Contingency Cost Move ( CCM )
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What ModlrMike said. Wife was due shortly after the APS for my last posting before I got out. CM was sympathetic to difficulty of finding a new GP and ob/gyn for her at new posting location so close to due date, so he happily deferred my posting til the next APS.
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D3 said:
Since first meeting each other, my wife and I have endured multiple separations (multiple tours at sea, a few operational deployments, courses, TD, etc). The absolute worst separation was the three months that I "proceeded unaccompanied" before moving my family on posting. It truly sucked for a variety of reasons, notwithstanding that I was living in an apartment on the Queen's dime and even getting paid for rations (this was before they changed the rules). The worst part was that I was staring at the walls of my apartment while my wife had to deal with all the crap of getting ready to move. I would think that going on IR, while leaving a newborn behind (with your wife having to go to work) would be even worse. I would never recommend this.
If the reason you are "due for posting" is simply because you've been in one place for awhile and there is no other compelling reason to move you, I would think a simple call from your chain of command to your career manager would resolve this (at least it should). Another thing to keep in mind is that you too are entitled to take Parental Leave. So rather than your wife taking it all (and thus having to work longer to pay it back), perhaps you can take some yourself. This does two things: 1) reduces the amount of payback your wife has to give and, 2) allows you to stay where you are. For example, your wife takes six months and then goes back to work; then you take six months. By the time you've taken your six months, your wife's obligation should be over and you're all set to be posted. Even if the timing isn't perfect, the Career Manager is less likely to post you if he/she knows that you're likely to take parental leave soon after you arrive at the new location.
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Have to agree with Pusser on this. The nine months I was on IR was definitely the worst time away from home. This too after numerous deployments etc. In these times of "fiscal constraint" it should be pretty straight forward for the CM to grant a CCM. But you have engage your CoC. Start with asking your supervisor to read over the memo you are going to write to ask for a CCM.
The forums are a great starting point but you have to have your supervisors on your side and they usually are if they are in the know and you have a valid case.
Good luck.
The forums are a great starting point but you have to have your supervisors on your side and they usually are if they are in the know and you have a valid case.
Good luck.
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Talk about getting the cart in front of the horse. The OP is projecting on his own that he is "due for posting" without giving any reason as to why he feels that and based on that he is already planning to apply for a CCM or a Compassionate Posting?? I know for a fact that the MP Career Managers haven't started doing interviews yet and I also know for a fact the MP Career Managers are expecting their moves to be slashed yet again, so the OP should stop panicking and wait to see what is in the cards before he starts generating what is very possibly unnecessary staff work. IF a posting message comes in, that is the time to worry about this stuff, not five months in advance.
In the meantime, put the details of what is going on with your spouse in the comments section in EMAA. Again, I know for a fact that the MP Career Managers read what is in EMAA, I have gotten a few interesting phone calls from the CM shop about what people thought was appropriate to put in there.
In the meantime, put the details of what is going on with your spouse in the comments section in EMAA. Again, I know for a fact that the MP Career Managers read what is in EMAA, I have gotten a few interesting phone calls from the CM shop about what people thought was appropriate to put in there.
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garb811 said:
While I agree the talk of CCM or Compassionate status is very premature, I disagree with the rest of the above. I know our career manager took great pains to ensure that the D Mil C webpage for the trade was kept up to date, including the date that your current position was scheduled to "Open". If we saw that our current position was due to come open in APS 2014, you can be assured that there's a posting message coming, barring any unexpected events such as cutbacks on the number of moves available, a mass exodus causing a large number of promotions, or the like.
By the time the CM is cutting posting messages, the interviews are all over, and everyone has had their chance to express their preferences and wishes. An ounce of prevention is in order here, and giving the CM a heads up that there are circumstances which might call for a posting deferral allows him to more accurately do the posting plot. The earlier he/she gets this info, the better.
Good idea, but nothing beats a phone call to the CM to give them an early heads up that there are extenuating circumstances. If the CM was indeed planning on posting the OP in APS 2014, it's better they know early than half way through the interviews and he's already pencilled someone into the vacant position that was going to be left by the OP.
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A position on the CM's website could be opening for any number of reasons. For the MP Branch, just because a person's position is listed as coming "open" doesn't mean it is because the CM is forecasting a cost move.Occam said:
I have a little bit of insight on how the MP CM likes to work and EMAA is just as effective and certainly much quicker at this stage of the game as trying to engage the chain of command. IF the member has an interview with the CM and at that point the CM is still indicating to the member that the intent is to move him, by all means, engage the chain of command but until then, don't panic and let the CM actually work his plot.
My husband is currently on IR in Trenton, and since he's married he's staying in the Yukon Lodge. His ql3 course for ACISS doesn't look like it'll be happening until a rumored end of August start date, or in December. Here's our situation, I have a medical condition, and one of THE BEST doctors in Canada who specializes in my condition is in Kingston, and my current specialist knows him personally and can set up a direct referral to him. There's also a surgeon in Toronto that can perform a surgery that I require, and it would be easier to travel there from Kingston than from my home in Halifax. This medical condition is expensive (about $500 a month on medications, plus weekly treatments), and there's been an issue with our medical coverage through the CF, and we've been waiting since March to have it fixed so that I can start receiving benefits. Because of this, we've been paying everything completely out of pocket. On top of that, we have rent and bills to pay for here in Halifax, plus hubby's Rations in Trenton, and I'm not currently working because of my condition.
We've thought of a few solutions and we're not sure which could work out best.
1) We know we don't want to go for a compassionate status or move, as that would affect his career, and he's still capable of performing his duties. But would a CCM be possible? Could they simply transfer him over to Kingston to finish the rest of his IR and then to do his 18 week aciss training, and move me up and we can stay in a PMQ on base? But from what we've been able to gather, applying for a CCM can take a long time.
2) We could do a no cost move, and I just move up and live in Kingston myself. But a) that can be costly and it's money we don't have and b) I know that can cause issues later on when we get moved to a new post or something. Also we'd still be paying for me to live there which doesn't really help our financial issues.
3) We know that since he's at the Yukon lodge, spouses are allowed to visit. But for how long? Just a weekend? Or could I possibly stay with him for a few months and just travel back and forth to Kingston until his IR is all done?
4) He leaves the CF, we end our relationship, or we suck it up and deal with it.
I've only seen him for a few days since he first left for BMQ back in October. He's not been able to attend a single appointment, gone with me for any treatments, and he even had to miss my first surgery a couple weeks ago because he was in Meaford. He's tried repeatedly to go talk to the clerks to find out what he could do or to get help, and every time they say "come back tomorrow." I don't want to be the reason why he has to give up his career and his dream of being in the military, but we also don't want to have to sacrifice our marriage. We've been getting a lot of "Leave the CF or leave your wife, you can't have both" and "Suck it up" mentality from friends and family. I wish it were that simple. I didn't choose to become sick. We're really hoping option 1 or 3 is a possibility, and we're wondering how he can go about resolving this? Any help would be appreciated.
We've thought of a few solutions and we're not sure which could work out best.
1) We know we don't want to go for a compassionate status or move, as that would affect his career, and he's still capable of performing his duties. But would a CCM be possible? Could they simply transfer him over to Kingston to finish the rest of his IR and then to do his 18 week aciss training, and move me up and we can stay in a PMQ on base? But from what we've been able to gather, applying for a CCM can take a long time.
2) We could do a no cost move, and I just move up and live in Kingston myself. But a) that can be costly and it's money we don't have and b) I know that can cause issues later on when we get moved to a new post or something. Also we'd still be paying for me to live there which doesn't really help our financial issues.
3) We know that since he's at the Yukon lodge, spouses are allowed to visit. But for how long? Just a weekend? Or could I possibly stay with him for a few months and just travel back and forth to Kingston until his IR is all done?
4) He leaves the CF, we end our relationship, or we suck it up and deal with it.
I've only seen him for a few days since he first left for BMQ back in October. He's not been able to attend a single appointment, gone with me for any treatments, and he even had to miss my first surgery a couple weeks ago because he was in Meaford. He's tried repeatedly to go talk to the clerks to find out what he could do or to get help, and every time they say "come back tomorrow." I don't want to be the reason why he has to give up his career and his dream of being in the military, but we also don't want to have to sacrifice our marriage. We've been getting a lot of "Leave the CF or leave your wife, you can't have both" and "Suck it up" mentality from friends and family. I wish it were that simple. I didn't choose to become sick. We're really hoping option 1 or 3 is a possibility, and we're wondering how he can go about resolving this? Any help would be appreciated.
PMedMoe said:
Is that simply because after 30 days we wouldn't be considered separated and then we'd lose SA? Or is it just that we can't be together longer than 30 days until he's done training? We don't care if we lose out on SA, if it meant a lot of our other issues would get resolved.
PMedMoe said:
what IR benefits is he getting? As far as he knows, he's not aware of getting any benefits except that he doesn't have to pay the $30 a night for staying at the lodge lol so if I were to stay there with him past the 30 days, he'd have to start paying per night?
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MrsMurray said:
I realise that this thread has had no activity for roughly 3 months, but this line caught my attention. If your husbands home is with you in Halifax, and he was in Trenton on course, then his Rations & Quarters should be paid for him as he has to maintain his primary residence back home in Halifax where you are. I am writing this so you can go back to his Unit clerk and ask them to look into this for a ration remit claim.
I know when I went on a 3 month course to CFB Borden from my home base of CFB Petawawa, my rations and quarters while in Borden was covered as I was maintaining my primary residence in Pet. Food for thought anyway. He could end up getting a nice chunk of change back if there was an oversight that had him paying for his rations.
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PMedMoe said:
Seen! I missed that part. Thank you!
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There is the option to move from Halifax to somewhere within Trenton's approved duty area, that is close enough to Kingston to allow you to attend appointments, etc... If your husband has been in Trenton less than two years, I believe you should still qualify for a posting-related move so a CCM might not be required at all. Perhaps have your husband confirm with 8 Wing what the approved duty area for home locations is, and determine if there's an option to live further East towards Kingston. Lots of folks living in Belleville and some in Napanee (20 min from Kingston). Potential solution, but needs to be checked out.
CCMs in general are difficult to get approved as the conditions associated with them often preclude approval. The biggest factor often is that the condition for which the CCM is being requested must be considered to be resolvable within the remainder of the normal period of the member's posting. Spousal medical conditions of a persistent or lasting nature (I didn't see it specifically mentioned in your original post) that would reasonably be expected to extend beyond the posting duration would likely not support approval of a CCM. If your husband has been posted to Trenton for more than two years and the move entitlement associated with that posting is no longer valid and your medical condition is of a permanent/lasting nature whereby a CCM would likely not be approved, then you both may need to give consideration to applying for compassionate status. There is a danger that if a condition that was believed to be resolvable and thus a CCM was approved, turns out to extend beyond the period of the approved CCM, then consideration could be given by the Forces for commencement of an administrative review to determine if compulsory release might be considered.
Your husband should speak with his supervisor/chain-of-command and the Wing orderly room to determine the implications of requesting a CCM.
Reference should include familiarizing yourselves with the Defence Administration Order and Directive (DAOD) 5006-3 - Contingency Cost Moves for Personal Reasons, Compassionate Status and Compassionate Posting.
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CCMs in general are difficult to get approved as the conditions associated with them often preclude approval. The biggest factor often is that the condition for which the CCM is being requested must be considered to be resolvable within the remainder of the normal period of the member's posting. Spousal medical conditions of a persistent or lasting nature (I didn't see it specifically mentioned in your original post) that would reasonably be expected to extend beyond the posting duration would likely not support approval of a CCM. If your husband has been posted to Trenton for more than two years and the move entitlement associated with that posting is no longer valid and your medical condition is of a permanent/lasting nature whereby a CCM would likely not be approved, then you both may need to give consideration to applying for compassionate status. There is a danger that if a condition that was believed to be resolvable and thus a CCM was approved, turns out to extend beyond the period of the approved CCM, then consideration could be given by the Forces for commencement of an administrative review to determine if compulsory release might be considered.
Your husband should speak with his supervisor/chain-of-command and the Wing orderly room to determine the implications of requesting a CCM.
Reference should include familiarizing yourselves with the Defence Administration Order and Directive (DAOD) 5006-3 - Contingency Cost Moves for Personal Reasons, Compassionate Status and Compassionate Posting.
Regards
G2G
Hi, does anyone have info on who pays for contingency cost move. i went to the padre for help on applying for a move from Trenton to Edmonton and he told me that I have to pay for it. My mother in law was diagnose with cancer last year and my wife wants to go back home. i have review the DAOD 5003-6 and anything was mention that members pay for the move.
Hello, I have submitted a CCM I have been informed that everything has been supported and is at the DGMC, DSA or D Mil C step in the request process. I was wondering if you received this type of posting how long did it take for everything to be said and done?
