Newguy1 said:
I was reading in another forum how certain trades are offered a 25 contract after their initial 3 year, but for RMS clerk and other trades, they are only give 5 year contracts after their initial 3 years.
Anyone know why this is??
Our contracts are (not really contracts, but that's a different topic) called Terms of Service (TOS). Each trade (called MOSID) in the CAF has what is called a TOS sequence.
The TOS sequence for each trade are managed and changed, as required, to meet the needs of trade and CAF, over short/medium/long term based on whatever method to use to determine those things; it could be 10 sided dice or throwing darts at balloons for all I know. But, that is the overall goal.
There are difference TOS offers made to members.
- VIE (Variable Initial Engagement). This is what all CFRC applicants and Component Transfers get when they join the Reg Force. Not all MOSIDs/trades have the same VIE length, but are usually between 3 to 5 years.
- CE (Continuing Engagement). This is a fixed period, usually 5 years but can be more. This is part of the TOS offer between the VIE and IE25.
- IE25 (Intermediate? Engagement). This is the TOS a member will sign that will take them to 25 YOS (years of service), which will/should make them pensionable.
- FPS (Fixed Period of Service). Similar to a CE, but is usually offered after and IE25 is complete and for a fixed time.
- IPS (Indefinite Period of Service). IPS is a TOS that may be offered before your IE25 is up, where you agree to service for an indefinite period of time.
Ok. So after you understand those, here is the *TOS sequence* for any given trade.
1. Member enrols in the Reg Force and signs a VIE.
2. 12 months prior to the VIE expiring, if the member is deemed suitable for further TOS, you will be offered the choice of either a CE 5, or your IE25. This is every trade. If you are sure you want to serve 25 years, you can sign it right then and there and voila, you are on your IE25. If you aren't quite sure, you can sign the CE (usually 5 years) and continue on your way.
3. If you signed the CE, again 12 months before your current TOS expires, if you are deemed suitable for further TOS, you will be offered either another CE, and your IE 25 again. Some trades, you don't get the 2nd CE option, some you do. Again, 10 sided dice/darts and balloons, but that's the way it is and trade-specific. As far I can recall, the most CEs for any trade post-VIE is 2; so a TOS sequence that would be VIE-CE-CE-IE25. After the 2nd CE, you will be offered the IE25 or can release.
I won't get into the IPS/FPS stuff that follows the IE25.
So, if you are curious as to what that means to you as an applicant, just as your CFRC staff for the TOS sequence for the trades you are interested in. It all contained in
ADM (HR-MIL) Instruction 05/05, which they have access to.
There is also a 2009 CANFORGEN (027/09 IIRC, might be 031) that directs the post-VIE TOS offer contains both the CE and IE25, and the member chooses which one they sign.
That is all from memory, but I'm sure that is pretty close to bullseye for accuracy.
Cheers