I agree this can be confusing. In relation to British helicopter pilots, an RAF Flight Lieutenant may have exactly the same role as a Sergeant or (enlisted) WO in the British Army Air Corps. And some of the technical roles (e.g. Signals) carried out by a US WO would be held by enlisted...
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I understand the difference but you mentioned commissioned CW2s and non-commissioned WO2s in your previous post. I assumed you were referring to different ranks/ armies.
But what about a Section/Squad Commander - in the US Army a Staff Sergeant (E6), in the British Army, a Corporal (E4):
Or a Physician Assistant - in the US Army, a Commissioned Officer, in the Canadian Army, an E7 or E8 equivalent?
Wouldn't cost much to issue a laser printer generated 'Warrant' with an electronic signature on it. Then all WOs/PO1s would have something to hang on the wall. And CWOs could still be given their scrolls. :)
Soldiers should be given a 'Warrant' on promotion to the rank of WO for the 'Warrant' designation to have any meaning. Otherwise how can WOs and MWOs be defined as 'Warrant Officers'?
Here's the recently updated (October 2005) definitions of the US Warrant Officer for your WO Board:
The Army WO is a selfâ “aware and adaptive technical expert, combat leader, trainer, and advisor. Through progressive levels of expertise in assignments, training, and education, the WO...
So they don't have the full range of responsibilities as Commissioned Officers.
Interestingly the British Army's QRs are quite specific about saluting:
8.057.
a. Warrant officers, NCOs and soldiers are to salute all commissioned officers who they know to be such, whether in uniform or not...
If those US equivalent ranks are correct,
the WO straddles the E7/E8 line (Sgt 1st class / Master Sgt)
the MWO straddles the E8/E9 line (1st Sgt/Sgt Major)
the CWO is a senior E9 in US terms (Cmd Sgt Major / Sgt Major of the Army)
Interesting that the current QRs don't appear to give a definition of a Warrant Officer merely an NCM.
I accept your comments that WOs are not NCOs, but if the CWO is the only rank to receive a warrant scroll, by what definition are the current WO and MWO 'Warrant' Ranks? Do they receive a...
That would be the logical argument. However, many in the British Army appear to be arguing that US WOs do not have NATO Officer Status (i.e. OF coding) and that under Queen's Regulations, WOs shouldn't be saluted, especially the US WO1 who is appointed by Warrant. The US WO1 who was asking to be...
Interesting, but one of your Armour Recce WOs stated the following on the 'pprune' website link I gave earlier:
recce41 wrote:
"When we have US soldiers come up and stay, US WOs stay in the WOs/Sgts shacks and eat in mess.
The Marines try the Officer thing here, the Base Commander and Base...
WOs in the British Army, and to my knowledge in all other Commonwealth Armies, are senior non-commissioned ranks who rank between a non-commissioned officer and a commissioned officer. The British Army's Queens Regulations lists Warrant Officers as distinct from soldiers, NCOs and Commissioned...
The Brits don't seem to understand the US WO ranks though as this thread on pprune shows! http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?s=f8ceb8b170cb964a26e90c42706c33cd&threadid=189612
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