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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1000 on: September 27, 2017, 21:07:47 »
Why not just call it MPANCMAOTC.   ;D
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1001 on: October 21, 2017, 00:29:34 »
Long story short...

I am currently a 5s qualified ATIS Tech and looking at VOT-T to AESOp. I am in Shearwater right now and have heard from many guys in trade that they are looking for new people.
My dad was an AESOp for 25ish years and currently running the simulator for the cyclone. So we both hear a lot of info.
From what I can understand I can apply for the trade by Jan 2018 under the VOT-T level. So fingers crossed I guess.

I've read all the recent threads here and love the wealth of information. Thank you.
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1002 on: October 21, 2017, 06:16:51 »
So you know what the trade's about then somewhat...some get into it that don't.

The main ref is CFAO 11-12, but you'll notice in the CANFORGEN they use language like "who are OFP"...the CFAO doesn't have this language in it.  You're QL5 so it won't matter;it just irks me when the CAF doesn't follow it's own policy.  Anyways...

In case you haven't seen it yet...

CANFORGEN 128/17 CMP 062/17 211447Z JUL 17
2018/2019 VOLUNTARY OCCUPATION TRANSFER (VOT) PROGRAM FOR NCM COMPETITION
UNCLASSIFIED

REFS: A. CFAO 11-12
B. MOSID ENTRY STANDARDS - http://HTTP://CMP-CPM.FORCES.MIL.CA/EN/SUPPORT/MILITARY-PERSONNEL/DPGR_OCCUPATIONS.PAGE
C. TERMS OF SERVICE - http://HTTP://CMP-CPM.MIL.CA/EN/RECRUITMENT-CAREERS/TERMS-OF-SERVICE/INDEX.PAGE
D. DAOD 5023-2
E. http://HTTP://WWW.FORCES.GC.CA/EN/ABOUT-POLICIES-STANDARDS-MEDICAL-OCCUPATIONS/OFFICER-NCM-MINIMUM-MEDICAL-STANDARDS.PAGE- CFP 154 ANNEX E - MINIM MEDICAL STANDARDS FOR NON-COMMISSIONED MEMBERS
F. FSG 100-01 AIRCREW MEDICAL SELECTION PARA 3A
G. http://HTTP://CMP-CPM.MIL.CA/EN/RECRUITMENT-CAREERS/IN-SERVICE-SELECTION/INDEX.PAGE
H. VOT APPLICATION FORM http://HTTP://CMP-CPM.MIL.CA/EN/RECRUITMENT-CAREERS/IN-SERVICE-SELECTION/INDEX.PAGE

1.   THE NCM VOT PROGRAM GOVERNS THE VOLUNTARY TRANSFER OF REG F NCMS FROM ONE MILITARY OCCUPATION TO ANOTHER. THE VOT PROGRAM INCLUDES THE ANNUAL VOLUNTARY OCCUPATION TRANSFER PROGRAM (AVOTP), CONTINUING OCCUPATION TRANSFER PROGRAM (COT AND LAND OCCUPATION TRANSFER PROGRAM (LOTP) IAW REF A. 
2.   THE 2018/2019 VOT PROGRAM FOR OFP QUALIFIED CANDIDATES IS OPENED TO ALL OF THE NCM OCCUPATIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH REF A AND THE 2018/2019 CAF INTERNAL STRATEGI INTAKE PLAN (SIP) FOR REG F PERSONNEL 
3.   ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA FOR THE VOT PROGRAM IS IDENTIFIED AT REF A AND AMPLIFIED IN THE MOSID ENTRY STANDARDS AT REF B. 
A.   APPLICANTS MUST MEET THE CAF MINIMUM PHYSICAL FITNESS STANDARD (REF D) AND TH MOSID MEDICAL STANDARD SPECIFIED FOR THE TARGETED OCCUPATION AT THE TIME OF APPLICATION (REF E). IN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE POTENTIAL APPLICANTS DO NOT MEET THE REQUIRED MEDICAL STANDARD BUT HAVE BEEN RETAINED WITHOUT RESTRICTION IN THEIR CURRENT OCCUPATION AS A RESULT OF AN AR/MEL PROCESS, OR THEIR MEDICAL CATEGORY STILL MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THEIR CURRENT OCCUPATION, THEN A WAIVER MAY BE REQUESTED, IF JUSTIFIED, BASED ON THEIR MELS. WAIVER PROCESS IS AVAILABLE AT RE G 
B.   FOR APPLICANTS APPLYING FOR SF OP THE 48 MONTH CONTINUOUS SERVICE REQUIREMENT IS REDUCED TO 24 MONTHS FOR THIS COMPETITION. 
C.   FORMER RMS CLKS WISHING TO TRANSFER FROM HRA TO FSA/FSA TO HRA MAY SUBMIT AN APPLICATION THROUGH THEIR COC. SUCCESSFUL APPLICANTS MAY RETAIN CURRENT RANK BAS ON RESULTS OF A PLAR PROVIDED A VACANCY EXISTS AT THAT RANK IN THE GAINING OCCUPATION.
4.   COMPLETED VOT APPLICATIONS ARE TO BE RECEIVED ELECTRONICALLY AT (PLUS SIGN) (PLUS SIGN)DMCPG 5(AT SIGN)CMP DMCPG(AT SIGN)OTTAWA-HULL BY THE FOLLOWING DEADLINES IN ORDER TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THE 2018/2019 VOT COMPETITION: 
A.   APPLICATIONS WILL BE CONSIDERED ON A CONTINUING BASIS FOR 00021 FLT ENGR AND 00322 CRT RPTR 
B.   30 OCT 17 - FSA TO HRA/HRA TO FSA 
C.   10 NOV 17 - 00101 SAR TECH, 00161 MP AND 00342 CL DVR 
D.   15 DEC 17 - 00357 CBRN OP 
E.   12 FEB 18 - ALL OTHER OCCUPATIONS INCLUDING 00371 PMED, 00372 OR TECH, 00373 PHYS TECH AND 00369 SF OP IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR APPLICATION PROCESSING REQUIREMENTS LOCAL PSO OFFICES WILL ESTABLISH EARLIER DEADLINES.
5.   AN APPLICATION WILL BE CONSIDERED COMPLETED IF IT ARRIVES AT DMCPG BY THE RESPECTIVE DEADLINE AND INCLUDES ALL THE FOLLOWING DOCUMENTS: 
A.   VOLUNTARY OCCUPATION TRANSFER APPLICATION FORM WITH PARTS 1-5 COMPLETED (REF H). PSO PROCESSING (INCLUDING PART 4) IS NOT REQUIRED FOR FSA TO HRA/HRA TO FSA 
B.   SELECTION ASSESSMENT REPORT (DND 2790) COMPLETED BY THE PSO 
C.   MEMBER S MILITARY RECORD RESUME (NOT EMAA VERSION) 
D.   SIGNED STATEMENT OF UNDERSTANDING
6.   SUCCESSFUL APPLICANTS WILL BE NOTIFIED NLT JUN 18. NO REQUEST FOR UPDATE ON ACTIVE FILES WILL BE ENTERTAINED BEFORE MID MAY 18 
7.   UNITS/APPLICANTS ARE TO CONTACT THEIR LOCAL PSO OFFICE FOR ALL POLICY AND SELECTION INQUIRIES

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1003 on: October 21, 2017, 07:01:56 »
Thanks for that!! I didn't realize it was to be sent electronically. I guess I'll fill out all my sections and get my flight medical signed off then it needs to be scanned before the CoC can start their part.
Also that new date in Feb is later then I found. Granted I plan on having everything done in the next month or so as long as the flight medical can go thought fast. I've done it before and expect no issues at all.

I have a very good understanding about the trade and have a few great resources for getting my questions answered, including this page now. Just glad I was told about the state of the trade so I can start looking into the VOT. Or else I wouldn't have known. Glad to hear they are looking for more VOTs now when I was first trying to get into the trade from being in the infantry they were mainly focused on DE. Granted I was only a untrained private then. Hoping to have better luck now. Espically with all the electronics theory and training I've had as an ATIS Tech.

Any idea what the turn around is for someone that successfully meets all the checks for a VOT? I see it says could find out by June 2018. But then could be months after that? Longer?
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1004 on: October 23, 2017, 17:32:41 »
Thanks for that!! I didn't realize it was to be sent electronically. I guess I'll fill out all my sections and get my flight medical signed off then it needs to be scanned before the CoC can start their part.
Also that new date in Feb is later then I found. Granted I plan on having everything done in the next month or so as long as the flight medical can go thought fast. I've done it before and expect no issues at all.

I have a very good understanding about the trade and have a few great resources for getting my questions answered, including this page now. Just glad I was told about the state of the trade so I can start looking into the VOT. Or else I wouldn't have known. Glad to hear they are looking for more VOTs now when I was first trying to get into the trade from being in the infantry they were mainly focused on DE. Granted I was only a untrained private then. Hoping to have better luck now. Espically with all the electronics theory and training I've had as an ATIS Tech.

Any idea what the turn around is for someone that successfully meets all the checks for a VOT? I see it says could find out by June 2018. But then could be months after that? Longer?

The earlier date could be one set by the Halifax FPSO...

Usually, if you are selected you'll transfer over to the trade and go on the BTL somewhere around the generic APS date...mid July'ish.
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1005 on: October 24, 2017, 07:47:19 »
That's what I figured. Thanks.

I'm setting up my medical tomorrow.
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1006 on: October 24, 2017, 20:01:07 »
Good luck!!
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1007 on: November 09, 2017, 15:40:50 »
Just want to say thanks for the abundant information contained within this thread. My offer came through today so as of mid January I should be beginning my new career!

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1008 on: November 09, 2017, 16:30:04 »
Congratulations!! I finish my medical in a couple weeks then up the chain it goes. Hope to hear sometime in the new year. Are you a direct entry or a transfer from another trade?
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1009 on: November 09, 2017, 17:00:58 »
Reserve Infantry Sargeant so I believe I follow the same entry stream as Direct Entry.

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1010 on: November 12, 2017, 09:41:30 »
Welcome to the trade and congrats!!
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1011 on: November 17, 2017, 16:13:04 »
Thanks, I'm looking forward to it! Going to be starting out on the West Coast doing some OJT. Hope I can get the pre-req courses done so I can get loaded onto the BAQC in the summer. Does anyone have any idea if there is a back-log of candidates for it? As it is now a 6 month course the wife and I have some life planning that revolves around it as I won't know my final posting until it's done.

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1012 on: November 17, 2017, 16:20:10 »
EEV is the SME on Winnipeg 'stuff'.  The course is now 6 months, but before when it was the BAQC and IAQC it was about 6 months as well;  I was away from Jan to Jul with 1 week between mine when I went thru the sausage machine.  Posting locations were given to us in the final stages of it all, same as now I suspect.

Enjoy your BTL time and the initial courses!
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1013 on: November 17, 2017, 16:49:42 »
Yes there is a big backlog on BTL, I've heard 41 so far. The course is 6 months long, pending on delays wrt the flying phase. Be patient and learn the world of the RCAF aircrew while on OJT.
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