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Merry Christmas Azerbaijan, from Russian AD....
Dec 2024: Azerbaijani airliner crashes (shot down?) in Kazakhstan (split from UKR thread)
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Colin Parkinson
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Those pilots really fought hard to keep that aircraft under control, that there are any survivors is a testament to their efforts.
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Reminds me of the Sioux City crash where they had to bring it in and land on engine power only, no hydraulics. Many died but some walked out.
May the pilots and passengers of the Azerbaijani flight rest in peace. Amazing that any survived.
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bit of a trek to get across the sea
Yes. Given that there was ongoing air attack and air defence activity, I doubt anything was going normally. But sending it out of the area entirely with some sort of catastrophic emergency (I doubt ATC would have known a missile hit), and probably numerous wounded onboard is incomprehensible. My best guess is ATC, in good Soviet fashion, simply said all airspace is closed and GTFO.
I expect the plane would have been stuck at low altitude due to depressurization, so south into Georgia was a no-go due to the mountain range. They should have put it down ASAFP, and Magas and Vladikavkaz were both close just west of Grozny.
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Agreed.
I also agree Russian needs to be slapped a few times. This is murder - like the Iranian shootdown.
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Since this isn't directly linked to the UKR fight, it's specific enough with enough new info coming out to make it worth its own thread.
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Meanwhile, a bit more of the latest ....
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Anyone want to dig out the MH17 playbook to review what'll happen next from Team USSR 2.0?
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Meanwhile, a bit more of the latest ....
Azerbaijani airliner crashes in Kazakhstan, killing 38 with 29 survivors, officials say
An Azerbaijani airliner with 67 people onboard has crashed near the Kazakhstani city of Aktau and an official says 38 people were killed and 29 survived.
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Russia being blamed for Azerbaijan Airlines plane that crashed hundreds of miles off course, killing dozens
An Azerbaijan Airlines flight from the Azerbaijani capital of Baku to Russia crashed, hospitalizing survivors while dozens are feared dead.
www.foxnews.com
Exclusive: Russian missile caused Aktau crash, investigation confirms
38 passengers were killed on Wednesday after Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8432 crashed as it attempted to make an emergency landing near the city of Aktau in Kazakhstan.
www.euronews.com
Russia seeks to play down speculation over Azerbaijan Airlines crash
Kazakhstan also stresses that the cause remains unknown after claims Russian air defence fire led to fatal crash
www.theguardian.com
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Tough to say that. I think it’s a catastrophic fuckup, but we don’t know enough about the Ukrainian attack that was or recently had been underway, what the airspace looked like, what was communicated by whom and if the airlines received it… Ukraine’s been sending in drones based on converted civil aircraft. Depending on exactly how the sequence of events played out, the airliner may have been coming in to land at around the exact same time sudden low level drone attacks were happening.
I don’t know enough about how air defence and airspace deconfliction works in such a case, but I can easily imagine how a combination of circumstances in the fog of war could lead to this.
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Exclusive: Russian missile caused Aktau crash, investigation confirms
38 passengers were killed on Wednesday after Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8432 crashed as it attempted to make an emergency landing near the city of Aktau in Kazakhstan.
www.euronews.com
Wikipedia article with sourcing: Azerbaijan Airlines Flight 8243 - Wikipedia
Not a bad article, and it claims closer diversion was attempted but no go due to fog; fog had also twice prevented the landing in Grozny.
If there was fog plus recent air attack, that could add to the confusion.
Not a bad article, and it claims closer diversion was attempted but no go due to fog; fog had also twice prevented the landing in Grozny.
If there was fog plus recent air attack, that could add to the confusion.
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Stephan Watkins has a piece up that suggests GPS blocking / spoofing occured prior to the incident.
I’ve seen this said elsewhere as well. Not surprising or even unreasonable if they were under air attack.
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Found it:
steffanwatkins.medium.com
Azerbaijan Airlines flight 8243 final flight timeline
Flight data analysis of FlightRadar24-collected Mode-S data of the tragic loss of Azerbaijan Airlines flight 8243 J28243/AHY8243 Dec 25…
Watkins is a weird dude fond of shouting into the void, but sometimes puts some good stuff together. Thanks for that one.Found it:
Azerbaijan Airlines flight 8243 final flight timeline
Flight data analysis of FlightRadar24-collected Mode-S data of the tragic loss of Azerbaijan Airlines flight 8243 J28243/AHY8243 Dec 25…
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USSR 2.0: Careful with the speculation, folks. Please be respectful of our process of developing "alternative theories" and swamping the socials before throwing your fact-ish assessments out there 
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Kremlin warns against speculation that Russia shot down Azerbaijan Airlines flight
Thirty-eight of the 67 on board died when the Embraer 190 crashed near the city of Aktau, Kazakhstan.
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The Kremlin can suck-start a donkey.USSR 2.0: Careful with the speculation, folks. Please be respectful of our process of developing "alternative theories" and swamping the socials before throwing your fact-ish assessments out there
Kremlin warns against speculation that Russia shot down Azerbaijan Airlines flight
Thirty-eight of the 67 on board died when the Embraer 190 crashed near the city of Aktau, Kazakhstan.
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Pigs. Are. Flying.
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It IS a qualified apology (in yellow), though - this from the USSR 2.0 info-machine statement (archived link - text of statement also attached) ...
... with the mandatory blame-shifting ingredient of the disinformation stew being served up (in blue) as well.
Also, another social media poke along the same lines here ....
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Putin apologizes for 'tragic incident' but stops short of saying Azerbaijani plane was shot down
Russian President Vladimir Putin apologized to Azerbaijan's leader for what he called a “tragic incident” following the crash of an airliner in Kazakhstan that killed 38 people. Putin stopped short of acknowledging that Moscow was responsible.
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Putin apologizes to Azerbaijan for 'tragic incident' of plane crash
His statement stopped short of saying the plane was shot down by Russian air defenses
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Putin apologizes after Azerbaijan plane crash
Vladimir Putin apologized Saturday after the US and Azerbaijan accused Russia of shooting down a passenger plane, killing 38 people.
... with the mandatory blame-shifting ingredient of the disinformation stew being served up (in blue) as well.
Also, another social media poke along the same lines here ....
Pro-Kremlin propaganda video blows Santa out of the sky
“We don’t need anything foreign in our skies,” Father Frost, the Russian blue dressed version of Santa, says after overlooking how the air defense shoot down Santa Claus and his reindeer.
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AZE Pres: Fess up, USSR 2.0 (even if it was accidental)
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Russia must admit guilt over downing Azerbaijani airliner, pay compensation, Azerbaijan's president says
An Azerbaijan Airlines plane was rendered "uncontrollable" by electronic warfare, and its tail section was damaged by fire from the ground while flying over Russia before crashing, Azerbaijani President Ilham Aliyev told the media, the Trend News Agency reported on Dec. 29.
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Azerbaijan president blames Russia for shooting down plane on Christmas Day – video
Ilham Aliyev said Russia should apologise and pay compensation to the state and the people in the crash which killed 38 people last week.
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Azerbaijan's president says crashed jetliner was shot down by Russia, albeit not intentionally
Azerbaijan’s President Ilham Aliyev says the Azerbaijani airliner that crashed last week was shot down by Russia, albeit unintentionally
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