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Re: Mali (Cdn mission/s, sitreps, etc. - merged)
« Reply #450 on: August 23, 2018, 11:26:33 »
"The Canadian peacekeeping mission in Mali has started". Statements like that is why the Cdn public are ill informed.

Of course the mission won't be "peaceful" at all times. Especially since the MINUSMA mission is one of the most dangerous UN peace operations. It is however, considered a UN peacekeeping mission.
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Re: Mali (Cdn mission/s, sitreps, etc. - merged)
« Reply #451 on: August 23, 2018, 16:21:01 »
Of course the mission won't be "peaceful" at all times. Especially since the MINUSMA mission is one of the most dangerous UN peace operations. It is however, considered a UN peacekeeping mission.

UNPROFOR in Croatia 1993 was one of those missions. We’re celebrating it in early September.


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Re: Mali (Cdn mission/s, sitreps, etc. - merged)
« Reply #452 on: August 25, 2018, 14:57:15 »
"The Canadian peacekeeping mission in Mali has started". Statements like that is why the Cdn public are ill informed.

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Re: Mali (Cdn mission/s, sitreps, etc. - merged)
« Reply #453 on: October 29, 2018, 18:01:29 »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLZD55yLzmU


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Re: Mali (Cdn mission/s, sitreps, etc. - merged)
« Reply #454 on: October 30, 2018, 21:06:05 »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLZD55yLzmU


Not a bad little video for those lurkers & newbies here on the forums who frequently ask about kit.  Just thought I'd post it for posting sake

He was very well-spoken.  Is this part of a series?
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Re: Mali (Cdn mission/s, sitreps, etc. - merged)
« Reply #455 on: October 30, 2018, 23:17:23 »
He was very well-spoken.  Is this part of a series?

It is part of a series. You can find the intro video and 1 other on the CAF Operations Facebook page here:

https://www.facebook.com/CAFOperations/

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Re: Mali (Cdn mission/s, sitreps, etc. - merged)
« Reply #456 on: November 17, 2018, 13:17:26 »
One year and done for MINUSMA:

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Defence minister confirms Mali mission will not be extended
Promise to UN to head year-long mission has been fulfilled, Harjit Sajjan tells CBC's The House

...The Canadian Press reported this week that the UN has quietly asked Canada about extending its role.

"The discussions I've had with other UN security generals has not led to that," Sajjan said."We've said this for a year. We wanted to offer up support for what the UN wanted to do. One big ask they had was the concept of smart pledges. Nations come, take a yearly responsibility. We have done that."

The minister added that there will be a transition period before Canada leaves Mali, much like the one that occurred when the German-Belgian helicopter mission in Mali was winding down and Canadian personnel were arriving last year.

Although an official announcement has not been made, The Canadian Press is reporting that Romania is expected to take over from Canada, but not until October or November — months after the Canadians have left.

"The UN is on track to be able to find a replacement," Sajjan said. "We will work with whoever steps up."..
https://www.cbc.ca/news/SOMNIA-1.4909120

What a half-hearted, faint-hearted effort. From Prof. Steve Saideman:

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Extending in Mali: Why the Hell Not?
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Because leaving on time here is not as bad as leaving Afghanistan early, but it has a similar effect: burning the political capital that was gained via sending the troops in the first place.  Maybe not all of it, but some of it.  The UN officials who begged Canada to replace the Germans are now scrambling to figure out what happens after Canada leaves--so they aren't happy.  The Germans and other Europeans who felt that Canada was doing them a favor will be unhappy since Canada can't just do a wee bit more, or as I always put it, the least Canada can do.  The Romanians will not be thrilled because they may end up getting pressed to show up earlier, which means more money and more risk.  Is the campaign to get a UN seat over, with Canada declaring no mas?  Of course, folks will say that this is not about a UN seat.... sure, sure.  But not extending for a few months certainly does not help the campaign, whether Canadian officials have or have not recognized that they aren't winning it.

Of course, this fits into a larger pattern of the Trudeau government--dithering and delaying.  It took a long time for Canada to decide to do this mission, just as I argued here that Canada took longer than it should to decide to send troops to Latvia and then longer than I would have liked to actually send them.  For a government that started with a cabinet retreat focusing on deliverology, it does not deliver that great...
https://saideman.blogspot.com/2018/11/extending-in-mali-why-hell-not.html

And CGAI "Policy Paper" by Prof. Chris W. J. Roberts:
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Op PRESENCE – Mali: Continuity Over Change in Canada’s “Return to Peacekeeping” in Africa
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Executive Summary

Nearly 20 years since its last significant contribution to United Nations (UN) peacekeeping in Africa, Canada deployed an aviation task force to Mali in July 2018 to support MINUSMA for one year. This carefully selected tasking represents continuity in the types of capabilities Canada deploys to UN operations in Africa, stretching back to Suez and the Congo (i.e., mostly enablers, not combat arms). Concurrent debates about whether MINUSMA represents peacekeeping or war-fighting are unhelpful: peacekeeping has not been wholly synonymous with Suez and Cyprus-type missions since Congo in 1960-1964, and particularly not since the end of the Cold War. Many Canadians (politicians and public alike) are distracted by a number of myths around peacekeeping and Africa’s supposed marginality to Canadian security and prosperity. These myths draw attention away from important debates which still need to be held about Canada’s role in multilateral peace support operations and how best to ameliorate African regional security challenges that have direct and indirect consequences for Canada and world order...
Conclusion: Is Mali a War Zone or a Peacekeeping Mission?

MINUSMA is what contemporary peacekeeping looks like. It co-ordinates 15,000 troops and police from over 50 countries operating across a sparsely populated region about the size of Alberta that faces sporadic, intense, but highly localized violence. Most of that violence is directed at civilians, FAMa and local militias, and occasionally the French and G5 counter-terrorism operations,62 not blue helmets. Why, then, has MINUSMA suffered so many fatalities? Most have occurred due to the lack of appropriate equipment used by the widely dispersed African contingents: 51 Chadians have been killed in the north, mostly when their convoys were hit by IEDs or ambushes. At least a third of MINUSMA fatalities were not due to malicious acts, but to training accidents and crashes. Canada’s Task Force Mali will provide highly proficient medevac and tactical airlift to support the ground units operating in Sector East. This is what contemporary peacekeeping looks like in a dynamic internal political conflict with regional spillover, including links to Sahelian al-Qaida and Islamic State affiliates.

Canada should neither always say no to peacekeeping missions in Africa nor commit to peacekeeping missions just to meet domestic political or international expectations. Either stance puts Canada at the whims of allied interests and strategies rather than well-defined Canadian ones. But history tells us that for all sorts of reasons Canada is persistently pushed and prodded to participate across the spectrum of military operations on the continent. Responses, then, should be based on Canadian assessments of event dynamics and possible solutions. Canada cannot assume allies (including France and the U.S.) always pursue the best course of action in Africa, through the UN or elsewhere. The new Mali mission illustrates more of the “just enough” mentality to CAF deployments in support of international peace and security. After political promises at home and increasing pressures and frustrations expressed by allies, the government finally accepts a technically demanding but comparatively low-risk task (where CAF will no doubt excel); limits that commitment in terms of personnel, materiel and time; and crosses its fingers that everyone comes home safely just before the next election. This approach may be politically predictable in Canada, but it is not inevitable. Three things need to happen to break past patterns. First, Canadians and CAF members need their government to admit the realities of contemporary UN peacekeeping as encompassing the entire range of military operations, not as an alternative to military operations [emphasis added]. Second, senior policy-makers need to develop a convincing strategic rationale for why “forward security” deployments in Africa make sense for Canadian national interests. A realistic appraisal of possible implications of African security crises (from terrorism and mass migration to increasing great-power competition) for Canada does not have to rely on humanitarian impulses to draw the connections. And third, Canada’s chance to improve UN peacekeeping as a tool in support of Canadian national security and prosperity interests cannot occur without Canadians at the table. That does not mean jumping into every mission, but it does require deeper engagement with specific conflicts, illustrating that Canada is a serious stakeholder and not just a virtue signaller [emphasis added]...
https://www.cgai.ca/op_presence_mali_continuity_over_change_in_canadas_return_to_peacekeeping_in_africa

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Re: Mali (Cdn mission/s, sitreps, etc. - merged)
« Reply #457 on: November 17, 2018, 15:58:38 »
Not surprised, but also not sad to see this happen. That place isn't worth a single Canadian life.

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Re: Mali (Cdn mission/s, sitreps, etc. - merged)
« Reply #458 on: December 19, 2018, 13:52:40 »
This is embarrassing:

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El Salvador deploys second aviation unit to Mali


An El Salvadorian MD 500E is seen being unloaded from an Il-at Gao. (MINUSMA)

Three Salvadoran Air Force (FAS) MD 500E armed reconnaissance helicopters have arrived in Gao, Mali, to support the United Nations Multidimensional Integrated Stabilisation Mission in Mali (MINUSMA).

MINUSMA announced that the helicopters arrived on 11 December and released photographs of them being unloaded from an Ilyushin Il-76 transport aircraft with support from the Canadian military contingent at the base. The 50 personnel of the new unit, known as Gavilan I by the FAS, arrived at Gao on a chartered aircraft on the same day.

MINUSMA said the MD 500s will carry out surveillance and reconnaissance duties by day and night. The Salvadoran air crews are equipped with night-vision goggles (NVGs) and trained in tactical night flying.

Gavilan I fills the void left by the withdrawal of four German Airbus Tiger attack helicopters earlier this year. Canada has several armed CH-146 Griffon (Bell 412) helicopters currently based in Gao, but these are used mainly to provide escort to the Canadian CH-147 Chinooks deployed in Mali [emphasis added].

Gavilan I is the third Salvadoran unit to be assigned to MINUSMA and joins Torogoz IV, another helicopter unit that has been flying three M D500Es from Timbuktu since 2015, as well as a ground-based airfield support unit also located there.

The deployment of Gavilan I increases El Salvador's troop strength under MINUSMA to over 200.

Jane's understands that the FAS's MD 500E fleet comprises just nine aircraft, meaning two thirds of it are now in Mali. The deployment makes El Salvador the most important aircraft contributor to UN missions in Latin America, ahead of Uruguay, which has two Bell 212 flying in the Democratic Republic of Congo.
https://www.janes.com/article/85273/el-salvador-deploys-second-aviation-unit-to-mali?from_rss=1

Not even a CC-177 for the delivery.

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Re: Mali (Cdn mission/s, sitreps, etc. - merged)
« Reply #459 on: December 19, 2018, 14:05:01 »
This is embarrassing:

Not even a CC-177 for the delivery.

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I'm not sure why that's specifically embarrassing for us.  Happy to be corrected, but we didn't step up to provide transport into theatre for that mission, right?

We have 5 C-17s, and at least one (or two?) would be in maintenance at all times.  Between domestic duties, Latvia, Ukraine, Mali, Iraq, and other places, the C-17 fleet is stretched thin like all others.  The transport guys are being flown off their feet and there are regulatory limits on the amount of hours they can fly (and consequently maintenance requirements for the airplane).
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Re: Mali (Cdn mission/s, sitreps, etc. - merged)
« Reply #460 on: December 19, 2018, 15:39:03 »
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Embarrassed by unwillingness to take more active direct troop support role for CH-146s. As for CC-177, CAF has been happy to publicize their support (in Op FREQUENCE) of #France's Op Barkhane combat counterterrorism mission in Sahel/Mali:
http://www.forces.gc.ca/en/operations-abroad-current/op-frequence.page

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Re: Mali (Cdn mission/s, sitreps, etc. - merged)
« Reply #461 on: December 19, 2018, 16:04:13 »
If the Griffon's are already up flying doing 'something other than escort for the Chinook', who is going to do the escort piece for the Chinook?  Griffon's were used for escort in Afghanistan, and the 2 TacHel assets from Canada would be better working together than splitting them up (IMO...I'm obviously not a TacHel type).  Mali isn't the only theatre we have TacHel operating in.  We don't have the biggest fleets on the globe...

Joint Task Force-Iraq includes a CAF air component.  Air Task Force-Iraq supports Coalition air operations with air assets and crews. This includes:

•one CC-150 Polaris aerial refueller
•two CC-130J Hercules tactical airlift aircraft. They support the movement of Coalition personnel and cargo in the region
•a tactical aviation detachment. It includes up to four CH-146 Griffon helicopters. They carry Canadian troops, equipment, and supplies in theatre near Baghdad. The Griffons can do casualty evacuations if required.  A variety of self-defence weapons are fitted to the aircraft
•associated aircrew and support crews

As for the GlobeMaster...we can't be everyone's taxi.  Our transport fleet(s) are running non-stop now.  Moving some allies kit/personnel around in theatre (or at least, the same continent) is much easier than bringing other assets from farther away.  Also note, 2 of our J Models are part of ATF-1.  That means 2 airframes, air and ground crews deployed 24/7/365.  From experience, that sounds easier and less of a resource demand than it is in reality. 

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Re: Mali (Cdn mission/s, sitreps, etc. - merged)
« Reply #462 on: December 19, 2018, 18:41:30 »
In addition, the C-17/Herc fleet is used in support of our other fleets too.  For example, if the Auroras are planning to go somewhere for exercise/ops, then there's a need for transport aircraft to carry spare parts and mission-related kit that they can't bring themselves.  I imagine most other fleets have similar requirements.

For the OP BARKHANE bit, I imagine that our bird was already in the area (probably bringing Canadian stuff for our mission) and could help out before returning to Canada or whatever tasking was next.  It gives us goodwill and coalition points, as well as PR points.  Unless that was actively hurting a national tasking, I don't see the problem.
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Re: Mali (Cdn mission/s, sitreps, etc. - merged)
« Reply #463 on: December 19, 2018, 19:35:55 »
If the Griffon's are already up flying doing 'something other than escort for the Chinook', who is going to do the escort piece for the Chinook?  Griffon's were used for escort in Afghanistan, and the 2 TacHel assets from Canada would be better working together than splitting them up (IMO...I'm obviously not a TacHel type).  Mali isn't the only theatre we have TacHel operating in.  We don't have the biggest fleets on the globe...

Joint Task Force-Iraq includes a CAF air component.  Air Task Force-Iraq supports Coalition air operations with air assets and crews. This includes:

•one CC-150 Polaris aerial refueller
•two CC-130J Hercules tactical airlift aircraft. They support the movement of Coalition personnel and cargo in the region
•a tactical aviation detachment. It includes up to four CH-146 Griffon helicopters. They carry Canadian troops, equipment, and supplies in theatre near Baghdad. The Griffons can do casualty evacuations if required.  A variety of self-defence weapons are fitted to the aircraft
•associated aircrew and support crews

As for the GlobeMaster...we can't be everyone's taxi.  Our transport fleet(s) are running non-stop now.  Moving some allies kit/personnel around in theatre (or at least, the same continent) is much easier than bringing other assets from farther away.  Also note, 2 of our J Models are part of ATF-1.  That means 2 airframes, air and ground crews deployed 24/7/365.  From experience, that sounds easier and less of a resource demand than it is in reality. 

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Tac Hel, with a space between "Tac" and "Hel"...

Griffons performed other roles in Afghanistan besides Chinook escort, depending upon priorities, availability, and serviceability.

This would likely be true in Mali as well, but the priority is medevac, so sufficient crews and machines must be protected in order to guarantee that that support is available at all times. Preservation of life, ie operational emergencies, would also be a priority.

There are more than four Griffons in Iraq, split between two different locations.

Supporting three such distributed flying ops with our limited pers and hel resources is a little bit of a challenge.

I am not sure what flying time limits may apply in each location, but scheduled major inspections take a couple of months, either at a civ contractor or 400 Squadron in Borden, and require an aircraft swap to do so. Hours must, therefore, be carefully managed.

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« Reply #464 on: December 19, 2018, 19:49:08 »
Tac Hel, with a space between "Tac" and "Hel"...

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« Reply #465 on: December 24, 2018, 12:51:00 »
Wow! I smell a dead UN Security Council seat (not that it really is worth much except trouble in having to take sides sometimes on tough matters--though voting to extend peacekeeping missions we won't take part in would be easy):

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Canada to deploy cargo plane part time for UN missions in new year
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A Canadian military Hercules transport will soon begin once-a-week support missions for United Nations peacekeeping operations in Africa, the country's top military commander said.

Those flights, by a C-130J, will eventually morph to a full-fledged deployment and deliver on the second in a long list of capabilities promised over a year ago by the Liberal government at a star-studded international conference in Vancouver...

The aircraft being used will split its time between supporting operations in Iraq and flying out Entebbe, Uganda, for the UN.

A letter to assist, which sets out the terms of the arrangement with the UN, has yet to be finalized and Vance defended the amount of time it has taken to fulfil what was expected to be an easy promise...

There has been frustration with Canada at UN headquarters in New York. After many lofty, high-profile words of political support, the Liberal government has over the last three years turned down a number of specific peacekeeping requests, including mission command posts.

A copy of the 2017 list of requests for multilateral peace operations — known internally within government as the evergreen list — was obtained by CBC News under access-to-information legislation.

It shows that after being spurned throughout 2016 the UN appeared to scale back what it asked of Canada to only a handful of assignments involving single soldiers or pairs of soldiers, for leadership training or advising missions...
https://www.cbc.ca/news/SOMNIA-1.4958079

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Re: Mali (Cdn mission/s, sitreps, etc. - merged)
« Reply #466 on: December 24, 2018, 22:45:32 »
Arrogant isn''t he?  We go in, show them the best way to do it right and then leave.  Pompous A£££

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« Reply #467 on: December 27, 2018, 18:28:50 »
The aircraft will split time between Iraq and Uganda before it becomes full time deployed to Uganda... cynically reading between the lines for me says we're pulling the TAL Det out of IMPACT this year to fulfill a campaign promise rather than support our folks downrange.

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« Reply #468 on: December 28, 2018, 02:49:50 »
The aircraft will split time between Iraq and Uganda before it becomes full time deployed to Uganda... cynically reading between the lines for me says we're pulling the TAL Det out of IMPACT this year to fulfill a campaign promise rather than support our folks downrange.

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« Reply #470 on: January 17, 2019, 21:16:24 »
Great picture!  I'd like it even more without the UN patch on the helo and the blue helmet covers. 
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« Reply #471 on: March 25, 2019, 21:14:30 »
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As Canada’s military mission races to leave Mali and the United Nations pleads for it to stay, the European Union is making a fresh appeal to the Canadian Forces to partner with it in the West African country.

Gen. Esa Pulkkinen, director general of the EU’s military staff, told The Canadian Press that he has asked the Canadian government to bring its military training expertise to Mali as part of a broader effort to stamp out Islamic extremism in Africa’s Sahel region.

Pulkkinen said he’s aware of the context of his request – it comes as Canada faces pressure from the UN to extend its Mali peacekeeping mission in order to bridge a gap until Romanian replacements can arrive.

But he says Canada would make a great bilateral partner with the EU’s military training efforts in West Africa, which he says are crucial to stamping out security threats to Europe.

Those threats include the mass northward migration to Europe, an increase in the smuggling of arms, drugs and human trafficking, as well as terrorism.

Pulkkinen was in Ottawa this past week, and said he was planning to make a formal request to Canadian officials after raising the matter informally.

“I need brains. I don’t need the quantities,” he said.

“Your officer training is top level in the world. More importantly, you have French language skills as well, which we need when we provide advice for our Malian friends.”

Pulkkinen already commands 1,000 troops in Somalia, the Central African Republic and Mali, and is partnering with the United States on various missions on the continent. He said the EU wants to ramp up its presence in Mauritania, Burkina Faso, Niger and Chad as well ...
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« Reply #472 on: March 25, 2019, 21:55:52 »
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« Reply #473 on: March 25, 2019, 22:00:01 »
Oh boy. Just what Canada does not need, an extended mission inMali to needlessly expend the country’s blood and treasure.
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Re: Op PRESENCE/Mali (Cdn mission/s, sitreps, etc. - merged)
« Reply #474 on: March 26, 2019, 19:37:12 »
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NDP: Trudeau Must Accept UN Request to Extend Mali Mission, Help Ensure Operation Success

OTTAWA – Justin Trudeau’s Liberal government has buried a formal request from the United Nations asking Canada to extend its mission in Mali until replacements arrive. For at least a month, Prime Minister Trudeau has been misleading the public by claiming that the UN only asked Canada to stay for one year which is up on August 1.

    “Last month when we visited Mali, the Defence Committee clearly heard that Canada ending our mission in Mali before our Romanian replacements can arrive in mid-October not only risks lives but also our international reputation as peacekeepers,” said NDP Defence Critic Randall Garrison (Esquimalt-Saanich-Sooke). “Now that the UN has formally requested an extension, the Liberals must give up their line that the UN only asked us to commit for one year and should extend the mission. Neither the world nor Canada can afford a failed state in Mali and the humanitarian catastrophe and safe haven for terrorism that would result.”

Canada has 250 military personnel and eight helicopters in Mali where they have been providing essential medical evacuations as well as troop and equipment transportation across a vast and unstable country. The Canadian mission in Mali has provided central support to UN peacekeepers in their work defending schools, hospitals, transportation and food dissemination. Just last week over 130 villagers were killed in an attack in Central Mali.

    “Leaving our friends and allies without essential medical evacuation and transportation for three months drastically limits the capacity of the UN mission,” said Garrison. “The international community must succeed in Mali if we are to avoid a major humanitarian disaster and the increase in drug trafficking, gun trafficking, human trafficking and enormous refugee flows that would result from a failed state in Mali.”

    “Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan will be in New York for a major UN peacekeeping summit later this week,” said Garrison. “This would be a perfect opportunity to heed the call of our friends and allies. Extending the Mali mission until Romanian troops arrive would save lives as well as our international reputation.”
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