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wern32
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meni0n said:Whatever happend to people taking responsability for their own actions? You frig up, you do the punishement.
thats why THEY got in Sh!@.
meni0n said:Whatever happend to people taking responsability for their own actions? You frig up, you do the punishement.
Bintheredunthat said:I just have to jump in here with 2.......take it or leave it.
1) Wern32 - you are pretty _______ for one. (Please insert your choice of word in the blank - stupid, ignorant, brave, or naive) With all the information you have in your profile and all of your "opinions" on this whole situation, you might as well just have posted your name, rank, and svc #. You've insulted people much more experienced than you for bascially giving you the facts, dismissed their ideas because they may have come from a different time than you have, and have made a pretty strong remark against your course directors. I'm not sure if your goal was to bring attention to what happened to you and your course (last I checked, you weren't in a union), but I'm quite sure that with the CF being a very small world, the word is out and your course directors likely have pegged you. Believe me, I KNOW who these course directors are. And I'm very sure when I say they (course directors) agree with every bit of advice everyone here has shared with you.
2) The way I see it, you were going with the old, "Well that's the way I learned it was supposed to be - so it must be the way it is" routine. Then you come up looking for a reference in search of some backing for your "defence". But alas, you come up short. And in the end, you give everyone the "in your face" like statement telling everyone that the decision was re-thought to meet your liking......or at least the way you thought it was to be done. I personally think that with the way the military is so over sensitive nowadays, that the decision was probably adjusted to avoid any potential harassmant complaints (I said the H word) or possible trips to see the Base Padre. We wouldn't want to upset the students now would we? It could jeopardize our careers. Good people have unfortunately been forced to walk on eggshells because of people like you.
3) Your seach for help was a very big mistake. I hope I never get so desparate to find info that I ruin my integrity as you have in order to fight a battle like this. I also wonder if the others who this situation directly affected, were even as brave so as to try and argue this fact. Perhaps they complained (as we sometimes do as a way of venting) but picked up and carried on. You play yourself as a great leader, as someone who tries to follow the written rules by the books. Too bad you forgot who you work for. You don't work for your troops/co-workers, you work for the Crown. When you eventually put your leaf up, I suspect you may change your tune. You may want to always do what is right, but right now, I don't think you know what right is. Right is not taking care of your troops when it comes at the expense of the mission. "Sorry Sir, I know I have a mission - but I just don't want my guys to be unhappy right now." Thousands of dollars are being spent to get you trained up for a job - and minor sacrafices may have to be made.
4) Your comments about Reservists and running the show like a movie are such a joke to me. The school doesn't really tolerate too much crap, and just like any other full time training site, CFSCE keeps it's students in line with some regular inspections, parades, and chin ups. Sorry you have to put up with calling a Reservist a Master Corporal when you probably don't respect him. Must be tough having those 8 years in the Reg Force and having to put up with that. I've seen guys with 20 years (16 as a Corporal) and they still maintained their professionalism day in - day out. But it's the world you're in - and with all the shortages in the CF now, you may bump into a lot of Part-Timers doing the full time thing. I think you should change your attitude towards the individual themselves, not whether they are Reg or Res Force. Sounds to me like you may have a pretty close knit group there on course and that you don't really agree with some things that are happening. You've been on courses so you should know the one thing you all have in common is sometimes not liking what your instructors/course directors do. Sometimes your opinions get the best of you and you feel mad. You should also know how to work through it properly with some integrity while accomplishing the mission. I would direct you to some of the principles of leadership and how you've failed to practice them, but I'll let everyone else point out which ones you've missed the figure 11 on completely, for my post is getting far too long.
I choose to end this by wishing you luck on your course. Hopefully you gain the trade knowledge you need to do your job as a 227. As for being in charge of others, I really hope you learn a lot more before you are put in that position. It seems to me that you have a lot to learn. But what do I know? I only have 8 years under MY belt.
Bin
TCBF said:My statements are above. Read them in the order I wrote them, then tell me what an ignorant old (50) man I am.
Tom
TCBF said:PM on the way.
;D
Tom
ou old timers need to realize that it is 2005 NOT 1895.
wern32 said:Reply # 43
I have spent 8 years in the infantry, which is the front line. This is were most of you !@cks pretend you are.
I have almost died because of hypothermia, dehidration and enemy fire as well as friendly fire. I am a true veteren,(but I do not brag about it ) not like these clowns I see with the poppy's on their plate. I was one of the first pesr to participe in combat missions since the Koreon war(OP Apollo). F!@#k all of you that question me.
I am an expert when it comes to military doctrin and if you dont agree you are out right wrong.
Im sure some may disagree but this is a new army, my army and if YOU dont like it then get the F!@k out.
How many of you posting are past your retirement and are doing extentions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Leave us so we can carry on
wern32 said:Reply # 44 I dont care if your an CSM or not but you have no idea how the military really works. In the infantry you need to common sense and all I have seen in all these post are ignorant old men stating their feelings. I have sent many of these post to my co-workers and they are shocked at what they have seen.
You old timers need to realize that it is 2005 NOT 1895. I respect my elders but you folks question that.
wern32 said:Reply # 47
TCBF
have a statement or dont bother me.
You sound old as well
wern32 said:thats why THEY got in Sh!@.