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Yes, we all know; comparisons between the British empire and contemporary American power are old hat. Nevertheless, certain aspects of the Boer War and the war in Iraq - though fought in different centuries, hemispheres and circumstances - present food for thought.

Britain's decision to go to war 104 years ago, thousands of miles away, was seen as rooted partly in the question of how South Africa's massive natural wealth was going to be used. Would it buttress the forces of good in the world (the British empire) or those of evil (anyone else)? Stressing the similarity with the US today, the historian of empire Niall Ferguson has written that Britain unfailingly acted in the name of liberty, even when its own self-interest was manifestly uppermost - therefore, the grab to control the goldfields was clothed in stirring ideals such as democracy and human rights. Referring to his fellow-writer's passionate belief in the war, Joseph Conrad said, 'If I am to believe Kipling, this is a war undertaken for the cause of democracy. C'est à crever de rire'.

After several excuses were concocted and believed by a public who fanatically supported the war, tens of thousands of British troops set sail for South Africa in October 1899, expecting to be home by Christmas. Early defeats were apparently rectified in 1900, the commander-in-chief Lord Roberts declaring that the war was 'practically over'. Colleagues of Roberts, struck by his naive belief that he was fighting a conventional war and that capturing the capital and exiling the president would suffice, warned him that guerrilla warfare would break out in the districts left behind during the rapid advance. They were ignored.

It was immediately recognised that Britain had blundered by underrating the enemy's persistence. The war seemed to be over, but huge British armies (supplemented by the Dominions who were anxious to prove their devotion and contributed about 10 per cent of the troops) soon became tied down by roaming irregulars who melted into the population and carried out raids 'inspired in the hope of vengeance, rather than victory'. The struggle degenerated, in James Morris's words, into a messy and inglorious manhunt, soured by recriminations and reprisals, executions in the field, arson and broken oaths.

To smash Boer resistance, the British adopted brutal and shortsighted tactics, winning hearts and minds not being Kitchener's forte, or priority. Lord Milner, the proconsul in charge of post-war occupation and reconstruction, was determined to use the opportunity to spread his country's influence throughout the region in order to turn it into a source of political and economic strength. His intention was to rule without popular participation and to crush Afrikaner nationalism. The only problem was that Johnny Boer didn't want his nationalism crushed. And in the words of one historian, far from destroying it, Milner and Kitchener 'were the greatest recruiting agents it ever had'. The British also had to contend with local religious leaders who continued to whip up resistance to the occupation.

The result was that guerrilla warfare made much of the country ungovernable, and 22,000 imperial soldiers lost their lives in an exercise that cost British taxpayers an astronomical (at the time) £200 million (about £13 billion in today's money).

At the beginning of the war, Britain was gripped by unquestioning national paranoia and jingoism. One of its cheerleaders proudly wrote that such was the wave of feeling over the country that it was impossible to hold a peace meeting anywhere without a certainty of riot and denunciations of treachery. Not all, however, succumbed to the collective madness. The Labour MP Keir Hardie, for instance, believed that the jingoism was fomented by business leaders in the hope that working men, blinded by patriotic fever for foreign wars, would forget about growing economic inequalities at home.

Meanwhile, the occupying power's feelings of righteousness were shared by virtually nobody else. Although no foreign government assisted the Boers, hundreds of volunteers came to fight beside them. Public opinion everywhere was massively anti-British. The Tsar and Leo Tolstoy each made similar comments about their passionate joy of reading news of British defeats, while the former flirted with the idea of a French-German-Russian alliance against the superpower of the day.

All the while, the British were bone-headedly uncomprehending that what to them was justified self-sacrifice could appear to others like bullying, sanctimonious greed. Some of the schadenfreude over the British getting their come-uppance was hypocritical - Ibsen wondered incredulously if Europeans could really be on the side of Kruger's bible-bashing bigotry. (In today's circumstances, it would be similarly bizarre if anti-war opinion were to derive much enjoyment from the war party's discomfiture at the hands of reconstituted Baathists and the Taleban.)

Sir Brian Urquhart has written how the occupation of Iraq, a vast increase in US military spending, Washington's rejection of important international treaties and its unconcealed contempt for international organisations and conventions have created uproar and foreboding in many parts of the world. The future South African Prime Minister JC Smuts described Britain's violation of every international law as 'very characteristic of the nation which always plays the role of chosen judge over the actions and behaviour of all other nations'. And there was almost universal moral revulsion over Britain's internment camps for Boer families, which has continued in some quarters to this day.

The US neoconservatives, says Anatole Lieven, have made it clear that they want to see 'a long-term imperial war against any part of the Muslim world which defies the US and Israel'. It was recently asked in the New York Times whether President Bush ever wondered if the neocons had duped him and hijacked his foreign policy. (Salisbury privately felt he had been bounced into the Boer War by Milner, whose fault it was that 'we have to act upon a moral field prepared for us by him and his jingo supporters - and all for people whom we despise'.)

Excessive hubris and underpreparation were charges levelled at the British, with Kipling raging against the 'bullock-stupidity' of this 'bum-headed army'. The late Hugo Young commented as early as last May on the lack of planning for the post-victory phase. Not only, he said, was it not foreseen that Iraqis would turn to guerrilla warfare, but the US didn't bring policemen, let alone nation-builders, 'and its first cohort of proconsuls has already been deemed incompetent and sent home'.

At the beginning of the Boer War, the British public was bamboozled by imperial hardliners. But in the face of lengthy guerrilla warfare, the haemorrhaging of national wealth, and sustained moral criticism of British strategy and tactics, the jingoism eventually dissipated.

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle wrote an instant history, The Great Boer War, expressing incredulity that anyone could doubt the just and essential nature of Britain's cause. Could it be shown, he rhetorically asked, that there was not ' adequate cause' behind the war, surely it was certain that 'an explosion of rage from the deceived and the bereaved' would have already driven the ministers responsible 'for ever from public life?'

For what it's worth, Salisbury won the 'khaki election' of 1900, and the Conservatives stayed in power until 1905. Still, this week's welcome moves by the US towards improved co-operation with the United Nations in Iraq could perhaps reflect a growing belief that what lay behind Conan Doyle's question may need addressing, very fast.


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This makes for an interesting comparison. Yet Smuts went on to serve as a General officer in World War 1 with the British army and the subsequent Union of South Africa stood with the UK in 1914 and 1939.
I read somewhere once, that upon the conclusion of the Boer war, Britain agreed to pay something like 10 million pounds in restitution after the last of the "bitter-enders" had been rounded up in 1902.
Although it seems likely that the US will be handing out cash by the truckload, I think that this guerrilla war will be going on for a lot longer than two years, and our American friends will be able to count on a lot less support from a future Iraqi government than what the Brits received from Smuts and co.
 
I don‘t think that the differences were as stark with with Smuts as they are with the Muslim hard-liners verses the west. Shame, as there are some really interesting parts to that culture...I feel that we will be at was or very nearly at war with them for quite a long time to come.

Personaly I feel that this will be the next great world conflict and these are just the opening moves...
 
I can‘t wait to see how badly the UN phucks up once they become lodged in Iraq. You think Somalia and the Balkans were one unending screwup after another, I feel confident in saying the UN hasn‘t shown us anything yet.
Say what you will about Dubya, but he had the stones to do what was right.
 
Its interesting to see how history repeats itself.

The first and second decades of the 1700s saw large scale conflicts and war. The conflicts in first decade of the 1800s led to massive war during the second decade. The first decade of the 1900s led to massive war during the second decade.

With the way the world is today, it does not make one optimistic about the near future.
 
So what does that make us (man) if we fail to recognize and learn from our mistakes?
 
Originally posted by absent_element:
[qb] So what does that make us (man) if we fail to recognize and learn from our mistakes? [/qb]
Makes us merely human...
 
Touche.

Do you think we‘ll ever be able to avoid the mistakes of the past?
 
We are on the cusp of something big (I wish I was wrong), and it anit gonna go away. Its gonna be a fight of east vs west, a clash of cultures and its already started. I SEE and FEEL the hatred here in Sydney daily, and it truly frightens me.

Some of the lads from my unit watched in total disgust, the recent Berg slaughter, and when we heard those crys of 'allah ackbar', our hairs stood on end. Truly one of the most sickening and horrific things I have seen.

With their 13th century mentality with 21st century technology (which we either sold them or gave them) = one dangerous and bumpy ride for us infidels. Hang on!

Regards,

Wes
 
There will be no clash of Western culture with the Middle Eastern societies. If such a clash were to occur that race of people would be wiped out within a few hours. As an advanced and civilized Western society we learn on our previous mistakes and know that racial hatred leads nowhere. When money starts flowing into those afflicted areas we will see a dramatic decreas in anit-Western sentiments and eventually, the entire Jihadist, infidel rhetoric will dissintegrate. The key to success is to industrialize that region, i.e. the UAE are a prosperous and open society, because they've had a taste of the cash. Remember, it all comes down to economics.

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I wonder if the Kurds or the Shia might not produce a "Smuts" in the long term.  Both of them have significant portions of the population reasonably well-disposed to the West (if we are doing the us vs them thing).  Moqtada notwithstanding.

As to the comment about man not learning, one of the problems, even amongst the Westerners is that youngsters don't learn/appreciate history.  The problem is worse amongst the youngsters educated in the Madrassas.

Just like youngsters all think they invented sex, they also all think that what is happening around and to them has never happened to anyone before.

I take comfort in being a pessimist.  Wars happen. People die. We're still here.

Cheers.

 
Ya, Smoothbore, you just keep your head in the sand. ::)


Wes
 
In that case Wes, what would you propose? Total annihilation or my variant, which the US is currently trying to employ with limited success?

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You got a lot to learn Smooth. Talk is cheap. The real world is not in a social studies class. When you have some serious TI not only in life as an adult, but in the Defence Force, get back to me.

Stop looking at the world thru rose coloured glasses, and maybe listen to people on here who are a wealth of knowledge, and have vast life experience,   not only in Defence matters, but life in general.

Its beyond economics, its about religion and idealism, and an intended world domination by a twisted bent side of islam, who want nothing better than to KILL people lke YOU and I.

Maybe you need to come down to Cronulla Beach by my house, at Duningham Park and see the   marble memorial (often lit candles flicker in remberance) with the pictures of the local people ( all under 30, and their crime was having a few drinks with friends in an Australian dominated local pub) who were MURDERED at the Sari nightclub in Bali by islamic terrorists on 12 Oct 02.

BTW, that bombing killed 202 people (more than the recent bombing in Spain), of which 89 were Australians, and even wiped out entire families, and a man from Wynyard Saskatchewan was also vapourised too, so Canada was also a victim.

This cowardly act was not the result of economic matters, but religious idealism of radical islam, and a hatred for anything western. Try www.dfat.gov.au or see things from the islamic side from a Sydney based website www.islamicsydney.com and check out their current affairs forum, and get an eye opener. Try doing a search for "wahibi islam australia"

Here is two more www.news.com.au www.dailytelegraph.com.au

Our ever vigilent Australian anti-terrorism authorities in the past weeks have arrested many of these dangerous extremists right here in Sydney, thwarting at least one bombing. One was picked up today, and another was sentanced to 9 yrs for organising a bombing of an embassy in Canberra, our nation's capital. Other islamic terrorists are currently being held in the most secure prison in Australia, while some have escaped Australia to the ME on forged passports. One was picked up in Beruit, on terr charges there and faces death or life ( in a notorious shyte hole ME prison) if found guilty.

Wake up to yourself!

Remember that next time you post.

Wes
 
Well said Mr. Allen. It's about more than just a simple economic analogy.  These small, but ruthless group of ba$tards won't stop until they get a chance to make their mark and offer themselves up to martyrdom.  If we fail to sort then out now, then we are in for long and continued existence under threats and cowardly acts of mass murder.
 
Whats up smooth? Not enough intestinal fortitude for a reply? :gunner:

Wes
 
In school right now, I'll muster up a response when I get back, although there is a lot of truth to what you are saying. But if you wish to eradicate the problem search for root causes, you well know that the show of force and excessive retaliation tactics will not work out, these are people that can survive in extreme conditions, they're children are brought up with an AK from the age of 6, and the Isreali-Palestinian conflict well illustrates that no matter how much violence you use to confront them, they'll strike back with barbaric attacks.
 
Smooth, you are not even worth a waist of an argument! In fact I am totally disgusted in your attitude, and a newbie at that, shame on ya! Any genuine person can admit if he/she overstepped the boundries.You just keep on believing what you want to ( that was a freedom paid by over 100,000 gallant Canadians killed in 20th century wars so you can have your freedoms instead of being hung for what you believe), while others try to do the right thing. 'Pi$s off.   :rocket:
 
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