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Re: Military Police Assessment Centre (MPAC)
« Reply #500 on: May 14, 2018, 16:10:03 »
Not all wrong here for sure, however, depending on what base your on you can be very busy in terms of policing. You go to any of the combat arms bases such as Edmonton, Petawawa, or Valcartier, you’ll stay pretty busy as an MP. There are a plethora of different branches you can go into with the MP trade which is nice like CP, NIS, MPSS those kinds of things if that’s what your into. But yah we definitely do have bases that our very slow in terms of policing. All depends on how proactive you are as well. In regard to him being a reserve MP, he will still have to do a BII before completing a CT.

Also, Jitterbug, I find your comment about MP getting the civi cop rejects unfair. Sure in some case that may be true, however, even in my case I wanted to join the MP from the start because of how fast one can move up in the trade in regards to specialization. Also, the fact that we can get tours is an excellent aspect as well. There are a lot of MP that I know that haven’t tried out for other police forces. So I find your statement to not be entirely true.

Even on a combat arms base you would not have nearly the volume and diversity of calls civi police get in any major Canadian city.  A civi cop in a large city can have over 300 arrests in their first year on the job.  No MP in the branch has 300 arrests in their career.  300 arrests, 10%+ will go to court, that's 30+ court appearances a year.  That is a considerable amount more court time in one year than most MP will have in their career.  Most MP will get smoked in civi court by a good lawyer due to lack of court experience.  It is well known in the legal atmosphere in my jurisdiction. 

As for my comment on civi cop rejects, I'm only speaking from my own observations and what I believe to be true based on those observations.  I did however add the caveat that there are of courses exceptions.  I can appreciate your perspective though.

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Re: Military Police Assessment Centre (MPAC)
« Reply #501 on: May 14, 2018, 16:47:14 »
Even on a combat arms base you would not have nearly the volume and diversity of calls civi police get in any major Canadian city.  A civi cop in a large city can have over 300 arrests in their first year on the job.  No MP in the branch has 300 arrests in their career.  300 arrests, 10%+ will go to court, that's 30+ court appearances a year.  That is a considerable amount more court time in one year than most MP will have in their career.  Most MP will get smoked in civi court by a good lawyer due to lack of court experience.  It is well known in the legal atmosphere in my jurisdiction. 

As for my comment on civi cop rejects, I'm only speaking from my own observations and what I believe to be true based on those observations.  I did however add the caveat that there are of courses exceptions.  I can appreciate your perspective though.

So I guess the RCMP and smaller agencies that patrol through out Canada are in the same boat.  After all they aren't necessarily in major centers.  Based on your comments it would appear that you obviously got burned on your time in and that you're pretty bitter.  I'm sorry that happened to you, but  hey each to their own I guess

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Re: Military Police Assessment Centre (MPAC)
« Reply #502 on: May 15, 2018, 10:50:40 »
So I guess the RCMP and smaller agencies that patrol through out Canada are in the same boat.  After all they aren't necessarily in major centers.  Based on your comments it would appear that you obviously got burned on your time in and that you're pretty bitter.  I'm sorry that happened to you, but  hey each to their own I guess

I don't have much experience with smaller police services so I can't comment on that.  However, the difference in the RCMP is that they have members with loads of experience in their service.  No one in Snr MP leadership has police experience and they write policy on what MP do.  Everyone in the RCMP is from the ground up.  As well there are alot of Snr MP NCM that have very little police experience and in my opinion don't have the capability to properly manage people engaged in more complex policing situations as a result.  Just because you are an MP for 15 years doesn't mean you have done alot of policing.  There is an overall general lack of police experience in the branch.  If anyone said different I would say that is not accurate at all. 

I never got burned at all.  In fact the MP padded my resume nicely for me to move on to better things.  I enjoyed my time for the most part but if your primary interest is policing or experiencing a wide variety of calls than in my opinion the MP is the wrong occupation for you.  The MP branch is more Security(+) rather than Policing(-).  I think the CF should make MP security specialists (including physical, IT and person) and leave policing to the experts, police services.

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Re: Military Police Assessment Centre (MPAC)
« Reply #503 on: May 16, 2018, 10:55:15 »
I don't have much experience with smaller police services so I can't comment on that.  However, the difference in the RCMP is that they have members with loads of experience in their service.  No one in Snr MP leadership has police experience and they write policy on what MP do.  Everyone in the RCMP is from the ground up.  As well there are alot of Snr MP NCM that have very little police experience and in my opinion don't have the capability to properly manage people engaged in more complex policing situations as a result.  Just because you are an MP for 15 years doesn't mean you have done alot of policing.  There is an overall general lack of police experience in the branch.  If anyone said different I would say that is not accurate at all. 

I never got burned at all.  In fact the MP padded my resume nicely for me to move on to better things.  I enjoyed my time for the most part but if your primary interest is policing or experiencing a wide variety of calls than in my opinion the MP is the wrong occupation for you.  The MP branch is more Security(+) rather than Policing(-).  I think the CF should make MP security specialists (including physical, IT and person) and leave policing to the experts, police services.

Still, maybe, you could air your dirty laundry somewhere else.
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Re: Military Police Assessment Centre (MPAC)
« Reply #504 on: May 16, 2018, 16:39:34 »
Jitterbug has the right to an opinion. You have the right to disagree. But perhaps instead of labeling an opinion "dirty laundry", you could add to the discussion by addressing the points raised...


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Re: Military Police Assessment Centre (MPAC)
« Reply #505 on: May 16, 2018, 17:03:04 »
Jitterbug has the right to an opinion. You have the right to disagree. But perhaps instead of labeling an opinion "dirty laundry", you could add to the discussion by addressing the points raised...

This is not the appropriate forum to do so. This is about MPAC, not about someone's opinions on whether MP members are civilian force rejects and the scale of ineptitude of our various command staff.
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Re: Military Police Assessment Centre (MPAC)
« Reply #506 on: May 16, 2018, 17:24:53 »
I don't have much experience with smaller police services so I can't comment on that. 

Based on your comments, and posting history (which includes other drive by slags of the branch) other than MP, you don't have experience with any other service.

You were an MP, and now you're a prospective Health Care Admin. You give quite a lot of detail which you claim as fact about how other police services conduct business for someone with no practical experience in said services. As was stated earlier, this is a discussion on MPAC. If you want to continue to make unfounded assertions about the branch, or argue the merits of the direction we're headed, there are threads for that. If you want to comment on your MPAC experiences, feel free (staying within your obligation not to disclose the parts of the process which are not to be disclosed) to post them here.

In short: Stay in your lane. Civilian Police Services are well outside it.
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