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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1000 on: September 27, 2017, 21:07:47 »
Why not just call it MPANCMAOTC.   ;D
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1001 on: October 21, 2017, 00:29:34 »
Long story short...

I am currently a 5s qualified ATIS Tech and looking at VOT-T to AESOp. I am in Shearwater right now and have heard from many guys in trade that they are looking for new people.
My dad was an AESOp for 25ish years and currently running the simulator for the cyclone. So we both hear a lot of info.
From what I can understand I can apply for the trade by Jan 2018 under the VOT-T level. So fingers crossed I guess.

I've read all the recent threads here and love the wealth of information. Thank you.

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1002 on: October 21, 2017, 06:16:51 »
So you know what the trade's about then somewhat...some get into it that don't.

The main ref is CFAO 11-12, but you'll notice in the CANFORGEN they use language like "who are OFP"...the CFAO doesn't have this language in it.  You're QL5 so it won't matter;it just irks me when the CAF doesn't follow it's own policy.  Anyways...

In case you haven't seen it yet...

CANFORGEN 128/17 CMP 062/17 211447Z JUL 17
2018/2019 VOLUNTARY OCCUPATION TRANSFER (VOT) PROGRAM FOR NCM COMPETITION
UNCLASSIFIED

REFS: A. CFAO 11-12
B. MOSID ENTRY STANDARDS - http://HTTP://CMP-CPM.FORCES.MIL.CA/EN/SUPPORT/MILITARY-PERSONNEL/DPGR_OCCUPATIONS.PAGE
C. TERMS OF SERVICE - http://HTTP://CMP-CPM.MIL.CA/EN/RECRUITMENT-CAREERS/TERMS-OF-SERVICE/INDEX.PAGE
D. DAOD 5023-2
E. http://HTTP://WWW.FORCES.GC.CA/EN/ABOUT-POLICIES-STANDARDS-MEDICAL-OCCUPATIONS/OFFICER-NCM-MINIMUM-MEDICAL-STANDARDS.PAGE- CFP 154 ANNEX E - MINIM MEDICAL STANDARDS FOR NON-COMMISSIONED MEMBERS
F. FSG 100-01 AIRCREW MEDICAL SELECTION PARA 3A
G. http://HTTP://CMP-CPM.MIL.CA/EN/RECRUITMENT-CAREERS/IN-SERVICE-SELECTION/INDEX.PAGE
H. VOT APPLICATION FORM http://HTTP://CMP-CPM.MIL.CA/EN/RECRUITMENT-CAREERS/IN-SERVICE-SELECTION/INDEX.PAGE

1.   THE NCM VOT PROGRAM GOVERNS THE VOLUNTARY TRANSFER OF REG F NCMS FROM ONE MILITARY OCCUPATION TO ANOTHER. THE VOT PROGRAM INCLUDES THE ANNUAL VOLUNTARY OCCUPATION TRANSFER PROGRAM (AVOTP), CONTINUING OCCUPATION TRANSFER PROGRAM (COT AND LAND OCCUPATION TRANSFER PROGRAM (LOTP) IAW REF A. 
2.   THE 2018/2019 VOT PROGRAM FOR OFP QUALIFIED CANDIDATES IS OPENED TO ALL OF THE NCM OCCUPATIONS IN ACCORDANCE WITH REF A AND THE 2018/2019 CAF INTERNAL STRATEGI INTAKE PLAN (SIP) FOR REG F PERSONNEL 
3.   ELIGIBILITY CRITERIA FOR THE VOT PROGRAM IS IDENTIFIED AT REF A AND AMPLIFIED IN THE MOSID ENTRY STANDARDS AT REF B. 
A.   APPLICANTS MUST MEET THE CAF MINIMUM PHYSICAL FITNESS STANDARD (REF D) AND TH MOSID MEDICAL STANDARD SPECIFIED FOR THE TARGETED OCCUPATION AT THE TIME OF APPLICATION (REF E). IN CIRCUMSTANCES WHERE POTENTIAL APPLICANTS DO NOT MEET THE REQUIRED MEDICAL STANDARD BUT HAVE BEEN RETAINED WITHOUT RESTRICTION IN THEIR CURRENT OCCUPATION AS A RESULT OF AN AR/MEL PROCESS, OR THEIR MEDICAL CATEGORY STILL MEETS THE REQUIREMENTS OF THEIR CURRENT OCCUPATION, THEN A WAIVER MAY BE REQUESTED, IF JUSTIFIED, BASED ON THEIR MELS. WAIVER PROCESS IS AVAILABLE AT RE G 
B.   FOR APPLICANTS APPLYING FOR SF OP THE 48 MONTH CONTINUOUS SERVICE REQUIREMENT IS REDUCED TO 24 MONTHS FOR THIS COMPETITION. 
C.   FORMER RMS CLKS WISHING TO TRANSFER FROM HRA TO FSA/FSA TO HRA MAY SUBMIT AN APPLICATION THROUGH THEIR COC. SUCCESSFUL APPLICANTS MAY RETAIN CURRENT RANK BAS ON RESULTS OF A PLAR PROVIDED A VACANCY EXISTS AT THAT RANK IN THE GAINING OCCUPATION.
4.   COMPLETED VOT APPLICATIONS ARE TO BE RECEIVED ELECTRONICALLY AT (PLUS SIGN) (PLUS SIGN)DMCPG 5(AT SIGN)CMP DMCPG(AT SIGN)OTTAWA-HULL BY THE FOLLOWING DEADLINES IN ORDER TO BE CONSIDERED FOR THE 2018/2019 VOT COMPETITION: 
A.   APPLICATIONS WILL BE CONSIDERED ON A CONTINUING BASIS FOR 00021 FLT ENGR AND 00322 CRT RPTR 
B.   30 OCT 17 - FSA TO HRA/HRA TO FSA 
C.   10 NOV 17 - 00101 SAR TECH, 00161 MP AND 00342 CL DVR 
D.   15 DEC 17 - 00357 CBRN OP 
E.   12 FEB 18 - ALL OTHER OCCUPATIONS INCLUDING 00371 PMED, 00372 OR TECH, 00373 PHYS TECH AND 00369 SF OP IN ORDER TO ALLOW FOR APPLICATION PROCESSING REQUIREMENTS LOCAL PSO OFFICES WILL ESTABLISH EARLIER DEADLINES.
5.   AN APPLICATION WILL BE CONSIDERED COMPLETED IF IT ARRIVES AT DMCPG BY THE RESPECTIVE DEADLINE AND INCLUDES ALL THE FOLLOWING DOCUMENTS: 
A.   VOLUNTARY OCCUPATION TRANSFER APPLICATION FORM WITH PARTS 1-5 COMPLETED (REF H). PSO PROCESSING (INCLUDING PART 4) IS NOT REQUIRED FOR FSA TO HRA/HRA TO FSA 
B.   SELECTION ASSESSMENT REPORT (DND 2790) COMPLETED BY THE PSO 
C.   MEMBER S MILITARY RECORD RESUME (NOT EMAA VERSION) 
D.   SIGNED STATEMENT OF UNDERSTANDING
6.   SUCCESSFUL APPLICANTS WILL BE NOTIFIED NLT JUN 18. NO REQUEST FOR UPDATE ON ACTIVE FILES WILL BE ENTERTAINED BEFORE MID MAY 18 
7.   UNITS/APPLICANTS ARE TO CONTACT THEIR LOCAL PSO OFFICE FOR ALL POLICY AND SELECTION INQUIRIES

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1003 on: October 21, 2017, 07:01:56 »
Thanks for that!! I didn't realize it was to be sent electronically. I guess I'll fill out all my sections and get my flight medical signed off then it needs to be scanned before the CoC can start their part.
Also that new date in Feb is later then I found. Granted I plan on having everything done in the next month or so as long as the flight medical can go thought fast. I've done it before and expect no issues at all.

I have a very good understanding about the trade and have a few great resources for getting my questions answered, including this page now. Just glad I was told about the state of the trade so I can start looking into the VOT. Or else I wouldn't have known. Glad to hear they are looking for more VOTs now when I was first trying to get into the trade from being in the infantry they were mainly focused on DE. Granted I was only a untrained private then. Hoping to have better luck now. Espically with all the electronics theory and training I've had as an ATIS Tech.

Any idea what the turn around is for someone that successfully meets all the checks for a VOT? I see it says could find out by June 2018. But then could be months after that? Longer?
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1004 on: October 23, 2017, 17:32:41 »
Thanks for that!! I didn't realize it was to be sent electronically. I guess I'll fill out all my sections and get my flight medical signed off then it needs to be scanned before the CoC can start their part.
Also that new date in Feb is later then I found. Granted I plan on having everything done in the next month or so as long as the flight medical can go thought fast. I've done it before and expect no issues at all.

I have a very good understanding about the trade and have a few great resources for getting my questions answered, including this page now. Just glad I was told about the state of the trade so I can start looking into the VOT. Or else I wouldn't have known. Glad to hear they are looking for more VOTs now when I was first trying to get into the trade from being in the infantry they were mainly focused on DE. Granted I was only a untrained private then. Hoping to have better luck now. Espically with all the electronics theory and training I've had as an ATIS Tech.

Any idea what the turn around is for someone that successfully meets all the checks for a VOT? I see it says could find out by June 2018. But then could be months after that? Longer?

The earlier date could be one set by the Halifax FPSO...

Usually, if you are selected you'll transfer over to the trade and go on the BTL somewhere around the generic APS date...mid July'ish.
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1005 on: October 24, 2017, 07:47:19 »
That's what I figured. Thanks.

I'm setting up my medical tomorrow.

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1006 on: October 24, 2017, 20:01:07 »
Good luck!!
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1007 on: November 09, 2017, 15:40:50 »
Just want to say thanks for the abundant information contained within this thread. My offer came through today so as of mid January I should be beginning my new career!

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1008 on: November 09, 2017, 16:30:04 »
Congratulations!! I finish my medical in a couple weeks then up the chain it goes. Hope to hear sometime in the new year. Are you a direct entry or a transfer from another trade?

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1009 on: November 09, 2017, 17:00:58 »
Reserve Infantry Sargeant so I believe I follow the same entry stream as Direct Entry.

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1010 on: November 12, 2017, 09:41:30 »
Welcome to the trade and congrats!!
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1011 on: November 17, 2017, 16:13:04 »
Thanks, I'm looking forward to it! Going to be starting out on the West Coast doing some OJT. Hope I can get the pre-req courses done so I can get loaded onto the BAQC in the summer. Does anyone have any idea if there is a back-log of candidates for it? As it is now a 6 month course the wife and I have some life planning that revolves around it as I won't know my final posting until it's done.

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1012 on: November 17, 2017, 16:20:10 »
EEV is the SME on Winnipeg 'stuff'.  The course is now 6 months, but before when it was the BAQC and IAQC it was about 6 months as well;  I was away from Jan to Jul with 1 week between mine when I went thru the sausage machine.  Posting locations were given to us in the final stages of it all, same as now I suspect.

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1013 on: November 17, 2017, 16:49:42 »
Yes there is a big backlog on BTL, I've heard 41 so far. The course is 6 months long, pending on delays wrt the flying phase. Be patient and learn the world of the RCAF aircrew while on OJT.
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1014 on: January 27, 2018, 10:45:42 »
Article Link

In January 2018, the first group of AES Ops will graduate from 402 Squadron with the newly installed Procedural Crew Trainer.

What does that mean for new airborne electronic sensor operations (AES Ops) and the Squadron?

- The Squadron, based at 17 Wing Winnipeg, will cover 97 per cent of the training
- Time spent at time at the operational training units at 12 Wing Shearwater and 14 Wing Greenwood will be reduced
- New airborne electronic sensor operators will be more proficient at their jobs.

This new equipment is capable of emulating and simulating sensors and systems such as communications, acoustics, electro-optics/infrared, imaging radar system, electronic support measures, and magnetic anomaly detection.

BZ to the upcoming AES Ops graduates!


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The PCT is a great addition to the initial training, and with MH world taking on the additional sensors the Cyclone has over the Sea King, makes sense to start exposing the kiddies to 'what we do and what we use' as early as possible.

I'm still not a 100% fan of the somewhat large amount of 'common to all' training;  I'd prefer to see the trade identify trainees for what platform they're going to initially, and what 'side' (dry/wet) if they are going LRP, and train them to that job.  I know, its easier said than done to make that happen, but that would get people to MOAT/OTU quicker and onto crews quicker, IMO.  Someone who ends up a NASO doesn't need to spend any time doing oceanography really IMO, likewise someone who goes wet doesn't need to spend trg time and dollars on RADAR/ESm/MAD.  Granted, I like anything that gets B cats on crew ASAP after living thru what I will call the 'lean years of late' where the line sqn was in the hurt locker and deployments were thought of as 'breaks from the chaos'.

If it were up to me, I'd probably close down the trg in Wpg, and download the initial occ training to 404 or 406 and then that would streamline the whole thing, and people could take the family with them on their posting.  Cost moves would be limited to the folks posted to the West Coast once they got their category.

However, based on reality, I think the PCT is upping the game from the TMTs we did when I went thru.  Always better to take steps ahead then steps back.  I'm sure the 402 guys are going to be busy now implementing the training after being busy getting everything in place. 
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1015 on: January 27, 2018, 12:04:56 »
Another key part of the training is we teach level 0 analysis. We added FMV/SAR in the syllabus and we are in the process of adding VBS III as well. We’re also looking at having courses of 18 students starting next year. Lots of changes happening here at 402!
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1016 on: January 27, 2018, 13:21:37 »
Any idea how long the BAQC+ would be if all that was added?

2 x 18 student courses...that would be nice.  I know LRP can use some new blood and there was talk about MH requiring 20 some x Sgt's in the near future...MAISR...etc.
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« Reply #1017 on: January 27, 2018, 13:50:50 »
5 months or so. There’s a technique to this madness. We split the course into 3 groups, one doing PCT, the others doing MVASP or fly phase, simultaneously. Then we swap the groups until everyone has completed all the phases.
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« Reply #1018 on: January 27, 2018, 14:21:34 »
5 months or so. There’s a technique to this madness. We split the course into 3 groups, one doing PCT, the others doing MVASP or fly phase, simultaneously. Then we swap the groups until everyone has completed all the phases.

I know you guys are doing your best...I'm hoping there's a day in the future where, like I described above, guys and gals heading to a NASO world aren't wasting time on MVASP and ASOs aren't doing ESM/RADAR...

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1019 on: January 27, 2018, 15:19:28 »
You’re looking at this with an LRP eye. MH needs AES Ops qualified both Wet and dry. Our mandate is to provide that.
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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1020 on: January 27, 2018, 16:28:47 »
How about a common sense eye.

Blow up Winnipeg and move everything to ZX.    Or not fly them in Winnipeg at all.  Ensuring people are sent to the MOAT/OTU in a timely manner.

Everyone seems to be running in 3 different directions.


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« Reply #1021 on: January 27, 2018, 19:43:33 »
I do focus on the LRP needs/wants;  we still need a while to get back to what I'd consider healthy (line crews 100% properly manned, Stds and Trg doing only that, with the right number of B cats staggered in their OJTP that the crews have the Leads and A Cats they need to fly and replacements always a Quarterly or two away from upgrading).  But...overall I have this opinion...which takes into consideration both communities.

I'm still not a 100% fan of the somewhat large amount of 'common to all' training;  I'd prefer to see the trade identify trainees for what platform they're going to initially, and what 'side' (dry/wet) if they are going LRP, and train them to that job...
 
If it were up to me, I'd probably close down the trg in Wpg, and download the initial occ training to 404 or 406 and then that would streamline the whole thing, and people could take the family with them on their posting.  Cost moves would be limited to the folks posted to the West Coast once they got their category.

This to me would the ideal way to move to. 

But...then there is the key word the follows in yellow...

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However, based on reality, I think the PCT is upping the game from the TMTs we did when I went thru.  Always better to take steps ahead then steps back.  I'm sure the 402 guys are going to be busy now implementing the training after being busy getting everything in place.

402 is doing the job now as it is structured and likely to stay structured, but I think the entire shop in Wpg could close up for the AES Op trg, free all that up to pump out ACSOs, and move the fin code, instr's, QS and TPs to CO 404 and 406.  Flying would be done on the PCT/OMS/MH equiv (not sure what the Box is called down that way now) and then the Cyclone or '140. 

Key would be to select the trainees for their 'stream' and then put them into the sausage machine.  After 1 year or so...out pops a B Cat/Cat 2 operator. 

But, yah I think you guys are handling your mandate well and more of the QS is being accomplished now. 

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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1022 on: January 28, 2018, 07:42:34 »
Still though, they are flying in Winnipeg and operating different sensors than the PCT. 

There are plans to add EO, but I feel the money spent on that could be better spent elsewhere.  EO is an extremely simple sensor and doesn’t require much training.  I know the dry team loves their trivia and they then to over complicate everything.   EO = moving a camera with a stick..    I highly doubt the RCMP pounds their guys with a plethora of ridiculous questions when training on EO.

The LRP fleet is hurting for folks and I feel the mandate to keep 402 manned is part of the problem.  404 has TWO ASO instructors!  We are supposed to have 7.  One MOAT requires 2 instructors, but we also fly staff missions and support international taskings.  Professional development?  What the frig is that?   We are years from this being fixed, I’d say 5 years at the least.

Right now the AES Op trade (LRP) is relying heavily on those who can.  As for those who can’t?  Don’t worry you’ll land yourself a nice high profile non-flying job, where you’ll get to sit on the sidelines and watch people burn themselves out.

I don’t know how anyone can look at the situation and not start sweating.  Either people are dumb as frig or someone is masking the issue. 


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« Reply #1023 on: January 28, 2018, 12:40:53 »
Still though, they are flying in Winnipeg and operating different sensors than the PCT.

I know and it doesn't make sense to me, but...that's not my circus and I'm not the ringleader.   ;D

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There are plans to add EO, but I feel the money spent on that could be better spent elsewhere.  EO is an extremely simple sensor and doesn’t require much training.  I know the dry team loves their trivia and they then to over complicate everything.  EO = moving a camera with a stick..

I don't ask random Q & A, I do focus on the 'what does this switch do' and 'anything that indicates knowledge of how to use/optimize'.  If someone asked me 'what is the FOV on EON at 1900...I would say "don't know, who cares".  I have important stuff I need to remember.  "when is XLP better than NIR"...valid question IMO.  Most people go to AUTO when we're running in for the stern from XX miles away and then get all f&&ked up fighting it up close when they go abeam at 3 miles...when they don't know why, I know they don't really understand how the sensor works. 

EO is simple, really, if the op can do the following: 

- determine best primary, dial that sucker in  ( I see people picking the incorrect primary a lot)

- 'stack' and focus the (in our case) 3 cameras properly  (again a struggle for lots of people, if they even think of it)

and this is the part new NASOs and (IMO) most ASOs suck at:

- keep the target in the FOV, switch the primary at the right time AND at the same time...talk effectively about what you're seeing on the pri and 2 secondary cameras, while continuously dialing it in.  (the new NASO Bs and even some of the ASO B who did IMPACT...still struggle with this part).

So, what we (or me, at least) find is the ASOs that come over are weak 3s on EO (and Ord).  And it is hard to get them the consistency doing either for them to really be at that "min supervision" level. 

EO is a simple sensor, but a lot of people aren't that great on it and it is Pri sensor more than people realize I think.  You'd be surprised how many line type ASO Bs can't work EO unsupervised on a Group 3 during a photo rig/ID when they're sitting beside me...and new NASOs too.  Anyone can do *a la* IMPACT (well...ok most people could...) but the down low stuff, not so much IMO.  A recent COREX with a Ph2 ASO proved all of what I'm saying.

I have an EO/IR SOP I make the folks who are with me for any length of time use, and once they start sticking to that, all of the issues above go away and the sensor is used effectively.  But, IMO, I would rather have ASOs that are good at the wet stuff;  I think PL3 is good enough for all things EO and Ord for wetties.   :2c: 

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The LRP fleet is hurting for folks and I feel the mandate to keep 402 manned is part of the problem.  404 has TWO ASO instructors!  We are supposed to have 7.  One MOAT requires 2 instructors, but we also fly staff missions and support international taskings.  Professional development?  What the frig is that?   We are years from this being fixed, I’d say 5 years at the least.

And that is why I think the initial occ trg should move to 404 and 406...frig this 'common to all, everyone does ESM and MVASP' stuff.  I did oceanography on my 3s.  Ask me an oceanography question now.  Point - unless they are going dry, there's no value to knowing RADAR theory or what emitters are on a Udaloy.  Going MH?  No requirement for MAD, but requirement for oceanography.  I don't believe a 'common to all' 3s course is the way to go covering all this stuff.  No offense to EEV and the 402 folks, but I think their course should be cut and a QS for BAQC LRP and BAQC MH be written.  We are wasting time and money on stuff that could be done better.  Gonzo flying;  leave the tails and YFR for the ACSOs.

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Right now the AES Op trade (LRP) is relying heavily on those who can.  As for those who can’t?  Don’t worry you’ll land yourself a nice high profile non-flying job, where you’ll get to sit on the sidelines and watch people burn themselves out.

I don’t know how anyone can look at the situation and not start sweating.  Either people are dumb as frig or someone is masking the issue.

Yup there are days a T Cat sure sound great!   ;D   I'm home on a Sunday...not enjoying my Sunday afternoon, I'm playing catch-up on Obs Reports, Quarterlies from the second half of 2017 and finishing off the admin on a OTJP Ph4 type before the "feb trip" goes because it is his check.  Funny, because I said over Xmas Leave I wasn't 'working outside work hours this year'.   :orly: MH - I think you'll see the same thing with the west coast guys, guess on my part but they're the ones holding the pants up on their own now AFIAK while the east coast gets spun up on all things 148.  My little bubble has gotten better the past few months, but APS will take some of that away. 

IF the BAQC is going to more students, they will again want more guys from the line sqns.  And around the ****** circle we go again.

Solution?  Shut down BAQC, more the positions/courses to 404 and 406.  Chop up the current QS and TP into 2 courses - BAQC (LRP) and BAQC (MH).  Move the PCT and MVASP stuff from Wpg to Shearwater.  Voila.

This will take the SOA and Trade Advisor to sell to 2 CAD and the Comdr, but first there has to be an acceptance that it would be a better, more effective and cost-efficient way to produce B Cat/Cat 2 operators and use 404 and 406 to their max potential.




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Re: AESOp ( MOC 081)
« Reply #1024 on: January 29, 2018, 07:27:21 »
I realize there is a little more to it than moving the camera with a stick.  However, I do find that many NASOs like to wander into the weeds.

When I hear of ASOs being weak on EO I place the blame on the leads and Sqns (ASO B cats also need to be proactive, a Pte may be intimidated, but a MCpl/Sgt shouldn’t be).   I find that most ASO leads are uncomfortable with EO and Ord duties to begin with, so naturally they will focus their training on MVASP.

There are two courses of action that I feel needs to take place. 

1.    The ASOs will most likely find themselves sitting a QSWB in the spring.  I am going to recommend we turf Ord and I also feel that EO should go as well*.

Or;

2.    Sqns be proactive and change their way of thinking.  I personally feel that ESM should be sitting at the ASO rail for all missions, except ASW.   This would make sense as we have 5 sensor operators on the aircraft and under our current thought process we have one operator responsible for both EO and ESM.   By my count that leaves 3 sensor operators sitting around licking windows (again except for ASW missions).

*My reason for wanting to offload EO is because it always feels like a fight, we have to fight for EO time.   I also feel that our ASW skillset is also slipping and we need to bring that back up to where it should be.

Another issue we have is that ASO usually ends up with TCDL/BLOS duties (when required), it’s never grab a dry guy and get him to setup TCDL.   TCDL isn’t in our QS and we aren’t trained on the kit, it just fell on our lap because it’s a shitty task and no one else wanted it.   So again we find ourselves taken away from other stuff (like EO work).   

The issue of being weaker in Ord, naturally this makes sense as Ord is usually only busy during ASW missions, during which the ASO should be sitting at MVASP.

I get the manning and the flexibility argument and I am all for being flexible, which is why I am going to recommend that NASOs be trained in basic MVASP functions (which the new grads already are!) so we can utilize them in the wet seat too.   

So to recap I want EO and Ord dropped or MVASP picked up by the dry team (for the added flexibility).