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aj_olsen
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are higher ranked cadets allowed to get given a direct order to do some thing then pass it down
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aj_olsen
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he was told to clean the head then he took a shit in it before making someone else clean it
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Still, are we talking about a WO or Sgt? In which case they usually delegate the task downwards, that's how the chain of command works (ie, "WO, get this washroom cleaned"). If they were tasked directly to do it for some reason, then it's poor leadership to pass the buck ("WO, clean this washroom").
clear as mud?
clear as mud?
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just to elabourate for my own understanding 
If a Senior NCO is tasked to do something (IE Clean the washrooms) then usually they will delegate the task to a couple of cadets and personally supervise the cleaning...now if they were tasked to do it themselves as part of a disciplinary action, then it is poor leadership...not only on their part, but on the person that tasked them's part, because they should have been able to follow up on the discipline, to ensure that the Senior NCO was actually cleaning it themselves
If a Senior NCO is tasked to do something (IE Clean the washrooms) then usually they will delegate the task to a couple of cadets and personally supervise the cleaning...now if they were tasked to do it themselves as part of a disciplinary action, then it is poor leadership...not only on their part, but on the person that tasked them's part, because they should have been able to follow up on the discipline, to ensure that the Senior NCO was actually cleaning it themselves
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ARMYboi, I'm not sure what leadership classes you've taken, but "paying your dues" has nothing to do with it. That kind of thinking leads to hazing and initiation rites. If a leader is not willing to do the job himself, he shouldn't pass it on for that reason. You lead by example, plain and simple.
You pass the job on since that's how the chain of command works, it's not passed down just because you don't want to do it yourself. It's not a means of "getting someone back for what you endured", that's called hazing and it's not tolerated.
From Webster's : Hazing - a : to harass by exacting unnecessary or disagreeable work
You pass the job on since that's how the chain of command works, it's not passed down just because you don't want to do it yourself. It's not a means of "getting someone back for what you endured", that's called hazing and it's not tolerated.
From Webster's : Hazing - a : to harass by exacting unnecessary or disagreeable work
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ARMYboi69 said:
I pray to god you never get a leadership position in this man's military.......you need some serious leadership training !!!! Your logic is the perfect example of piss-poor leadership !!
Note: I use the LEADERSHIP word alot in this post............hint, hint
go read the principles of LEADERSHIP............
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TI = Time In....
you would know that if you had any
you would know that if you had any
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O man, I can only imagine him giving orders, "clean the 'head', I had to, now its your turn", "Polish your boots, I had to, now you do it.", "GROW UP! I had to, your turn." (well maybe in a few years)
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No, i didnt take it the wrong way. You dont have a clue what you are talking about, You have zero relevant experience to back-up you argument and you don't have enough common sense to listen to people who KNOW !! I have lead troops and i never asked any of them to do something i would not do myself and if it involved something hazardous..i lead the way. Simple fact is that you do not delegate something unpleasant because you did it enough when you were a junior.....you delegate it because as a supervisor it is not your job to do it.......
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we are talking about a private giving another private orders
and i am in a leadership role im my sections commander
and i am in a leadership role im my sections commander
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aesop081
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Last time i checked...leadership had nothing to do with rank ! I was a one hook at one time and having to direct other privates....i still didnt ask anyone to do a job i would not do myself.
Do not confuse rank with leadership...they do not always go hand-in-hand
Do not confuse rank with leadership...they do not always go hand-in-hand
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A good peice of advise... whether you are a pvt or a cwo, If you are gonna task some cadets to do something do it aswell. It keeps moral at a better level and it keeps you from looking like a bad leader because you are following the principals
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well this time last year I was a cadet and orders to do stuff were given alot...passed down usally.....I did it without complaint, never had anything hard until a newly promoted cpl told me to stand at attention for no reason on free time. I told him no and he got all mad and went to a sgt. (what he told him I have no idea but) he laughed and then the cpl. walked off somewhere.
Now I'm a cpl and I try only to pass things that are minor (like go get this or that) and actual things which wouldn't be axactly enjoyable I do if its told to me and if its told to someone else they do it.....easy
Now I'm a cpl and I try only to pass things that are minor (like go get this or that) and actual things which wouldn't be axactly enjoyable I do if its told to me and if its told to someone else they do it.....easy
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well i remember when i was a MCpl/Sgt and i was given a tast to clean the washroom, or to perform a garbage sweep...i would task a bunch of cadets to assist me, and i would myself help them, as well as supervise
theres a fine line between doing the job yourself, and being too distant from the cadets in your supervisory role...i try to walk that line as best i can, so i am getting "down and dirty" with the cadets, leading by example, showing them exactly how to do the job right, and helping around as needed...while keeping myself distant enough to assist everyone, and keep an eye on whats going on
now about that WHIMIS thing, i am sure cadets are not allowed to handle heavy chemicals, because that would like be dangerous. my corps uses a map and water, and whatever soap is avaliable in the dispensors to assist if they feel it necesary, no harsh chemicals because nobody i know is qualified to handle them
at Vernon, a few years back, some cadets form D & C bought cleaning supplies from town, to assist them in cleaning the floor of their barracks...they mistakenly mixed them together and created a mustard type of noxious gas and they had to evacuate the building. luckily i dont think anyone was injured too severely
theres a fine line between doing the job yourself, and being too distant from the cadets in your supervisory role...i try to walk that line as best i can, so i am getting "down and dirty" with the cadets, leading by example, showing them exactly how to do the job right, and helping around as needed...while keeping myself distant enough to assist everyone, and keep an eye on whats going on
now about that WHIMIS thing, i am sure cadets are not allowed to handle heavy chemicals, because that would like be dangerous. my corps uses a map and water, and whatever soap is avaliable in the dispensors to assist if they feel it necesary, no harsh chemicals because nobody i know is qualified to handle them
at Vernon, a few years back, some cadets form D & C bought cleaning supplies from town, to assist them in cleaning the floor of their barracks...they mistakenly mixed them together and created a mustard type of noxious gas and they had to evacuate the building. luckily i dont think anyone was injured too severely
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