in the morning Nov 8, probably around 0300 UTC, in North sea north of Bergen, Norway. Laden tanker left Sture Terminal shortly before collision. According to Norway media reports, frigate sustained heavy damages, water ingress, probably in danger of sinking, all 137 crew evacuated, 7 were slightly injured. Tanker said not to suffer serious damages, as of 0530 UTC she was near collision site, moving in northern direction at dead slow speed, escorted by tug. Salvage under way, many tugs and SAR ships in collision area.

Norwegian Navy frigate HNOMS HELGE INGSTAD (F313), displacement 5290, commissioned 2009, complement 120, armament missiles, torpedoes, guns, helicopter.

Update: Frigate understood to sustain stb bow hull breach with massive water ingress, she’s said to develop heavy bow tilt.
Update: 0700 UTC – according to latest reports frigate was taken to shallow waters to avoid sinking, water ingress is incontrollable.

Comment: Again, laden massive cargo ship collided with Navy frigate, similar to accidents which occurred with USA Nay frigates in Japan and ff Singapore, recently. Understood frigate was hit by tanker, it’s like feather-weight boxer being hit by super weight clumsy, slow moving giant boxer. Whatever the situation and ships positions were according to COLREG, Navy is the main culprit. Aframax tanker in full load is restricted in maneuverability by definition, while frigate, by definition, is speedy maneuverable vehicle, supposedly always ready for dangerous situation, manned by a numerous crew.

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Re: Ex In Norway?
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2018, 06:27:17 »
Looks like she might be a write-off.

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The Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad has almost completely sunk based on the latest footage released by the Norwegian Navy.

Despite being anchored to the land, the ill-fated frigate continued to sink over night and now only the radar tower is seen above the water surface.

The Norwegian Coast Guard said that there have been fuel leaks detected around the ship, but nothing of significance. A containment boom has been placed around the vessel.

The frigate started listing after colliding with Sola TS oil tanker at the Sture terminal in Øygarden, Norway, on Thursday morning, November 8. Eight people sustained minor injuries and 137 people were evacuated from the Norwegian frigate.

There were 23 people on board the oil tanker Sola TS when the collision occurred and there were no reported injuries. The Maltese-flagged Aframax, part of Tsakos Energy Navigation’s fleet, did not sustain damages below the waterline.

The navy ship suffered a large gash below the waterline and its helicopter tank was punctured in the collision, resulting in a minor spill. The amount of leakage was not considered to be actionable as the thin layer of helicopter fuel was expected to evaporate and dissolve naturally.

The Norwegian Navy and Coast Guard managed to stabilize the vessel post collision, as the ship was intentionally grounded and moved to a safe place. The Navy was planning to rescue the frigate and inked a deal with BOA management for the ship’s salvage.

Based on the latest update from the Norwegian Coast Guard, the Navy is yet to determine its next steps on the matter.

Initial reports indicate that the frigate was repeatedly warned to alter course but failed to undertake corrective action to avoid the collision with the tanker, which is more than ten times bigger than the frigate.

Citing radar images and audio logs, local media reported that the Norwegian frigate crashed into the fully-loaded tanker at a speed of 17 knots.

The frigate just returned from Trident Juncture, a NATO-led military exercise, held in Norway, when the incident occurred.

The Fridtjof Nansen class frigate was built by the Spanish shipbuilders Navantia and was commissioned into service in 2009. The

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Re: Ex In Norway?
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2018, 10:20:29 »
Damm I was hoping they would be able to salvage her and keep most of the electronics, that`s going to hurt the budget badly.

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Re: Ex In Norway?
« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2018, 11:40:11 »
Damm I was hoping they would be able to salvage her and keep most of the electronics, that`s going to hurt the budget badly.

Not to mention they just lost 20% of their fleet. Heads will roll.

I've seen the AIS and audio video. Looks like they turned left when they had the space and opportunity to turn right.

Also doesn't seem like they were appropriately guarding the radio.
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Re: Ex In Norway?
« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2018, 11:54:30 »
It's a European warship just "driving back home" after having completed an Ex. You and I know that the most likely size of the duty watch was no larger than one you would find on your average merchant ship.