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Re: Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????
« Reply #300 on: July 27, 2020, 16:41:50 »
This is starting to become too heated, I'm out on this thread.

Bummer.
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Re: Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????
« Reply #301 on: July 27, 2020, 18:47:08 »

Agreement between WE and federal government set aside only $500 million for student grants: documents
Program given a $900 million budget — but only $500 million earmarked for grants

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/we-charity-student-grants-trudeau-covid-pandemic-1.5664391

Phantom $400 million? Maybe it was a typo.
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Re: Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????
« Reply #302 on: July 27, 2020, 18:58:16 »
Agreement between WE and federal government set aside only $500 million for student grants: documents
Program given a $900 million budget — but only $500 million earmarked for grants

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/we-charity-student-grants-trudeau-covid-pandemic-1.5664391

Phantom $400 million? Maybe it was a typo.

unfortunately probably not a typo. Toronto real estate isn't cheap

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Re: Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????
« Reply #303 on: July 27, 2020, 19:07:13 »
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-we-charity-contract-came-into-effect-may-5-ottawa-paid-most/?utm_medium=Referrer:+Social+Network+/+Media&utm_campaign=Shared+Web+Article+Links

WE Charity contract called for Ottawa to pay $33-million in administration fees in its first weeks G & M - 27 Jul 20

The deal that WE Charity struck with the federal government allowed it to collect the fee for administering the Canada Student Service Grant within one week of the Trudeau Liberals announcing the group would run the new program.

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Librano math: How the hell does a contract originally claimed to be worth $19-million by the Trudeau government get an advanced payment of $33-million?

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I used to see those kind of advanced payments issued so that teeny tiny little not for profits who had great programs, but needed enough to hire an office person and an intake worker to get the ball rolling.

Global enterprises? Not so much...

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Re: Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????
« Reply #304 on: July 27, 2020, 19:28:13 »
Cant find it now but I thought I read some where WE already accepted millions. In the first week they were "picked".


« Last Edit: July 27, 2020, 19:31:46 by Jarnhamar »
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Re: Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????
« Reply #305 on: July 27, 2020, 21:27:05 »
See reply 304 and the captioned article.  The WE brothers are also scheduled to testify before the Finance Committee ahead of the PM and his COS, Katie Telford. Let's see who throws who under the bus.
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Re: Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????
« Reply #306 on: July 27, 2020, 21:34:15 »
See reply 304 and the captioned article.  The WE brothers are also scheduled to testify before the Finance Committee ahead of the PM and his COS, Katie Telford. Let's see who throws who under the bus.

I mean, its hard to argue that WE didn't know the program was going to be created: Wernick from PCO testified he got a detailed unsolicited proposal the day the program was announced. Depending on the detail, that implies it was something that would take multiple days to put together if it was a proper proposal. You don't just throw a plan for a $1B CAD program onto a bar napkin in an hour if you actually want to run it.

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Re: Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????
« Reply #307 on: July 27, 2020, 21:36:24 »
Wernick is a she at ESDC.  Plenty of problems without getting the facts wrong.
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Re: Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????
« Reply #308 on: July 27, 2020, 22:02:58 »
Wernick is a she at ESDC.  Plenty of problems without getting the facts wrong.

Got confused with the Michael Wernick from PCO. Hard to keep straight how many public servants the Liberals are willing to throw under the bus after their union campaigned for them for the last decade.

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Re: Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????
« Reply #309 on: July 28, 2020, 02:21:49 »
WE Charity's plan to pay teachers to recruit students for grant program posed ethical dilemma for some

The professional code of conduct for teachers varies around the country, but in many places it appears the proposed $12,000 payments would violate the code

 A proposal by WE Charity to pay teachers $12,000 for recruiting student volunteers into the Canada Student Service Grant program would have put many teachers in violation of their professional code of conduct, experts say.

But even though the grant program is now being run by the federal government instead of WE, it’s unclear whether the $12,000 payments might still happen. A week after the National Post asked Employment and Social Development Canada if the teacher payments are happening, the department still hasn’t answered.

“It’s at the very least a moral conflict of interest, but it’s also in violation of many elementary (ethics) rules,” said Marc Boudreau, a labour lawyer and partner at Quebec firm Marceau Boudreau. “The question is: ‘Does the teacher have a personal interest in this situation?’ And the answer is yes, $12,000.”

“Absolutely there is a conflict of interest for teachers,” said Gilles LeVasseur, a law professor at the University of Ottawa. “If you recruited people as a teacher…and you never say ‘I’m doing it on a personal basis,’ you open yourself to disciplinary measures when there’s a violation of the code of conduct.”

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/we-charitys-plan-to-pay-teachers-to-recruit-students-for-grant-program-posed-ethical-dilemma-for-some
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Re: Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????
« Reply #310 on: July 28, 2020, 10:07:16 »
Any predictions on how the PM and his COS will conduct themselves before the Finance Committee?

Combative or contrite?
Forthright or evasive?
Conciliatory or condescending?
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Re: Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????
« Reply #311 on: July 28, 2020, 10:08:45 »
Evasive and condescending, as per their question period and media relations SOP.

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Re: Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????
« Reply #312 on: July 28, 2020, 10:29:16 »
Any predictions on how the PM and his COS will conduct themselves before the Finance Committee?

Combative or contrite?
Forthright or evasive?
Conciliatory or condescending?

 
Did I know it was breaking the rules? Well children are important and because of climate change they're at risk. The conservatives wouldn't have got the CERB out so fast so we wanted to get money in kids hand for their volunteer work.




Meanwhile

WE's history with Beijing, from endorsements in People's Daily to appearances at Chinese embassy


WE flatly denies having become cozy with Beijing authorities, or that China’s abysmal human-rights record calls into question its involvement in the country
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/wes-history-with-beijing-from-endorsements-in-peoples-daily-to-appearances-at-chinese-embassy
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Re: Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????
« Reply #313 on: July 28, 2020, 10:40:10 »



Did I know it was breaking the rules? Well children are important and because of climate change they're at risk. The conservatives wouldn't have got the CERB out so fast so we wanted to get money in kids hand for their volunteer work.

Expected reply: "We note how you use the words "money" and "volunteer" in the same sentence, Prime Minister. The glaring incongruity of your statement is astounding."
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Re: Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????
« Reply #314 on: July 28, 2020, 12:42:26 »
“Paid to volunteer” remains one of the oxyest of oxymorons...but hey, it’s 2020!

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Re: Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????
« Reply #315 on: July 28, 2020, 15:24:46 »

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/we-charity-founders-testify-at-parliamentary-committee-1.5665748
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Earlier in the day, the former chair of the WE Charity board of directors told MPs on the Commons finance committee this afternoon that the board was told that speakers were not being paid for appearing at WE Day events — even though WE later confirmed that its for-profit arm had paid Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's mother and brother thousands of dollars for speaking at such events.

"The WE Charity board always understood that speakers were not paid by the charity or the related organizations to speak at WE Day. The board made direct inquiries on this issue," said Michelle Douglas, who worked at WE Charity for 15 years. 

WE Charity confirmed earlier this month that Prime Minister Trudeau's mother Margaret was paid about $250,000 for speaking at 28 events by Me to WE, the charity's for-profit arm, while his brother Alexandre spoke at eight events and received about $32,000.


Past guest speakers for these WE events were told they don't get paid for speaking.
The chair of WE Charity’s board of directors asked if guest speakers were paid and was told no.
Somehow  Sophie Gregoire-Trudeau, Margaret Trudeau and Alexandre Trudeau were all paid.

I'm comfortable chalking that up to an accident. Some kind of clerical error. Well, 37 clerical errors.
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Re: Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????
« Reply #316 on: July 28, 2020, 17:50:41 »
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/we-charity-founders-testify-at-parliamentary-committee-1.5665748

Past guest speakers for these WE events were told they don't get paid for speaking.
The chair of WE Charity’s board of directors asked if guest speakers were paid and was told no.
Somehow  Sophie Gregoire-Trudeau, Margaret Trudeau and Alexandre Trudeau were all paid.

I'm comfortable chalking that up to an accident. Some kind of clerical error. Well, 37 clerical errors.

Come on Jarn, the explanation was simple.  The speaking part wasn’t paid for.  They got paid for ancillary events before and after.  Speaking was all pro bono...

This thing gets worse and worse....
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Re: Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????
« Reply #317 on: July 29, 2020, 19:20:28 »
Quote from: Remius

This thing gets worse and worse....

Like paying half a million for US political consultants and a hiring private investigation firm to dig up dirt on journalists being critical of them?

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/amp/politics/article-we-charity-spent-hundreds-of-thousands-on-us-political-consultants/?__twitter_impression=true
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Re: Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????
« Reply #318 on: July 29, 2020, 19:26:19 »
This thing gets worse and worse....

I just hope that the CPC can sort out their crap, and fast.....
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Re: Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????
« Reply #319 on: July 29, 2020, 19:48:53 »
I just hope that the CPC can sort out their crap, and fast.....

I agree but when the bill for all that Covid money and other spending comes due eventually, that will take them down I wager.
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Re: Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????
« Reply #320 on: July 29, 2020, 22:33:50 »
Sounds like a few army events I've been to.
"It's not mandaroy... but you need to go".

I wonder why WE employees were being pressured to goto Bill Morneaus party.

Non disclosure agreements as well.

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The guests posing for photos at a holiday party Bill Morneau held in his downtown Toronto riding in December 2018 were all smiles, but not everyone was having a good time.

Several former employees of WE Charity have told CBC News they felt pressured to attend the event and claimed they were not told by their supervisors that the party would be hosted by the federal finance minister and MP for Toronto Centre.

"None of us wanted to go," said a former employee, whom CBC News has agreed to refer to as Robin.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/we-charity-morneau-party-1.5667466



Better throw in some spying on children into the mix.

LILLEY: Committee learns WE hired investigators to spy on children of journalist
https://torontosun.com/news/national/lilley-committee-learns-we-hired-investigators-to-spy-on-children-of-journalist

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Re: Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????
« Reply #321 on: July 29, 2020, 23:21:17 »
Sounds like a few army events I've been to.
"It's not mandaroy... but you need to go".

I wonder why WE employees were being pressured to goto Bill Morneaus party.

Non disclosure agreements as well.
 
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/we-charity-morneau-party-1.5667466



Better throw in some spying on children into the mix.

LILLEY: Committee learns WE hired investigators to spy on children of journalist
https://torontosun.com/news/national/lilley-committee-learns-we-hired-investigators-to-spy-on-children-of-journalist

I've highlighted this as organized crime and political criminals use this tactic all the time.

The Mob, bikers, cartels etc all used this tactic or variations.

In my mind the Kielbergers (I may not have spelled this right) need to be investigated - by a competent police agency (not the RCMP) and if charges are warranted march the little b@stards to jail very publicly.
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Re: Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????
« Reply #322 on: August 01, 2020, 10:30:46 »
Great video from a Monteal lawyer/legal video YouTuber giving a summary of another Liberal scandal saying what it actually is: Corruption at the highest levels with Canada's political elite playing by different rules than normal Canadians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAr7bpUCDBg

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Re: Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????
« Reply #323 on: August 04, 2020, 13:24:21 »
Got confused with the Michael Wernick from PCO. Hard to keep straight how many public servants the Liberals are willing to throw under the bus after their union campaigned for them for the last decade.

Hehe. I'm positive she happens to be Michael's sister ;)
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Re: Liberal Minority Government 2019 - ????
« Reply #324 on: August 04, 2020, 21:34:27 »
With WE in the news it's time for SNC to get back to work.

Quebec company with no factory in Canada lands 10-year $133M sole-sourced federal deal to make PPE

Medicom has since received a $4M loan from the Government of Québec to build a new factory in Montréal and the contractor hired was SNC-Lavalin Group

https://nationalpost.com/news/local-news/quebec-company-with-no-factory-snags-133m-contract-to-make-ppe/wcm/80650ebd-0967-44cd-a14b-bc4b8d46404a/
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