- Reaction score
- 4,633
- Points
- 1,160
This is by way of a question, I guess. Can anyone help me confirm or deny this story?
I’m sure this is a fact: The Canadian Signalling Corps was formed in 1903 – years and years before the British Army established its own Royal Corps of Signals.
I’m also sure this is true: In Aug 1914 First Canadian Divisional Signal Company was formed. Its CO was Maj. Frank Lister, of The RCR, who had been the Assistant Director of Signals.
Is this true? In 1914, after the division arrived in England, it was decreed that the Signal Company would be an RCE unit, and badged as such. But Maj. Lister protested to the Div Comd, MGen Alderson stating that he would refuse to re-badge, his other officers who were, mostly, CSC, also resented the order. Alderson agreed, ignored the direction from higher, and allowed First Canadian Divisional Signal Company to go on its merry way as a CSC unit. Second, Third and so on Divisional Signal Companies were established as RCE units.
BUT: The C&E Branch history says: “...Major Bruce Carruthers (unattached list) and Major F.A. Listor (Royal Canadian Regiment), although virtually running the corps, remained members of their parent corps).
On 12 June 1917, to overcome confusion about the parent corps of Canadian signal units, the Canadian Corps Headquarters issued Routine Order 1283 which stated that Signals, from that date, would be known as "Canadian Signals, Canadian Engineers". Since the Chief Engineer felt that members of the pre-war Signal Corps should be allowed to wear their own badges if they so desired, the Corps Commander ruled that change of badges would be left to the discretion of divisional commanders.”
That seems to contradict the story that Lister ‘preserved’ the fledgling Signalling Corps in 1914. Can anyone shed any light on this?
I’m sure this is a fact: The Canadian Signalling Corps was formed in 1903 – years and years before the British Army established its own Royal Corps of Signals.
I’m also sure this is true: In Aug 1914 First Canadian Divisional Signal Company was formed. Its CO was Maj. Frank Lister, of The RCR, who had been the Assistant Director of Signals.
Is this true? In 1914, after the division arrived in England, it was decreed that the Signal Company would be an RCE unit, and badged as such. But Maj. Lister protested to the Div Comd, MGen Alderson stating that he would refuse to re-badge, his other officers who were, mostly, CSC, also resented the order. Alderson agreed, ignored the direction from higher, and allowed First Canadian Divisional Signal Company to go on its merry way as a CSC unit. Second, Third and so on Divisional Signal Companies were established as RCE units.
BUT: The C&E Branch history says: “...Major Bruce Carruthers (unattached list) and Major F.A. Listor (Royal Canadian Regiment), although virtually running the corps, remained members of their parent corps).
On 12 June 1917, to overcome confusion about the parent corps of Canadian signal units, the Canadian Corps Headquarters issued Routine Order 1283 which stated that Signals, from that date, would be known as "Canadian Signals, Canadian Engineers". Since the Chief Engineer felt that members of the pre-war Signal Corps should be allowed to wear their own badges if they so desired, the Corps Commander ruled that change of badges would be left to the discretion of divisional commanders.”
That seems to contradict the story that Lister ‘preserved’ the fledgling Signalling Corps in 1914. Can anyone shed any light on this?