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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) [MERGED]
« Reply #2250 on: November 25, 2018, 08:27:52 »
I was filling out the application for the Canadian Forces and was stuck on the education part where it wants Degree/Diploma Received. I'm currently in Uni, would I put down the degree i'm aiming for? Or would i select something like non-degree? I assume since it asks if you have graduated or not I would just put down the degree i'm going for.

Most of the advice I have read on here over the years is similar to this,

Put what education you have now and then update it when necessary.

See also,

Level of education?
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=104065.0
OP: "I'm applying online right now, but when it asks for my level of education i'm unsure of what to put."

etc...

Lastly for CFAT scheduling, do they work out the times with you and adjust them if you need or are you set into one time that you have to make?

Questions and answers regarding CFAT,

Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) [MERGED]
https://army.ca/forums/index.php?topic=13076.0
90 pages.

As always, Recruiting is your most trusted source of official, up to date information.

"Unofficial site, not associated with DND or the Canadian Armed Forces."

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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) [MERGED]
« Reply #2251 on: December 05, 2018, 12:19:46 »
You receive an overall score on the Selection List based on your CFAT/TSD and your interview (your education is embedded in the interview score). 
This is the only thing that bases you for competition on the "Selection List"

While there is a score assigned to the CFAT & TSD; although some recruiters inform the scores I'm not sure why they do as it's a percentile score.  What that means is although your base score could put you in the 90 percentile this year, the exact same base score could leave you in the 80 percentile next year.  The base scores themselves don't really mean anything in of themselves, and I wouldn't try to determine what your score was.

An old DUI will affect your background (CRNC) check; you will know long before the Selection List whether an old DUI will affect the ability to join or not.  As long as it is on your file it will come back in the CRNC, at that time a panel will sit to determine whether you should be allowed the chance to enrol in the CAF.  If the board determines that the situation surrounding your DUI is too much of a risk with the occupations you're wishing to join you will be informed of this.

When I say what percentage is remaining for an occupation, that doesn't mean it's in a shortage, it just means that's how many are still to be recruited this year.

Hey Buck,

Can you shed some light on the new ACS selection and it’s relation to the CFAT? I was told that they select you to come take the test after based on how high your CFAT score is but others have said that their file managers mentioned the CAF is prioritizing ROTP applicants.

Additionally what do you consider a high CFAT score for pilot/acso/aec trades?

Thanks

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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) [MERGED]
« Reply #2252 on: December 08, 2018, 10:54:58 »
hello, everyone was wondering if anyone has some information on the score or anything in the matter of maybe something to focus on for the cfat. as i write my test on monday and am hoping to be able to get the med tech trade i applied for.


thanks in advance 

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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) [MERGED]
« Reply #2253 on: December 08, 2018, 14:23:55 »
There are no secrets or specific topics to focus on at the last minute as the test covers a wide range of things. A sample is here if you haven't seen it yet:  https://www.canada.ca/content/dam/dnd-mdn/documents/jobs/20170906-preparing-for-aptitude-test.pdf


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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) [MERGED]
« Reply #2254 on: December 08, 2018, 16:16:56 »
Can we retake our CFAT to get a higher score, even if we already qualified for our selected trades?

I qualified for Pilot but I feel my scores might not be high enough to get in.
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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) [MERGED]
« Reply #2255 on: December 13, 2018, 01:46:31 »
Got selected for the CFAT for Jan. 31, coming up soon. checked out a grade 10 math textbook in the library and had a holy crap I don't remember anything moment so def. wanna study up for this. I hear it's supposed to be easy but no point taking it for granted and then having to wait another forever to retake it.

Would be a big help having a partner for the academic study and even to hit the gym with to get ready for the PT, just reply here. Much appreciated.

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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) [MERGED]
« Reply #2256 on: December 19, 2018, 16:01:09 »
Hey Buck,

Can you shed some light on the new ACS selection and it’s relation to the CFAT? I was told that they select you to come take the test after based on how high your CFAT score is but others have said that their file managers mentioned the CAF is prioritizing ROTP applicants.

Additionally what do you consider a high CFAT score for pilot/acso/aec trades?

Thanks

Sorry I can not shed light on that query, it's outside my knowledge base.  Actual scores of the "targets" for the CFAT are considered Protected information and I cannot give you an answer as to what is a "high score".

Can we retake our CFAT to get a higher score, even if we already qualified for our selected trades?

I qualified for Pilot but I feel my scores might not be high enough to get in.

Asked & answered: https://navy.ca/forums/index.php/topic,107773.msg1556200.html#msg1556200
Please do not double post your queries.  While there could be a delay in my response time (much of my time away is due to being at recruiting events, being on course or simply being on leave) but I will always answer.

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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) [MERGED]
« Reply #2257 on: March 18, 2019, 19:26:43 »
Hey guys hope all is well

I gave the CFAT earlier in January and was told that I passed and qualified for a DEO.

I applied for Pilot and ACSO and currently undergoing medical (needed a few things from my family doctor). When I went for the Interview the Officer doing the interview said that even though my CFAT score was 'Above Average' It was still on the lower end and that It would be hard for me to compete with other officers who would be applying for the same role as me.

He mentioned that ALL officer roles are extremely competitive whether I applied for Intelligence officer, logistics, ACSO or anything and that It would be close to impossible for me to become an officer with my current CFAT Score even though I passed for DEO. He said that I can get into any NCM role and told me to consider going the NCM route.

I just wanted to know from anyone that was in recruiting whether I should stick to DEO and apply for an officer anyways or take the recruiters word and apply NCM

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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) [MERGED]
« Reply #2258 on: March 18, 2019, 19:36:00 »
the Officer doing the interview

I ( a non-Recruiter ) would seriously consider his advice, as he is the one who knows you, and your file, better than anyone here.


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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) [MERGED]
« Reply #2259 on: March 18, 2019, 20:07:17 »
I think you should do whatever you can see yourself doing in the long run because both options pose their own challenges. I don’t think the NCM trades are the easy way out and you should do whatever you see yourself taking pride in.

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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) [MERGED]
« Reply #2260 on: March 18, 2019, 21:18:18 »
I'll give you my CFAT score so you can make a decision: 49/60.

I got an offer for one of the 30-or-so spots in my chosen occupation against thousands of applicants.
Recruiting Center: Montreal
Regular/Reserve: Regular Force
Officer/NCM: Officer (DEO)
Occupation choice: Logistics Officer
Current application: March 28, 2017
CFAT: Previously completed in November 2011
Interview: July 11, 2017
Medical: August 2017
Competition list: October/November 2017
Position Offered: May 25, 2018
Swearing In: August 21, 2018
BMOQ: August 25, 2018
BMOQ Graduation: November 16, 2018

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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) [MERGED]
« Reply #2261 on: March 18, 2019, 21:47:39 »
Unfortunately the recruiter didn't give me my grade - I kept asking for it but he said its confidential

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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) [MERGED]
« Reply #2262 on: March 18, 2019, 21:55:56 »
Hey guys hope all is well

I gave the CFAT earlier in January and was told that I passed and qualified for a DEO.

I applied for Pilot and ACSO and currently undergoing medical (needed a few things from my family doctor). When I went for the Interview the Officer doing the interview said that even though my CFAT score was 'Above Average' It was still on the lower end and that It would be hard for me to compete with other officers who would be applying for the same role as me.

He mentioned that ALL officer roles are extremely competitive whether I applied for Intelligence officer, logistics, ACSO or anything and that It would be close to impossible for me to become an officer with my current CFAT Score even though I passed for DEO. He said that I can get into any NCM role and told me to consider going the NCM route.

I just wanted to know from anyone that was in recruiting whether I should stick to DEO and apply for an officer anyways or take the recruiters word and apply NCM

I am not a recruiter but I have worked at a school and met many new recruits who settled for a trade they didn't initially want and soon after were trying to leave their current trade for their original choice or another more appealing trade, this transition process can be difficult at best once enrolled.

My advice to you would be to apply for Pilot or ACSO if that's what you really want and you have time to wait a bit if you are not selected right away. Keep in mind that although you may not be the most competitive, you are still eligible, and right now the forces is in dire need of both Pilots and ACSOs so who knows. If waiting is not a luxury you have, then I would take the recruiters advice and join as an NCM as this is probably the quickest way into the forces.

Keep in mind that a military career is long, 25 years minimum to get a full pension, therefore waiting an extra 6 months to get into a trade that you want and will enjoy for your entire career is hardly a setback. Even if you hold out and don't get what you want, at least you can say you tried and then proceed with the NCM route. It is possible to change trades and become an officer once enrolled but this can take some time and is not a guarantee. Personally, if I had a degree I would surely attempt to enroll as an officer in the trades I wanted before accepting the NCM route, unless of course there was an NCM trade you specifically wanted or if you are not interested in a leadership/management role. If you have any questions about specific Officer / NCM trades, just ask and I'm sure there's lots of people here that can answer your questions.

Hope that helps!

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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) [MERGED]
« Reply #2263 on: March 19, 2019, 10:24:56 »
Keep in mind that a military career is long, 25 years minimum to get a full pension,

Be careful with the terms you use.  A "full pension" is not defined anywhere in the appropriate documents.  Any pension that has not been reduced (e.g. due to breaking terms of service, marital breakup) could be described as a "full pension" as you would get everything you are entitled to based on the formula:  2% X years of service X average of best five years" salary.  What I suspect you really meant was that should be entitled to an "immediate unreduced annuity" after 25 years, meaning you could start collecting a pension at that point (prior to that, you would have to take a deferred annuity or a return of contributions).  To maximise your pension, you need to serve at least 35 years.
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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) [MERGED]
« Reply #2264 on: March 19, 2019, 11:10:18 »
Be careful with the terms you use.  A "full pension" is not defined anywhere in the appropriate documents.  Any pension that has not been reduced (e.g. due to breaking terms of service, marital breakup) could be described as a "full pension" as you would get everything you are entitled to based on the formula:  2% X years of service X average of best five years" salary.  What I suspect you really meant was that should be entitled to an "immediate unreduced annuity" after 25 years, meaning you could start collecting a pension at that point (prior to that, you would have to take a deferred annuity or a return of contributions).  To maximise your pension, you need to serve at least 35 years.

The point of mentioning the pension was just to convey to the OP that that under normal circumstances a person expecting to make a career in the military would serve at least a 25 year term under the current contracts before they would receive a pension; and therefore any decisions made prior to joining related to trade choice shouldn't be taken lightly as they could potentially be spending that amount of time in the trade they choose to accept.

The OP is asking advice on what they should do with respect to trade choice based on the options given by the recruiter, not about pensions. Although the information you provided is certainly correct, it is probably not important to the OP at this point.

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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) [MERGED]
« Reply #2265 on: March 19, 2019, 11:54:23 »
The OP is asking advice on what they should do with respect to trade choice based on the options given by the recruiter, not about pensions.

As long as we are being technical, the OP is asking for advice from a Recruiter,

I just wanted to know from anyone that was in recruiting whether I should stick to DEO and apply for an officer anyways or take the recruiters word and apply NCM

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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) [MERGED]
« Reply #2266 on: March 19, 2019, 13:49:11 »
As long as we are being technical, the OP is asking for advice from a Recruiter,

Yea I realize that, that is why the first five words of my initial post were "I am not a recruiter" lol what's your point?

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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) [MERGED]
« Reply #2267 on: April 10, 2019, 11:53:34 »
I ( a non-Recruiter ) would seriously consider his advice, as he is the one who knows you, and your file, better than anyone here.

I (a recruiter) concur with mariomike's post.  Honestly the individual interviewing you has the best knowledge of your file.

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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) [MERGED]
« Reply #2268 on: July 11, 2019, 21:10:41 »
Hi man
I just applied for the infantry for reg.forces
Just have a question.How hard was the CFAT for you? Because my problem is English I’m not from Canada, but my math skills is very good and special ability I think will ok to. My CFAT will in one week very worry about that.

Thank you
Yevgeniy
 



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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) [MERGED]
« Reply #2269 on: July 12, 2019, 02:51:31 »
Hi man
I just applied for the infantry for reg.forces
Just have a question.How hard was the CFAT for you? Because my problem is English I’m not from Canada, but my math skills is very good and special ability I think will ok to. My CFAT will in one week very worry about that.

Thank you
Yevgeniy

Yevgeniy, I recommend taking the new (months old now) practice test on the FORCES.ca website and studying the portions that you have difficulty with. Keep in mind that it is a timed test without the use of a calculator.

Personally, I believe this will be better preparation than worrying about the impressions of others.

https://survey-sondage.forces.gc.ca/snapwebhost/s.asp?k=153262975110
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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) [MERGED]
« Reply #2270 on: July 12, 2019, 19:08:49 »
Thank you for your advice sir.
I did that test couple of times, that said I qualified for some positions, which is really good.
So I’ll keep practising and we will see how I’m going to do on my real CFAT.
Good luck to me and all of you guys!!!

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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) [MERGED]
« Reply #2271 on: July 17, 2019, 01:35:11 »
I applied for Weapons Tech at 16 Service Company. I've taken the practice test twice. I know for a fact that I scored 60/60 on the last one. I scored 51/60 my first try.
Both times, at the end, it said the same thing.... "You may qualify for some positions.....etc..."
I did give feedback saying that it would be better if examples are given for which you'd qualify for. I'll just brush up on my algebra for the problem solving until I write the real test. That's where 7 of my 9 wrong answers came from. I've been out of school for 25 years and it shows.
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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) [MERGED]
« Reply #2272 on: August 12, 2019, 14:37:40 »
Hi, I couldn't go for the aptitude test today as i was up all night from a fever due to a cold. I called the recruiting office in the morning and left a msg that i can not attend the test. What do i need to do to schedule it again? Will it be a problem because i couldn't attend it? I am really worried as i been looking forward to join the army .
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Re: Canadian Forces Aptitude Test (CFAT) [MERGED]
« Reply #2273 on: August 12, 2019, 18:59:36 »
Hi, I couldn't go for the aptitude test today as i was up all night from a fever due to a cold. I called the recruiting office in the morning and left a msg that i can not attend the test. What do i need to do to schedule it again? Will it be a problem because i couldn't attend it? I am really worried as i been looking forward to join the army .
Thanks

What you’ve done (leaving a message) is acceptable. However, if you don’t receive any sort of contact within a few business days, I’d contact your RC again and try to speak to a person directly to explain the situation. You should be able to reschedule, although I don’t know how long you’d have to wait.
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« Reply #2274 on: August 20, 2019, 10:49:08 »
My issue was slightly complicated.  The cfat is now a 2 part test. I was given a few days to prepare for a cfat that I already wrote. It seemed to me that I am being tricked into writing , rewriting the cfat with no notice. I still think they are going to make me rewrite ... without telling me I'm being forced to rewrite,  and the entire time being reassured that I will NOT have to rewrite. It feels ...like I'm being played.
Application began approx 2010
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Current first choice  00135
Second. 00136
Third. Avn structures