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Re: Defending Canadian Arctic Sovereignty
« Reply #525 on: May 12, 2019, 12:25:55 »
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Yeah, we're committed alright. To the strip on land about 200 miles wide along the US Border that contains 99.9% of Canadian voters.


Every time i go home and see the poverty of Northern Ontario, my exact sentiments to this statement are reinforced. When I speak to seniors who live up there, they tell me they are living on land that no one can make useful after it has been exploited, all the benefit of the land has gone to the wealth of that 200 mile strip. I think this true. I also think that will never change in the lifetime of anyone is alive today, or in 50 years.

I was shocked at how little infrastructure there is in Northern ontario. Every other Province has put far more effort to open their northern regions, considering their historical headstart, it's plain laziness of the politicians and voters.

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Re: Defending Canadian Arctic Sovereignty
« Reply #526 on: May 12, 2019, 16:20:56 »
That, Colin is because Ontarian think that North Bay is way up in the North and there is nothing beyond.  :nod:

Little do they realize that North Bay is only very slightly North of Ottawa or Montreal, and definitely South of most other non-Ontarian large Canadian cities, like Quebec, St. John's, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Calgary or Vancouver (yes! Vancouver).

Since most Of Ontario's population live in that southern "dagger" into the US, their view of what constitutes "North" is skewed.

Toronto's "We the North" motto for  expressing support for the Raptors is sort of funny when you consider that they are barely more than 130 Km North of Boston (Celtics), and are themselves 140 Km South of the Minneapolis' Timberwolves and definitely 245 Km South of the Portland Trailblazers.
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Re: Defending Canadian Arctic Sovereignty
« Reply #527 on: May 12, 2019, 19:22:40 »
Given the amount of effort Ontario put into first put into aquiring the North in the first place. Including the infamous Rat Portage war of 1883.
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Re: Defending Canadian Arctic Sovereignty
« Reply #528 on: May 12, 2019, 20:41:44 »
That, Colin is because Ontarian think that North Bay is way up in the North and there is nothing beyond.  :nod:

Heck, I think most Ontarians think the Muskoka's are the end of civilization!

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Little do they realize that North Bay is only very slightly North of Ottawa or Montreal, and definitely South of most other non-Ontarian large Canadian cities, like Quebec, St. John's, Winnipeg, Edmonton, Calgary or Vancouver (yes! Vancouver).

Not only that, but it is also south of the 49th parallel - the international border between western Canada and the US.
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Re: Defending Canadian Arctic Sovereignty
« Reply #529 on: May 13, 2019, 06:53:28 »
My wife, who is a Northern Ontario girl but taught in Toronto for a number of years, used to say that the average Toronto resident thought the north started at Eglinton Avenue.

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Re: Defending Canadian Arctic Sovereignty
« Reply #530 on: May 13, 2019, 09:37:15 »
My wife, who is a Northern Ontario girl but taught in Toronto for a number of years, used to say that the average Toronto resident thought the north started at Eglinton Avenue.

As someone who grew up in Windsor, Ontario.....don't ask me where the 'North' starts.....

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Re: Defending Canadian Arctic Sovereignty
« Reply #531 on: May 13, 2019, 09:56:35 »
Or Canada could just put on its adult clothes and actually pay the real costs of sovereignty.

Instead of just mouthing platitudes.

While I understand what you wrote, but pay with what? Are we ready for tax increase or cuts to other government services or cuts to social benefits?

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Re: Defending Canadian Arctic Sovereignty
« Reply #532 on: May 13, 2019, 10:15:04 »
While I understand what you wrote, but pay with what? Are we ready for tax increase or cuts to other government services or cuts to social benefits?
  Yes, quit subsidising laziness and supporting leeches also known as multiple layers of bureaucracy.

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Re: Defending Canadian Arctic Sovereignty
« Reply #533 on: May 13, 2019, 10:20:49 »
  Yes, quit subsidising laziness and supporting leeches also known as multiple layers of bureaucracy.

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Re: Defending Canadian Arctic Sovereignty
« Reply #534 on: May 13, 2019, 10:22:08 »
While I understand what you wrote, but pay with what? Are we ready for tax increase or cuts to other government services or cuts to social benefits?

We could start with 'not giving the money away that we need for ourselves'.  Why not stop wasting the tax money the government already gets and prioritize spending better? 

I know. silly ideas.
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Re: Defending Canadian Arctic Sovereignty
« Reply #535 on: May 13, 2019, 11:00:31 »
BC has invested more effort in our Northern Regions with a much smaller population base and less time. A lot of it due to politicians who had large visions like WAC Bennett.

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Re: Defending Canadian Arctic Sovereignty
« Reply #536 on: May 15, 2019, 12:27:09 »
Following through on USN's, USCG's and Sec. Pompeo's big arctic talk (though not actually there):

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Theodore Roosevelt Strike Group in Alaska for High-End, Joint Exercise Northern Edge 2019

An aircraft carrier is in Alaska for Exercise Northern Edge for the first time in a decade, as the service continues to prioritize re-learning how to operate in the Arctic.

Northern Edge 2019 is a high-end joint exercise hosted by U.S. Indo-Pacific Command and focused on air warfare that runs May 13 through 24. About 10,000 personnel are participating, about half of which come from the Theodore Roosevelt Carrier Strike Group currently operating in the Gulf of Alaska. Strike group assets include Carrier Strike Group 9 leadership, USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN-71), Carrier Air Wing 11, USS Russell (DDG-59), USS Kidd (DDG-100), USS John Finn (DDG-113) and USNS Henry J. Kaiser (T-AO-187).

Rear Adm. Dan Dwyer, who commands the Theodore Roosevelt Carrier Strike Group, told USNI News in a phone call from aboard the carrier that “this is one of the premier exercises for the INDO-PACIFIC commanders. … Northern Edge is designed to sharpen all of our skills, tactical combat operating skills; improve our ability to command and control forces, establish those command relationships; develop our communication networks; with an overall goal of increasing interoperability within the joint force, particularly in the INDO-PACOM region.”

He said the exercise covers command and control over both land and maritime domains, and so “all participants, whether it’s the air wing or the destroyers, are integral to that mission set and each all plug into the higher command and control piece” to share information and work together under a single joint force commander.

Dwyer said his crew was excited to begin the joint event, which would pair the carrier air wing’s F/A-18E/F Super Hornets, EA-18G Growlers and E-2 Hawkeyes with ground-based Navy P-8A Poseidon maritime surveillance aircraft, Marine Corps F-35B Joint Strike Fighters and KC-130 cargo and refueling aircraft, and Air Force jets such as the F-22 and F-15. Any time that many types of aircraft come together to work in a range of mission areas “is incredibly valuable, especially as we talk about exercising at the highest potential of a joint force. So to come together with all those platforms will increase our readiness and our lethality across the board.”

This opportunity is especially valuable to the Navy as it seeks to relearn old lessons about operating in the high latitudes. Last year’s Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group deployment included a jaunt north of the Arctic Circle and in frigid Norwegian waters before and during the NATO exercise Trident Juncture 2018.

Dwyer said he couldn’t speak to the Truman CSG experience, but he said the Navy has operated in the Alaskan Gulf area for 30 years and had many after-action reports for the strike group team to pore over ahead of the exercise.

“As Navy Secretary Richard Spencer told Congress recently, the Navy is deepening our commitment to Arctic security and operations in Alaska,” the admiral said.

“The Alaskan (operating area) is critical to the INDO-PACOM region. The expansive training areas offered here in Alaska provide us with an excellent environment to fully engage and conduct integrated, large-scale joint training exercises unmatched anywhere else in the United States, I must say. The Arctic ice cap is as small as we’ve seen in our lifetime, and this gives rise to increasing trade routes and sea lanes that are open more times of the year, so it’s incredibly important that we as an Arctic nation continue to operate in this area to protect this vital area to our national defense.”..
https://news.usni.org/2019/05/14/theodore-roosevelt-strike-group-in-alaska-for-high-end-joint-exercise-northern-edge-2019

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