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Re: All things Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)
« Reply #150 on: February 11, 2020, 09:14:31 »
Experiences may vary ;)

They sure do.

As Dickens said, “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times."

Financially, it was the best of times. Other than that, it was the worst time of my life.

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Re: All things Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)
« Reply #151 on: February 11, 2020, 09:30:57 »


Financially, it was the best of times. Other than that, it was the worst time of my life.

What happened?
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Re: All things Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)
« Reply #152 on: February 11, 2020, 10:48:29 »
Not normally the most reliable of sources but the daily beast has an article from two days ago highlighting the big unknown: what is happening in North Korea?  There are no reported cases yet there was a significant traffic flow between the two countries until well after the corona outbreak.  It seems highly unlikely that none of that traffic crossing the border had contact with the virus and the health system in NK is totally incapable of dealing with an epidemic of any nature.  That possibility is very scarey

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Re: All things Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)
« Reply #153 on: February 11, 2020, 11:10:29 »
A new name!

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51466362
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Coronavirus officially named Covid-19, says WHO

The World Health Organization says the official name for the new coronavirus will be Covid-2019.

"We now have a name for the disease and it's Covid-19," WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus told reporters in Geneva.

It comes after the death toll from the virus passed 1,000. Tens of thousands of people have been infected.

The word coronavirus refers to the group of viruses it belongs to, rather than the latest strain.

Researchers have been calling for an official name to avoid confusion and stigmatisation.

"We had to find a name that did not refer to a geographical location, an animal, an individual or group of people, and which is also pronounceable and related to the disease," the WHO chief said.

"Having a name matters to prevent the use of other names that can be inaccurate or stigmatising. It also gives us a standard format to use for any future coronavirus outbreaks"

There are now more than 42,200 confirmed cases across China. The number of deaths has overtaken that of the Sars epidemic in 2003.

On Monday, some 103 died in Hubei province alone, a daily record, and the national death toll is now 1,016.

But the number of new infections nationally was down almost 20% from the day before, from 3,062 to 2,478.
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Re: All things Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)
« Reply #154 on: February 11, 2020, 11:24:33 »
What happened?

From what I understand, prior to SARS, there had not been a quarantine in Canada in 50 years.

526 of us - out of 700 - were quarantined. That's a pretty high ratio for a relatively small group of people. It was widely reported in the news.

To maintain 9-1-1 coverage, those of us who were not sick, were put on "working quarantine". 12 hours on - 12 hours off.

In public, we had to wear nitrile gloves, gown, N95 respirator, and protective goggles, or a face shield.

Fear and frustration are natural. But, what really hurt was the stigma: "a mark of disgrace associated with a particular circumstance".

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Re: All things Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)
« Reply #155 on: February 11, 2020, 12:38:13 »
From what I understand, prior to SARS, there had not been a quarantine in Canada in 50 years.


Maybe as not as widespread, but I seem to recall as a youngster (late 1950s - early 1960s) the occasional family being quarantined for polio, though by that time, with the introduction of Salk and later Sabin vaccines, that practice was rare.  I suppose that similar measures were in place for TB, though by that time the "San" (Sanitorium) was on it's last legs as an institution.

While you may have either first hand or anecdotal knowledge of the 1976 Lassa Fever case, some of the reports I saw of that incident indicated that health care staff were quarantined during the period.  One of the outshoots of the Lassa Fever fears in the 1970s was that DND accepted the role for providing a containment isolation capability at NDMC Ottawa for highly infectious exotic diseases.  I was a member of the team (it was a secondary duty) in the early 1980s.  While we exercised occasionally (including the aeromedical transport aspect, was also in that team) the Vickers Containment Isolator was (to my knowledge) only used once during that period.  It was a "suspected" Lassa Fever that was later confirmed as not being Lassa.   However, in the interim the unit operated as per protocol which included segregating the floor wing on which the isolator was located, quarantining the patient care team to that wing (living in the patient rooms) and maintaining very strict isolation technique.  There was one other occasion when it was contemplated to use the isolation unit and that was when a request was made by other local civilian hospitals if we would accept care of patients with a newly identified infection - AIDS.
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Re: All things Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)
« Reply #156 on: February 11, 2020, 13:31:13 »
Maybe as not as widespread, but I seem to recall as a youngster (late 1950s - early 1960s) the occasional family being quarantined for polio, though by that time, with the introduction of Salk and later Sabin vaccines, that practice was rare.  I suppose that similar measures were in place for TB, though by that time the "San" (Sanitorium) was on it's last legs as an institution.

I certainly remember the "Weston San" on Buttonwood Ave.

While you may have either first hand or anecdotal knowledge of the 1976 Lassa Fever case, some of the reports I saw of that incident indicated that health care staff were quarantined during the period.

I remember it, ( anecdotally, thankfully ).  :)

I knew / know the two crews involved.

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THE TORONTO LASSA FEVER SCARE OF 1976
Eleven Days of Fear

Lassa Fever is an acute viral illness that was discovered in West Africa, in 1969.  This is a zoonotic (animal borne virus), spread by the "multimammate rat. Lassa Fever can also be spread from person to person if there is blood, tissue, excretions or secretion transmission. 

Typically signs and symptoms  occur 1-3 weeks after the patient is exposed to the virus.  These symptoms include: fever, sore throat, retrosternal pain ,cough, back pain, abdominal pain, vomiting, diarrhea, conjunctivitis, facial swelling, proteinuria (protein in urine) and mucosal bleeding.  Hearing loss, tremors and encephalitis can also occur. This disease invades the body's organs and damages the circulatory system.
During the Toronto scare the mortality rate was 30-50%. However with more advanced treatments now, it is 15-30%.

The Toronto area has faced various epidemics over the years; with the last being the SARS outbreak of 2003. Previous to SARS, Southern Ontario faced the threat of the deadly Lassa Fever.

Pat Fxxxxxx and I were working a night shift on August 2nd, 1976.  At approximately 01:30 we received a call to respond to Terminal One at the airport for a collapse. Upon arrival we located a collapsed female just outside Canada Customs with a laceration to her head. We treated this patient as a suspected cardiac patient based on her signs and symptoms and transported her to Etobicoke General hospital.

Two weeks later we were contacted and told to report to Etobicoke General Hospital the next morning at 07:30 for follow-up regarding a patient we had carried a few weeks previously. No reasons offered, just be there.
Upon arriving at the EGH employee health clinic the next morning we soon learned that we had cared for a Lassa Fever patient and there was a strong possibility that we may have been infected. Persons having contact with this patient were required to go through daily blood tests, temperature monitoring and assessment for any signs of this illness. Included in this group were one hundred and forty hospital staff.

That same morning, the Minister of Health placed a quarantine on Etobicoke General Hospital. Only seriously ill patients remained and others were discharged. Police guards insured that no one could enter, and the emergency department was shut down. 

It was further decided that Pat and I were to be assigned to an isolation ambulance on night shift with the responsibility to care for and transport any suspected cases of Lassa Fever in southern Ontario. I suspect the feeling at the time was if anyone was going to catch it, it might as well be the Medics that probably have it already rather than risk others.
There were 407 passengers and a crew of 18 on this flight from England. Many of these people had since spread out all over Canada and around the world.

The Public Health authorities had the monumental task of trying to track down the potential carriers of this disease. Even though general alerts were issued to all Doctors and health institutions, only 165 possible contacts had been located after the first five days of this alert.

The 12 station crew of Vince Dxxx and John Fxxxx who also attended to another patient off the same flight that night, were assigned to the day shift isolation ambulance.
 On our first night at 12 station (which was then located in the hospital service bays behind Etobicoke General Hospital),I realized that we did not have any infection gowns and other equipment. I was directed to enter the hospital and seek out such equipment. It was not until I did this (passing through the Police Guard) that I began to realize how serious this situation was. The hospital was a ghost town with only a few cleaners inside gowned and masked, scrubbing down all the walls and floors.

Since 12 station was strictly out of bounds to all other Medics the shifts were quiet, with the exception of periodically responding to the emergency entrance to care for someone until another ambulance could arrive or waking up the odd standby crew who dozed off.
One night the hospital had all it's phone lines accidentally cut by a contractor, which caused a complete communication breakdown.

By the eighth morning, our arms were getting sore from the daily blood tests. It was at this point that the hospital officials made a diagnosis that I may have also contracted LASSA FEVER. 
I was immediately masked, the clinic was cleared, two fully isolated nurses then escourted me from the basement clinic to the 9th floor isolation area. 
As I was being escorted through the halls, the few people remaining in the hospital were warned to stand clear, because a "Lassa Fever" patient was coming through. I now know what a condemned prisoner feels when going to the gallows. I was escourted to a room adjacent to the infected patient I had brought in three weeks earlier.  In the background, I could hear her respirator working as I was given strict orders that I was not permitted to leave the room under any circumstances.

What started out as a routine call for a collapse had now turned out to be my death sentence.
This is a warning to everyone! It is usually the cases that you do not suspect that will come back to haunt you.
Later that morning, the specialists deemed me not to be infected and permitted me to leave. I think I was out of there before they finished their sentence.

The media reported this event daily, similar to what occurred during the SARS outbreak.
 Dr. Charles Godfrey, N. D. P.,  M.P.P. for Durham West, was quoted in the Aug 14, 1976 edition of the Toronto star as saying.

" There is no doubt that a major outbreak of a contagious disease is coming to Metro." "We have been lucky and putting suspected patients in a general hospital is no way to control it." He went on to further indicate that the province should set up special isolation units to contain similar future outbreaks.
The Aug 18 , 1976  edition of the Toronto Star further reported.
" Hotel spokesmen indicate that the fear of Lassa Fever is keeping some U.S. tourists away from Toronto." Sound familiar?

There were many lessons learned by this emergency, and it proved that the province was not prepared for such events.
As a result of this event, new infectious control guidelines were developed, and an ambulance was converted into a dedicated infectious patient ambulance, to deal with similar situations.

Unfortunately it was not until the  2003 SARS outbreak that we soon learned how unprepared we actually were. Since that outbreak,  infection control procedures have greatly improved and once again an "infectious patient ambulance" has been built.

As for the patient who was admitted with Lassa Fever, she eventually recovered and was discharged from hospital.

Once again we survived a deadly event.






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Re: All things Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)
« Reply #157 on: February 12, 2020, 22:16:24 »
I was watching the news this evening and they reported on how the virus spread through the plumbing pipes infecting 2 people in an apartment building who were 10 floors apart.

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Re: All things Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)
« Reply #158 on: February 12, 2020, 22:42:04 »
Video floating around purporting to show officials welding doors shut to contain the infected.

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Re: All things Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)
« Reply #159 on: February 12, 2020, 22:59:08 »
How many blackbirds can you bake in a pie? Ask this guy....


Bag of dead birds from China confiscated from passenger at US airport

https://www.ladbible.com/news/news-us-officials-confiscate-bag-of-dead-birds-from-chinese-plane-passenger-20200211
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Re: All things Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)
« Reply #160 on: February 13, 2020, 06:55:52 »
I was watching the news this evening and they reported on how the virus spread through the plumbing pipes infecting 2 people in an apartment building who were 10 floors apart.
More on that ...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/12/asia/hong-kong-coronavirus-pipes-intl-hnk/index.html
Video floating around purporting to show officials welding doors shut to contain the infected.
More on that ...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10925668/coronavirus-patients-welded-homes-china/
https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/columnists/story/2020-02-12/column-life-in-china-under-the-coronavirus-threat

Meanwhile, latest stats attached - the big jump is reportedly because of new diagnostic criteria:
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... “From today on, we will include the number of clinically diagnosed cases into the number of confirmed cases so that patients could receive timely treatment,” the health authority said. Previously, patients could only be diagnosed by test kits, which has seen a shortage of supply across the country ...
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Re: All things Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)
« Reply #162 on: February 13, 2020, 18:40:57 »
Not normally the most reliable of sources but the daily beast has an article from two days ago highlighting the big unknown: what is happening in North Korea?  There are no reported cases yet there was a significant traffic flow between the two countries until well after the corona outbreak.  It seems highly unlikely that none of that traffic crossing the border had contact with the virus and the health system in NK is totally incapable of dealing with an epidemic of any nature.  That possibility is very scarey

It looks like they just shoot them

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/breaking-north-korea-executes-coronavirus-21488604

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Re: All things Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)
« Reply #163 on: February 13, 2020, 21:11:18 »
Am I the only one hearing "I'm doing my part!" when looking at this graphic being shared by Chinese military media*?

* - edited to link to archive.org save of original page.
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« Reply #164 on: February 13, 2020, 22:24:28 »
Yeah ... sooooo...don’t click on web links from the Chinese government from a DND or corporate computer, and please do not download their image files.  :tsktsk:

Ours are fine  :nod:
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« Reply #165 on: February 14, 2020, 01:38:14 »
At a cadet change of command parade tonight at Seaforth's. I suppose it's a coincidence that there were a whole bunch of NBC suits and gloves hang over the balcony to air out?  8)

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« Reply #166 on: February 14, 2020, 06:54:46 »
Yeah ... sooooo...don’t click on web links from the Chinese government from a DND or corporate computer, and please do not download their image files.  :tsktsk:

Ours are fine  :nod:
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« Reply #167 on: February 14, 2020, 17:36:11 »
Anyone remember Jim Bakker? ( Convicted and sentenced to federal prison for eight counts of mail fraud, 15 counts of wire fraud and one count of conspiracy. )
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Re: All things Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)
« Reply #168 on: February 16, 2020, 07:08:09 »
Aircrew #2 good to go ...
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Further to my previous statements, as Chief Public Health Officer, I have assessed additional individuals in quarantine at Canadian Forces Base (CFB) Trenton pursuant to an Emergency Order under the Quarantine Act and determined that they do not pose a risk of significant harm to public health.

I have authorized the release of 23 flight crew members who accompanied the returning travellers on the second Canada-chartered flight from Wuhan to Vancouver to CFB Trenton. In my assessment, I took into account the fact that they did not spend time in the epicentre of the outbreak, that they followed appropriate infection prevention and control protocols (including the use of personal protective equipment), and that they did not have unprotected contact with passengers or persons at risk of having the novel coronavirus. As a result of this assessment, I have determined that their continued quarantine is not required.
... and more folks coming back to Canada:
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The Honourable François-Philippe Champagne, Minister of Foreign Affairs, the Honourable Patty Hajdu, Minister of Health, and the Honourable Harjit Sajjan, Minister of National Defence, today announced that the Government of Canada has chartered a plane to repatriate Canadians on board the Diamond Princess cruise ship docked in Yokohama, Japan.

This decision was taken because of the extraordinary circumstances faced by passengers on the Diamond Princess and to lighten the burden on the Japanese health-care system. We are working closely with Carnival Cruise Lines and the Government of Japan to assist in this evacuation.

The aircraft will bring passengers from Japan to Canadian Forces Base Trenton, after which they will be assessed and transported to the NAV Canada Training Institute in Cornwall, Ontario, to undergo a further 14-day period of quarantine.

Before boarding in Japan, passengers will be screened for symptoms. Those who exhibit symptoms of COVID-19 will not be permitted to board and will instead be transferred to the Japanese health system to receive appropriate care.

Those who remain in Japan will continue to receive full consular services from the Government of Canada.

In addition to experts from the Public Health Agency of Canada and Canadian Armed Forces medical personnel, four members of the Standing Rapid Deployment Team (SRDT) are on the ground in Tokyo to assist Canadians during this difficult time ...

Edited to add latest numbers, attached ...
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Re: All things Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)
« Reply #170 on: February 18, 2020, 14:37:51 »
A FB post from a discussion on how a epidemic in the US might impact the upcoming US elections:

 The election impact is fascinating to game out.
In theory, quarantines will happen in urban and suburban areas. This will disproportionately impact Blue areas, which should skew the election(s) Red.
HOWEVER ...
Quarantines could see emergency measures to implement ballot harvesting, voting by phone, etc ... which would skew the election(s) Blue.
It’s even possible (dare I say likely?) that such measures would be imposed by the courts, if the other branches of government fail to act.
Most interesting is the prospect of delaying the election. For all the talk of Trump being an anti-democratic autocrat, in the event of quarantines it would be in his interests to allow the elections to proceed as scheduled, while it would be the Democrats urging postponement. Indeed, again, the courts could step in to force such a postponement.

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« Reply #171 on: February 18, 2020, 16:34:14 »

HOWEVER ...
Quarantines could see emergency measures to implement ballot harvesting, voting by phone, etc ... which would skew the election(s) Blue.
It%u2019s even possible (dare I say likely?) that such measures would be imposed by the courts, if the other branches of government fail to act.
Most interesting is the prospect of delaying the election. For all the talk of Trump being an anti-democratic autocrat, in the event of quarantines it would be in his interests to allow the elections to proceed as scheduled, while it would be the Democrats urging postponement. Indeed, again, the courts could step in to force such a postponement.

The possibility of postponing a general election in the US has been considered before (maybe several times before), so this 2004 Congressional Research Service report, "Executive Branch Power to Postpone Elections", is probably a good read before getting into what-if.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/RL32471.pdf
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Summary

Because of the continuing threat of terrorism, concerns have been raised about
the potential for terrorist events to occur close to or during the voting process for the
November 2004 elections. For instance, the question has been raised as to whether
a sufficiently calamitous event could result in the postponement of the election, and
what mechanisms are in place to deal with such an event. This report focuses on who
has the constitutional authority to postpone elections, to whom such power could be
delegated, and what legal limitations exist to such a postponement.

Traditionally, all voting %u2014 whether federal, state or local %u2014 occurs in local
precinct polling places, and state or local authorities have a significant role in
regulating such voting. Congress, however, also has authority to regulate elections,
and that authority may vary depending on whether the election is for the Presidency,
the House, the Senate, or for state or local offices. While the Executive Branch has
significant delegated authority regarding some aspects of election law, this authority
does not currently extend to setting or changing the times of elections
.

Under a variety of possible scenarios that could arise as a result of a terrorist
attack before or during an election, either the Congress or the states might pass
legislation which would affect the timing of these elections. The suggestion has been
made, however, that the Executive Branch might have some role in determining
whether an election is to occur or whether it can be cancelled. While the Executive
Branch does not currently have this power, it appears that Congress may be able to
delegate this power to the Executive Branch by enacting a statute.

There has been no change in applicable legislation since.
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Re: All things Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)
« Reply #173 on: February 18, 2020, 17:29:05 »
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« Reply #174 on: February 18, 2020, 21:47:32 »
Anyone remember Jim Bakker? ( Convicted and sentenced to federal prison for eight counts of mail fraud, 15 counts of wire fraud and one count of conspiracy. )
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The comments under the video are pretty hilarious
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