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If anyone knows what it takes to train an army, it's Sandra Buckler.

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If anyone knows what it takes to train an army, it's Sandra Buckler.
Friday, October 26, 2007
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Given the two different assessments of what it would take to train the Afghan National Army to stand on its own, the one offered by the Harper government is easily dismissed. Rick Hillier, for all his bluster, is providing a more accurate assessment of the conditions and challenges facing any group charged with producing a self-sustaining ANA.

Hillier stopped short of saying Canada should remain in situ to do the job, although it's not a leap to presume that that is what he would prefer. Regardless, what Hillier is saying is that given the current circumstances nobody will be able to produce the results offered by Harper's government in the latest Throne Speech.

Enter Sandra Buckler.

[A] spokesperson for the Prime Minister, Sandra Buckler, stuck to the early end date, saying it was "achievable" and in line with the Afghanistan Compact, the agreement drawn up between the international community and the Afghan government. In her emailed statement, Buckler did not acknowledge Hillier's comments.
Spin. And nobody believes it. Just as nobody believed that she didn't attempt to mangle manipulate the message when Harper visited Afghanistan earlier this year. More than one source fell millimeters short of calling Sandra Buckler an outright liar.

The fact is, Hillier's assessment is believable because it's based on the current metrics. Whether the ANA kandaks being trained by the Canadian Army are, in fact, "top-notch" doesn't really enter the picture. What is true is that it takes three years to train a single Afghan infantry battalion and we're only half-way there. That doesn't even take into account that the ANA has virtually nothing in the way of combat support and logistical support elements. Adding those in would make Hillier's assessment optimistic.

Hillier has forwarded something which the Harperites know will cause Canadians to balk: the idea of war-without-end. If the ANA is unable to deal with security situation in Afghanistan on its own, the dismal picture being presented is that Canadian troops will continue to be involved in the same kind of asymmetrical warfare they are now engaged in and will continue to suffer losses - unless we can convince other allies to take on that part of the mission - even for a while.

And how's that effort going?

Even though Defence Minister Peter MacKay and Bernier, the foreign affairs minister, invested much time drumming up replacements or support for Canadian troops in Kandahar, there were no firm offers to send new troops to one of the country's most dangerous regions.
Which would make Buckler's input even farther away from reality.

Even the Bush administration, which should be shouldering the blame for the current situation in Afghanistan, can't convince NATO's European nations to step into the meat grinder.

Defense Secretary Robert Gates yesterday questioned the commitment of some NATO allies to winning in Afghanistan, saying the outcome there is at "real risk" because some European nations are unwilling to provide enough troops and resources to the mission.

[...]

The U.S. has 26,000 troops in Afghanistan and the non-U.S. total is 23,000. For the past year, NATO has had overall command of the forces, other than 13,000 U.S. troops doing counterterrorism missions.
As much as Gates cajoled Europe's NATO nations, they did not cough up the helicopters he asked for and they hesitate to take on what is increasingly appearing to be an unending situation in Afghanistan's south.

They have every good reason to refuse to engage any further than they have now.

At the outset NATO was lied to by the Bush administration as to the nature of the mission and the level of stability in Afghanistan. It was sold as a peacekeeping mission. Yet, in the south, there was no peace to keep and the supposed stability Rumsfeld had advertised was non-existent. One of the reasons for early casualties after the NATO ISAF takeover of command was that forces which arrived in the most dangerous areas were under-equipped and lacked the type of robust defensive arrangements required for a full-blown combat mission. NATO can take some of the blame for actually believing a US administration which had now developed a reputation for deceptive bait-and-switch behaviour.

There is another recent revelation though, which, if true, puts a lie to the whole concept of a War On Terror. Regardless of whatever military adventures the US embarks upon, everything goes back to one event and one person: the attacks on US soil orchestrated by Osama bin Laden.

No matter what else happens, support for the US mission in Afghanistan hinges on getting the person responsible for those attacks. And now it appears, either through complete incompetence or perhaps for other nefarious reasons, that the primary target of the Global War On Terror has been ignored.

We know, with a 70 percent level of certainty - which is huge in the world of intelligence - that in August of 2007, bin Laden was in a convoy headed south from Tora Bora. We had his butt, on camera, on satellite. We were listening to his conversations. We had the world’s best hunters/killers - Seal Team 6 - nearby. We had the world class Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) coordinating with the CIA and other agencies. We had unmanned drones overhead with missiles on their wings; we had the best Air Force on the planet, begging to drop one on the terrorist. We had him in our sights; we had done it. Nice job again guys - now, pull the damn trigger.
Unbelievably, and in my opinion, criminally, we did not kill Usama bin Laden.

You cannot make this crap up; truth is always stranger and more telling than fiction. Our government, the current administration and yes, our military leaders included, failed to kill bin Laden for no other reason than incompetence.

The current “boneheads” in charge will tell you all day long that we are fighting and dying in Iraq and Afghanistan to stop terrorists there so they do not come here. Nice talk, how about - just for a moment - acting like you mean what you say? You know walk the walk. These incidents, where we displayed a total lack of guts, like the one in August, are just too prevalent. The United States of America’s political and military leadership has, on at least three separate occasions, chosen not capture or kill bin Laden or Ayman al-Zawahri. We have allowed Pakistan to become a safe haven for Al Qaeda. We have allowed Al Qaeda to reconstitute, partially because of money they (Al Qaeda in Iraq) have been sending to Al Qaeda in Pakistan.
More on link

 
a post on CTV's story about the Harper/Hillier contraversy:

The ignorance being shown in the comments is disheartening. For starters, the people of Afghanistan are referred to as "Afghans". The currency of Afghanistan is "Afghani". Now, when will the Afghan Army be ready for the job at hand, alone? I haven't the foggiest. Now, Canada may get to a point (politically) by 2011 where the Afghan Army could do "enough" with minimal NATO boosting (with or without Canada). Gen Hillier answered the question of when they could do it alone.

Now, let's look back into our own history. Even after 1867, the front line defence of Canada was a job held by the United Kingdom. British units were stationed in Canada against a very real threat: US expansion northward. We didn't have our own regular troops (less artillery, which pre-date confederation) until 1883: some 16 years after confederation. To assert that Afghanistan can go from ruins to self-sustaining in less than half that time is a pipe dream.

As for "why" we are in Afghanistan, google "WTC" or "9/11" and find out for yourselves. Also google the myriad of UN resolutions on the matter.

Let us not forget that when we were in the Balkans for a similar period of time (that would put us back to 1997), Canadian battlegroups on a similar scope of deployment that we currently see in Afghanistan would be in theatre for another SEVEN years. (The various operations in the Balkans went from 1991 to 2004). NATO is STILL there, in force.

Afghanistan won't be solved overnight. It will take time. As for troops simply saying "what they are told to say" is bunk. Soldiers have throughout time and across armies been very free in giving their opinions. In fact, whenever an opinion is given that goes against the grain, it is newsworthy.

My final question: how can we focus "solely" on aid and training in an insecure environment? As well, rebuking other nations for not pulling their fair share is probably not a good leg to stand on as far as Canada goes. Even at the height of the Cold War, Canada did its very least in Europe. As well, in Kabul, Canada did an intense version of peacekeeping, while the US (and some others) did all the heavy lifting in the South. Only now is Canada pulling its fair share, and in that sense, it's about time.

We are doing very good work in Kandahar Province. To criticise this as "taking too long" is showing lack of fortitude. How many of the critics face the possibility of going over to Afghanistan? Probably none. Given that there is no conscription, our economy is one of the strongest world wide, yet the recruiting centres are maxing out tells me that there are MANY young Canadians who believe as I do that we are fighting the good fight over there.


Link:  http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20071025/hillier_PMO_071026/20071026?hub=Canada
 
"I'm getting quite tired of people who can't make a simple distinction between combat and non-combat missions." - Bob (on the link).

- Me too, Bob.  You realize, of course, that soldier's are trained for "battle", and "battle" takes place whenever some idiot shoots at you (or intends to), no matter what 'mission' you happen to be on.  Now that you understand that, whenever Canadians on a "non-combat" mission grab their weapons and start stacking up like cordwood some locals (and not so locals) who are unclear on the concept, lets not hear any dripping about them shooting people on a 'non-combat mission'. 



 
GAP said:
We know, with a 70 percent level of certainty - which is huge in the world of intelligence - that in August of 2007, bin Laden was in a convoy headed south from Tora Bora. We had his butt, on camera, on satellite. We were listening to his conversations. We had the world’s best hunters/killers - Seal Team 6 - nearby. We had the world class Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) coordinating with the CIA and other agencies. We had unmanned drones overhead with missiles on their wings; we had the best Air Force on the planet, begging to drop one on the terrorist. We had him in our sights; we had done it. Nice job again guys - now, pull the damn trigger.
Unbelievably, and in my opinion, criminally, we did not kill Usama bin Laden.  You cannot make this crap up; truth is always stranger and more telling than fiction. Our government, the current administration and yes, our military leaders included, failed to kill bin Laden for no other reason than incompetence. 

I could care less about Buckler, only the latest in a long line of government spin doctors who think they are doing something good by spewing BS.

However I am interested in the section of the article above.  Anyone heard of this before, from a reliable source?
 
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