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Hey, the dude is "Always Faithful". Just look at the coat of arms he had done.
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Haggis
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I think there's a couple of children missing from the registry.Hey, the dude is "Always Faithful". Just look at the coat of arms he had done.
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Still less ludicrous than the arms of two silver-mullet sporting cougars holding up an empty brain bucket that sings…Hey, the dude is "Always Faithful". Just look at the coat of arms he had done.
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ALWAYS FAITHFUL;
Symbolism
Not applicable.
ALWAYS FAITHFUL - not applicable. At least that assessment is honest. He caused more damage to the CAF, next to the Somalia Inquiry, than any other. He plead guilty in order to avoid a trial and all it's damaging evidence. He was being expedient, not honourable, when he plead not guilty. I don't know how it happened or who was involved, I can only applaud the decision. I wonder if he's joined Callion yet.
ALWAYS FAITHFUL;
Symbolism
Not applicable.
ALWAYS FAITHFUL - not applicable. At least that assessment is honest. He caused more damage to the CAF, next to the Somalia Inquiry, than any other. He plead guilty in order to avoid a trial and all it's damaging evidence. He was being expedient, not honourable, when he plead not guilty. I don't know how it happened or who was involved, I can only applaud the decision. I wonder if he's joined Callion yet.
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Weird obscure protocol thing: now that he's no longer a holder of an OMM, doesn't he lose the silver-mullet cougars?
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That is hideously bad! Amazing!
Dammit, you got me curious, and I failed to find the clear rules around being entitled to heraldic supporters save that being a recipient of a sufficiently high honour can earn it. I don’t know if the MSC would suffice (though I would think it should?)
North Star said:
Weird obscure protocol thing: now that he's no longer a holder of an OMM, doesn't he lose the silver-mullet cougars?
That said, Vance's (now revoked) CMM is depicted in his personal coat of arms. I wonder if protocol requires removal due his removal from the order?
Weird obscure protocol thing: now that he's no longer a holder of an OMM, doesn't he lose the silver-mullet cougars?
For clarity's sake, the "silver mullet cougars" are supporters of former GG Julie Payette's coat of arms, not Gen Vance's.
That said, Vance's (now revoked) CMM is depicted in his personal coat of arms. I wonder if protocol requires removal due his removal from the order?
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Yup, I know it was a Payette reference extended to Vance. Still an interesting, if super obscure question.
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The Heralds probably have a big book of rules but the info is scanty on the website and the little there is doesn't respond well to a search. Here's one snippet.
Parts of a Coat of Arms
Shield, mantling, crest, supporters: what are the parts of a coat of arms?
The "national honours" refer (in my understanding) to Order of Canada, Order of Military Merit, and Order of Merit of the Police Forces. The highest levels would be Companion or Commander depending on the order, i.e. CC, CMM, COM. This follows UK practice, however their "highest levels" are Knights/Dame Grand Cross and Knight/Dame Commander. While a MSC may not rise to the distinction of entitlement to supporters, I would hope that recipients of a VC or CV would meet the criteria.
The "silver mullet" is not a hair style but the stars on the collar worn by the cougar.
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I think that such heraldry is like the Legion of Frontiersmen, you can call yourself whatever the fiddlesticks you want with however many silver-mulleted cougars or largely-endowed unicorns as you’d like, with as many sub-shields for your legitimate progeny as you’d like…it’s not very high up on the ‘truly official things most people care about’ in Canada list…
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Something like this appears to be a sign of the self-importance one assigns to oneself....
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I have too much going on in my own life, as do I think most Canadians, to even think about coming up with a personal heraldic crest…although if I did, it would probably have my cats pushing over the ladder I’m standing on trying to put up Christmas lights in freezing rain because I had been trying to unclog the septic tank earlier when the weather was warmer…
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You and me both G2G.
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Maybe the artist formerly known as the GG has a thing for silver mullets?Although one things for sure…I sure wouldn’t be splurging on silver mullets for the cats…
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I'm a dyed in the wool monarchist and agree 100%.
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I agree that most people have higher priorities in life, than paying for a COA, especially these days with inflation, carbon taxes and economic uncertainty.
I've had a life-long interest with Coats of Arms and we finally started the process for our individual grants. Rach element has a cosr and does not need to be applied for. So a basic COA is less expensive than the GG's gucci version, with flag ect...
The COA do express a snapshot of a person's life and is officially recorded on public record in Hansard and the online portal. I'd argue this could make a COA better than a headstone for some.
I've had a life-long interest with Coats of Arms and we finally started the process for our individual grants. Rach element has a cosr and does not need to be applied for. So a basic COA is less expensive than the GG's gucci version, with flag ect...
The COA do express a snapshot of a person's life and is officially recorded on public record in Hansard and the online portal. I'd argue this could make a COA better than a headstone for some.
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Previous discussions addressing heraldic topics on the forums:
Earlier discussion points on these forums alluded to the Public Register of Arms, Flags, and Badges of Canada, which documents heraldic emblems granted, registered, approved, or confirmed since the CHA's establishment on June 4, 1988 (The Public Register, n.d.). Additionally,
A note on the CHA website indicates that as of 2023, heraldic grants, registrations, and approvals are no longer announced in the Canada Gazette. Consequently, it will take several months for our grant to appear in the Public Register, where approximately 30 pages of entries are pending publication ahead of ours.
Recognition, whether through heraldic grants, long-service medals such as the Canadian Forces Decoration (C.D.), or emerging honours like the proposed Volunteer Service Medal (Bill C-386), carries deeply personal significance to recipients. While forms of recognition vary between Commonwealth nations—such as differing access to heraldic rights and service medal traditions—Canada's strength lies in charting its own path, grounded in respect for its origins.
- Family Coat of Arms ( (Feb. 2007–Sept. 2021), and
- Heraldry (Sept. 2022).
- The Canadian Heraldic Authority (CHA),
- Grants of Arms, Flags or Badges,, and
- The Public Register of Arms, Flags, and Badges of Canada
Earlier discussion points on these forums alluded to the Public Register of Arms, Flags, and Badges of Canada, which documents heraldic emblems granted, registered, approved, or confirmed since the CHA's establishment on June 4, 1988 (The Public Register, n.d.). Additionally,
A note on the CHA website indicates that as of 2023, heraldic grants, registrations, and approvals are no longer announced in the Canada Gazette. Consequently, it will take several months for our grant to appear in the Public Register, where approximately 30 pages of entries are pending publication ahead of ours.
Recognition, whether through heraldic grants, long-service medals such as the Canadian Forces Decoration (C.D.), or emerging honours like the proposed Volunteer Service Medal (Bill C-386), carries deeply personal significance to recipients. While forms of recognition vary between Commonwealth nations—such as differing access to heraldic rights and service medal traditions—Canada's strength lies in charting its own path, grounded in respect for its origins.
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