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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #75 on: November 23, 2019, 21:48:42 »
I don't doubt that Epstein was killed.

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Medical examiner rules Epstein death a suicide by hanging
https://apnews.com/a947e0d85d31496eb5bd9ff4994c9718
NEW YORK (AP) — New York City’s medical examiner ruled Jeffrey Epstein’s death a suicide Friday, confirming after nearly a week of speculation that the financier faced with sex trafficking charges hanged himself in his jail cell.



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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #76 on: November 24, 2019, 01:47:37 »
Renown pathologist Dr Baden says murder.He disputes the hanging theory as  impractical.

https://www.intellectualtakeout.org/article/famed-forensic-pathologist-evidence-points-homicide-rather-suicide-epstein-case


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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #77 on: November 24, 2019, 08:04:45 »
Renown pathologist Dr Baden says murder.

Dr. Baden was hired by the late Mr. Epstein's brother.

He discussed Epstein on the "FOX and Friend's" show, where is a contributor,
https://www.foxnews.com/us/forensic-pathologist-jeffrey-epstein-homicide-suicide

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The findings by Dr. Baden were strongly disputed by the city’s chief medical examiner, ...

Dr. Baden served briefly as New York City’s medical examiner. He was provisionally appointed to the position in 1978 and dismissed just a year later, by Mayor Edward I. Koch.

In 1979, the city health commissioner wrote a letter to Mr. Koch — who was the mayor at the time — saying that Dr. Baden had “exhibited poor judgment in many instances,” including when he said that it appeared former Governor Nelson Rockefeller “had died during sexual intercourse.” He denied saying the remark.

In 1995, when O.J. Simpson was on trial for the murders of his former wife and her companion, Dr. Baden testified that evidence pointed to Mr. Simpson’s innocence.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/30/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-homicide-autopsy-michael-baden.html

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Who is Dr. Michael Baden?

In 2007, Baden was again in the news for questionable conduct, this time as he took the stand in the Phil Spector murder trial. He had a fresh theory of how Spector's alleged victim had died, one that provided room for the defense to explain some blood on Spector’s jacket. During cross examination, the prosecutor asked Baden if he had any conflict of interest in this case.

“None that I can think of,” he said, according to the Los Angeles Times. Moments later it was revealed his wife was one of Spector’s main attorneys.
https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/who-dr-michael-baden-coroner-examined-michael-brown-n183516

"Why You Might Not Want to Believe Michael Baden, Celebrity Pathologist, on Epstein’s Death"
http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/10/why-to-be-skeptical-of-michael-baden-on-epsteins-death.html

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Feds Fight Back as Epstein Death Conspiracy Theories Swirl
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Nov. 23, 2019
https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2019/11/23/business/bc-us-jeffrey-epstein-conspiracy-theories.html
NEW YORK — At another time in history, the indictment of two jail guards responsible for monitoring Jeffrey Epstein the night he killed himself might have served as an emphatic rebuttal to suspicions that the wealthy sex offender was actually murdered.

Not in 2019.

Conspiracy theories continued to flourish, even after prosecutors took pains to point out the ample evidence backing a medical examiner’s determination that Epstein hanged himself.

Video surveillance confirmed, they said in a news release and an indictment, that nobody had entered the area where Epstein was locked in his cell.

The locked door to the unit, they said, could only be opened remotely by an officer in the jail’s control center, plus there was a second locked door to which only correctional officers assigned to the high-security housing unit had the key. Epstein had no roommate, they said, and had died alone.

No matter. Social media buzzed with “Epstein didn’t kill himself” memes, fueled by the financier’s past associations with Britain’s Prince Andrew and U.S. presidents Bill Clinton and Donald Trump.

Dr. Michael Baden, the forensic pathologist hired by Epstein’s family to observe his autopsy, also remains incredulous, saying he wanted to hear from the guards before deciding whether it was suicide or homicide.

Eric Oliver, a University of Chicago professor who studies conspiracy theories, said no amount of evidence presented by government authorities is likely to change some people’s minds.











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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #78 on: November 24, 2019, 11:16:32 »
I think the more likely possibility than Mr Epstein having been murdered is that he was "encouraged" to commit suicide and then given the room to do so.

If even half of what is alleged against him was true, he made some very, very powerful enemies. I doubt that he would have lasted a week in a general prison population.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #79 on: November 24, 2019, 12:34:47 »
I think the more likely possibility than Mr Epstein having been murdered is that he was "encouraged" to commit suicide

Like the encouragement given to Frankie Five Angels?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CWCTExyfQs

and then given the room to do so.

I guess the question for investigators is, was the lack of patrols by the guards on that unit, that night, typical for other nights?

I doubt that he would have lasted a week in a general prison population.

I doubt he would be serving his time in "gen pop".

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #80 on: November 24, 2019, 13:29:43 »
He would never be housed in GP. Such a high profile case and handled so poorly. 🤦‍♂️
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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #81 on: November 24, 2019, 14:24:32 »
I think the more likely possibility than Mr Epstein having been murdered is that he was "encouraged" to commit suicide and then given the room to do so.
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More likely is that he was feeling his world of supreme entitlement and debauchery tumbling down around his ears. People with a lot less trouble then him have committed suicide.

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #82 on: November 24, 2019, 17:30:28 »
I also think whatever department in charge of that jail needs to be investigated.

Looks like they are,

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Hawk Sawyer, ( the new acting head of the Bureau of Prisons ) testified in Congress on Tuesday that the Bureau of Prisons has identified a number of other instances where guards skipped inmate checks and referred those cases to the Justice Department inspector general.

"We are zealously going about trying to determine which of our employees are good employees and who do their job, and that is the vast majority of prison staff, but we do have some I know out there who obviously choose not to follow policy, choose not to do their job, and we want them gone," she said.
https://www.abc-7.com/story/41351392/attorneys-for-jeffrey-epsteins-prison-guards-point-the-blame-at-the-system



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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #83 on: November 25, 2019, 13:11:17 »
I think just the fact of how E. was handled as a prisoner points directly to a cover-up.

Was he murdered? I think if he was; we will never, ever be allowed to know. Just picture that as the result of an official investigation; "Yeah, this guy with dirt on the Clintons and tons of others was totally murdered in US Federal Custody." The press would have the choice of going to war with some of their biggest backers or revealing themselves as integral to covering these crimes up over the past number of decades.

The very idea of an official coroner's report coming to that finding is like a government townhall; the issue was decided. But we needed to be able to say that we looked into it and consulted with the people the decision would affect.

There was never going to be an official ruling of murder, no matter what.

Did he kill himself? If he did; he was explicitly allowed to do so in order to effect the cover-up.


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Re: Jeffrey Epstein, found in his prison cell.
« Reply #84 on: November 25, 2019, 13:59:54 »
Lots of internet conspiracy theories,

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Associated Press
November 23, 2019

NEW YORK (AP) — At another time in history, the indictment of two jail guards responsible for monitoring Jeffrey Epstein the night he killed himself might have served as an emphatic rebuttal to suspicions that the wealthy sex offender was actually murdered.

Not in 2019.

Conspiracy theories continued to flourish, even after prosecutors took pains to point out the ample evidence backing a medical examiner’s determination that Epstein hanged himself.

Video surveillance confirmed, they said in a news release and an indictment, that nobody had entered the area where Epstein was locked in his cell.

The locked door to the unit, they said, could only be opened remotely by an officer in the jail’s control center, plus there was a second locked door to which only correctional officers assigned to the high-security housing unit had the key. Epstein had no roommate, they said, and had died alone.
https://apnews.com/a1ef16a612bd4130a18479c01bd72586