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Re: Combat Engineer or Infantry
« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2009, 12:16:56 »
Mostly the kind with numbers........

I almost fell out of my chair when I read that lol.

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Re: Combat Engineer or Infantry
« Reply #51 on: May 06, 2009, 18:55:58 »
I debated between Engineer and Infantry for a long long time.... I ended up going and signing up for armoured.

The thing that changed me around was going and talking to the guys that are in the different trades. If you have the possibility to go talk to them I would suggest you do it. Who knows you might pick a completely different career.

Good luck for those of you who are still deciding.

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Re: Combat Engineer or Infantry
« Reply #52 on: May 27, 2009, 12:20:40 »
BUMP.

Not many people telling us why they went infantry or engineer.

I was dead set on engineering but now im thinking id rather do infantry.
Recce and para sound very interesting.

Yet i still dont know what the real differences (non text book answers) are.

Seems like combat engineer you are usually very busy (since you always have something to build or destroy) but infantry offers more (you can be a sniper, anti tank, recce, etc).

I'd really like more people to chime on why they went one way or the other.
I really don't know what to do.

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Re: Combat Engineer or Infantry
« Reply #53 on: May 27, 2009, 13:04:15 »
Hi,

Well I am applying to be a combat engineer reservist because I believe I will be in a better position to lend assistance in the case of a disaster or emergency. When I paid 32 CER a visit I was told when the Ice Storm struck they only allowed the med trades and engineers to go help. Also, when I was there they were on notice to be ready to assist if the flooding in Manitoba became too serious.

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Re: Combat Engineer or Infantry
« Reply #54 on: May 27, 2009, 13:43:06 »
BUMP.



Seems like combat engineer you are usually very busy (since you always have something to build or destroy) but infantry offers more (you can be a sniper, anti tank, recce, etc).

[sarcasm]
No Engineers aren't that busy, we are just out 6 to 7 days a week, and maybe a day for vehicle maintenance thrown in there.
[/sarcasm]

It all depends on the job you are doing, I am out every day, wile my counter parts in the field troop rotate through QRF, days off, and missions.  Just depends on what job you hold.

The infantry on my FOB don't leave much except for QRF calls and the occasional mission. 

As an engineer, when deployed, and in camp; you will more likely be doing little projects to improve your camp, etc.

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Re: Combat Engineer or Infantry
« Reply #55 on: May 27, 2009, 23:41:37 »
[sarcasm]
No Engineers aren't that busy, we are just out 6 to 7 days a week, and maybe a day for vehicle maintenance thrown in there.
[/sarcasm]

It all depends on the job you are doing, I am out every day, wile my counter parts in the field troop rotate through QRF, days off, and missions.  Just depends on what job you hold.

The infantry on my FOB don't leave much except for QRF calls and the occasional mission. 

As an engineer, when deployed, and in camp; you will more likely be doing little projects to improve your camp, etc.

just my 200 Afghans (I think that equals about 2 cents CDN)

I wrote that engineers are very busy. Maybe i misunderstood your sarcasm.

I am looking at it from a potential officer stand point. I am really becoming interested in the whole pathfinder/para/recce area. I realize how difficult becoming a pathfinder would be.
However i really like the whole idea behind the knowledge of construction (housing, water systems, etc) and explosives just sound fun.

For now i am entering as reserve (a few years to go till i have my degree) and then when i get my degree i will most likely serve.

I am just finding this decision extremely difficult.

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Re: Combat Engineer or Infantry
« Reply #56 on: May 27, 2009, 23:49:08 »


I am looking at it from a potential officer stand point. I am really becoming interested in the whole pathfinder/para/recce area.


Pssssstt........Combat engineers can do para courses too. They even do combat diving. Some have also been know to have done the pathfinder course.......recce patrolman course too.......and a whole other gambit of courses you've never heard of.

Keep that between us though...i dont want that to get posted on here a few more times. It might turn up in a search and thats not very useful.

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Re: Combat Engineer or Infantry
« Reply #57 on: May 28, 2009, 01:17:06 »

Pssssstt........Combat engineers can do para courses too. They even do combat diving. Some have also been know to have done the pathfinder course.......recce patrolman course too.......and a whole other gambit of courses you've never heard of.

Keep that between us though...i dont want that to get posted on here a few more times. It might turn up in a search and thats not very useful.

I've searched and i've even read all these links: http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,21131.0.html
If i misunderstand things, you can tell me...but ease off on the sarcasm, people.
This forum is here for a reason.

I know combat engineers can take the course(s) but they are still combat engineers as opposed to recce or para, who do this "full time". Right?


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Re: Combat Engineer or Infantry
« Reply #58 on: May 28, 2009, 06:54:16 »
If I were you I would concentrate on what the main job of both trades are instead of trying to decide based on what specialty roles you can get.  The reason i suggest that is because it is not always possible to get the specialty courses such as recce and basic para.  I have known soldiers that have tried for years to get one of those courses with no luck, and these are good hard working soldiers.  So whatever trade you pick be prepared to spend time in a regular rifle company or engineer squadron, I spent 15 years in a rifle coy. 
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Re: Combat Engineer or Infantry
« Reply #59 on: May 28, 2009, 11:22:48 »
I've searched and i've even read all these links: http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,21131.0.html
If i misunderstand things, you can tell me...but ease off on the sarcasm, people.
This forum is here for a reason.

I know combat engineers can take the course(s) but they are still combat engineers as opposed to recce or para, who do this "full time". Right?

You need to reassess what you think soldiers do.  Nobody jumps out of aircraft full time, nor do they sneak and peek everywhere they go.  They are specialist courses for infanteers, just as they are for engineers.  An infanteer is still infanteer, they just have differing qualifications and skills they bring to game, just as engineers do.
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Re: Combat Engineer or Infantry
« Reply #60 on: May 28, 2009, 12:42:37 »
That's right,
Because it's all about the bling on the uniform...(please don't open that can of worms).
You might be better served by actually speaking to a real live infanteer or engineer, or whatever trade you might think will get you the most bling in shortest time.
BTW, I hope you're in great shape cuz it's a long road to hump...
What could possibly go wrong?

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Re: Combat Engineer or Infantry
« Reply #61 on: May 28, 2009, 18:45:50 »
I've searched and i've even read all these links: http://forums.army.ca/forums/index.php/topic,21131.0.html
If i misunderstand things, you can tell me...but ease off on the sarcasm, people.
This forum is here for a reason.

I know combat engineers can take the course(s) but they are still combat engineers as opposed to recce or para, who do this "full time". Right?

We are even Heavy Equipment Operators, Water Supply Operators, BBE (Bridge, Boat, Errector) Operators.

You got to remember that not every trade ends with "Team, team, team" (no offense to my Infantry brothers).
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Infantry or Combat engineer
« Reply #62 on: September 11, 2009, 21:05:17 »
hey i' d like to know witch would be better for me. I'd like the challenge of being an infantry soldier but I also like construction. I want some action in my career, that's why I'm joining the CF. Combat engineer as the construction side, but does an infantry? The infantry as the action and the close combat but does a combat engineer? I'm currently waiting for a phone call or an answer to see if I'm accepted so any help would be appreciated. thx

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Re: Infantry or Combat engineer
« Reply #63 on: September 11, 2009, 21:11:31 »
Have you looked at the CFRC site and read the job descriptions for these two Trades?  Perhaps you should.  Then it may help if you read some of the topics and posts that have been made in both the Infantry Forum and the Engineer Forum.  After all that; perhaps then you may have a much better idea of what you are getting into.

Right now your question shows that you have done absolutely no research, and you have provided us with little to qualify your question.  Are you very muscular?  Do you like hiking and camping out?  Do you like building things?  Do you like to dig?  Do you like to fire guns or/and are you a hunter?  Do you seek adventure?  Do you like the outdoors?  Do you want cammaradarie?  Do you like to blow things up?  What are your interests and what do they have to do in relation to whatever Trade you would like to do in the CF?  Without a lot more information, we can't make up your mind for you.............but then again, it is you who should be able to do that.

And seeing as this topic has been merged with a previous one....we can see you haven't done any of the above.   


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Re: Combat Engineer or Infantry
« Reply #64 on: September 11, 2009, 21:18:19 »
Ufm101 : From your previous post you have already applied. Did you not talk these trades over with a recruiter?

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Re: Infantry or Combat engineer
« Reply #65 on: September 14, 2009, 00:44:22 »
hey i' d like to know witch would be better for me. I'd like the challenge of being an infantry soldier but I also like construction. I want some action in my career, that's why I'm joining the CF. Combat engineer as the construction side, but does an infantry? The infantry as the action and the close combat but does a combat engineer? I'm currently waiting for a phone call or an answer to see if I'm accepted so any help would be appreciated. thx

I had the same questions (as you can see from my multiple posts - several are in this thread).

Infantry is there to fight. They go, kick the doors down and do all the "dirty work". They are the front line in terms of combat.
Infantry excels in combat. It is their purpose. They find a threat, and destroy it. In that sense, they keep the peace. They are there to fight. Period.
Infantry can be varied(sniper, heavy machine gunner, etc) but the task at hand is usually very specific: Kill and destroy.

Combat engineers have several roles. Their definition is somewhat different than that of infantry. They destroy...sometimes they kill too, but they mostly build. Combat engineers have very general tasks to accomplish.

Combat engineers focus on construction (set up water systems, housing and so forth) and deconstruction (defusing IEDs, bombs, mines, various booby traps and detonation of certain structures such as bridges and buildings).
However, since combat engineers are a "combat arm", that means that there might be situations where they are required to engage in combat.

Some examples:

If an area needs to be patrolled, then an infantry unit will most likely do that.
If an area needs to be attacked, infantry will do that.
If someone needs to be escorted, infantry will do that.
If a bomb needs to be defused, combat engineers will do that.
If a well, house or other such structure needs to be set up in an area, the combat engineers will do that.
If an area under the control of combat engineers is being attacked, then the combat engineers revert to their role as soldiers and must fight back as infantry.
If an area is under the control of infantry and is attacked, then infantry will fight back.
If an area or unit is in need of support fire or assistance, then infantry will be called in.
If mines need to be set or defused, then combat engineers are called in.
If a structure needs to be demolished with some high explosives, then the combat engineers are called in.


Even though combat engineers might be called upon to fight, it is not something that will necessarily happen. Keep this in mind.

I have decided infantry is for me. I was more interested in the combat aspect than the (de)construction aspect. I'm a very outdoors person. I'm well built and i love physical and mental challenges.

If you are too, then infantry is for you.

If (de)construction and explosives demolition is your thing, then combat engineer is for you.

One of the reasons i have decided infantry is because in my mind (and i don't know this yet) fighting an enemy that is somewhat predictable (other people) is something i think i could handle. That guy has a gun, let's flank him, etc. You can somewhat react to it.

Defusing a bomb which could go at any time is something i definitely could not handle. I'll be man enough to admit it. That scares the hell out of me.
Whichever path you take, both need tons of commitment and brass balls.

Good luck in your decision.


(I am still somewhat of a beginner when it comes to this knowledge, so anyone please feel free to correct me.)


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Re: Infantry or Combat engineer
« Reply #66 on: September 14, 2009, 09:39:52 »

Combat engineers have several rolls.

"Roles"

And you have very, very limited knowledge of what those roles are. Your post on what engineers do only covers about 10 percent of it. Those constructions and demolitions are done during phases of war where then engineers carrying them out are very much under fire and often taking care of themselves. They often are "the front line in terms of combat" with everyone else (including the infantry) behind them.


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Re: Infantry or Combat engineer
« Reply #67 on: September 14, 2009, 12:49:45 »
"Roles"

I don't know, I've seen Combat Engineers with rolls.   ;)
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Re: Combat Engineer or Infantry
« Reply #68 on: September 14, 2009, 12:53:43 »
yup.  Rolls of det cord, rolls of time fuse, rolls of demo cable, rolls of barbed wire....
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Re: Infantry or Combat engineer
« Reply #69 on: September 14, 2009, 20:23:40 »
"Roles"

And you have very, very limited knowledge of what those roles are. Your post on what engineers do only covers about 10 percent of it. Those constructions and demolitions are done during phases of war where then engineers carrying them out are very much under fire and often taking care of themselves. They often are "the front line in terms of combat" with everyone else (including the infantry) behind them.

Damn, i even proof read the damn thing.

Well, that's why i'm here. To learn about this.
I know that the engineers are the first ones in and the last ones out.
However, do they conduct most of the fighting?
I didn't mean that engineers never fight. I meant when it comes to kicking down the doors and engaging in combat, the infantry is generally the one who takes the role (roll?).
Am i wrong?
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Re: Infantry or Combat engineer
« Reply #70 on: September 14, 2009, 20:49:37 »
Damn, i even proof read the damn thing.

Well, that's why i'm here. To learn about this.
I know that the engineers are the first ones in and the last ones out.
However, do they conduct most of the fighting?
I didn't mean that engineers never fight. I meant when it comes to kicking down the doors and engaging in combat, the infantry is generally the one who takes the role (roll?).
Am i wrong?

Actually I believe the engineers are the ones who break down the doors.
I posted this video before on another thread, but I might as well post it here again.

http://www.youtube.com/user/dregar1#play/uploads/10/ixT2kTk-F90

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Re: Combat Engineer or Infantry
« Reply #71 on: September 14, 2009, 21:33:08 »
It is a cool video, just so you know there are other trades besides Engineers that are trained to do breaches.  Anyone that goes on the Urban Operation Instructors course learns those skills.  I personally have done shotgun breaching overseas with an Infantry section.
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Re: Combat Engineer or Infantry
« Reply #72 on: September 15, 2009, 05:31:12 »
Balistic Breaching IIRC can be done by anyone but Explosive Tactical Breaching must be done by either a Basic Dml Instructor (AGRS) or a 00339 Cbt Engr 2I/C (AIRE). But for targets not listed on the breaching table only a 00339 Cbt Engr 2I/C (AIRE) can do it.
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Re: Combat Engineer or Infantry
« Reply #73 on: September 15, 2009, 05:41:32 »
To put it simply the Engineers are Jacks of all trades and masters of none (or so goes the saying).

Over there we are being employed as infanteers right up to the point when our knowledge of explosvies are needed. So not only do we have to up on the latest and greatest infantry tactics we must also be up on the latest and greatest explosives and accessories and other items like that.

Also thats why there are volumes and volumes of books that we must have in our battle box inorder to complete our tasks because there is no way we could memorize all that information.
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Re: Combat Engineer or Infantry
« Reply #74 on: September 15, 2009, 11:16:37 »
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