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Posted by "Randy Johnston" <randicus@home.com> on Fri, 8 Dec 2000 08:44:32 -0800
Hi Ya‘ll, I have been given the honour of the toast to the Regiment this
year at the British Columbia Regiments‘ Men‘s X-mas dinner, in order to
deliver this with flair I open a question to the list
What is the proper structure for a toast to the Regiment?
What are some suggestions for appropriate content for this toast?
Let the thoughts flow...
Randy
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Hi
Ya‘ll,
I have been given the honour of the toast to the Regiment this year at
the
British Columbia Regiments‘ Men‘s X-mas dinner, in order to deliver this
with
flair I open a question to the list
What
isthe
proper structure for a toast to the Regiment?
What
aresome suggestions for appropriate content for this
toast?
Let
the thoughts
flow...
Randy
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Posted by "Ian Edwards" <iedwards@home.com> on Fri, 8 Dec 2000 19:39:20 -0700
Each regiment does it differently, so you should check with your RSM or
DCO or some such senior member of your unit. Your toast would follow the
Loyal Toast. How soon after would depend on how quickly the PMC wants
to move things along, but usually less than a few minutes. You as Vice
will likely be seated at the opposite corner of the room from the PMC
the PMC in the first seat below and to the far right of the head table
[right as viewed by the people at the head table] and you will be at the
bottom end of your row well "below the salt". Symbolically, Mr. Vice
is the junior member of the Mess.
The PMC will rise after rapping the table for silence or ringing some
form of metallic trench art or whatever is customary in your unit and
say, "Mr. Vice, the Regiment". Mr. Vice arises alone and proposes the
toast "Gentleman or Ladies and Gentleman, The Regiment". If your Band
is present it should play the first six or so bars of your Regimental
quickmarch, as all members rise and stand to attention no glasses in
hand, but this is honoured in the breach most often. All present at
table then raise their glasses and reply, "the British Columbia Regiment
Duke of Connaught‘s Own" immediately after the music stops.
Just remember to say your small bit in stentorian tones - to falter is
probably worse than to say the wrong thing. :
And NEVER add any other impromptu remarks of your own, such as "the
good old 6th" nor "the Thirteenth Armoured" or such UNLESS it is
traditional to do so in your unit.
I always believed that a toast, particularly the Loyal toast, had to be
drunk with a spirit port or sometimes madeira is acceptable but
recently an old comrade has tried to convince me that a toast may be
drunk with water, this permission having been given by King George V.
All I know is that when the Loyal toast is given, the member should be
given the option of wine or water, never both, in case the respondent to
the toast is a Jacobite follower of Bonnie Prince Charlie as are/were
many Highlanders who would secretly toast BP Chas by passing their wine
glass over top of the water glass to toast BP Charlie "over the water -
in exile in France".
To prevent any disloyalty, it is customary to remove the water glasses
and as happend to me a couple of years ago told I had the choice
either/or, not both glassses. But here, as always, a proper dinner
depends on the instructions given by the PMC to the Mess Manager.
The Dukes may do something different - best to check.
I sure hope there aren‘t some units doing the toast in orange juice or
some other politically correct, new age vile liquid. Harrumph!
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Johnston
To: Canadian Army Mailing List
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 9:44 AM
Subject: Men‘s‘ Mess Dinner
Hi Ya‘ll, I have been given the honour of the toast to the Regiment
this year at the British Columbia Regiments‘ Men‘s X-mas dinner, in
order to deliver this with flair I open a question to the list

What is the proper structure for a toast to the Regiment?

What are some suggestions for appropriate content for this toast?

Let the thoughts flow...

Randy
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Each regiment does it differently, so
you should
check with your RSM or DCO or some such senior member of your unit. Your
toast
would follow the Loyal Toast. How soon after would depend on how
quickly
the PMC wants to move things along, but usually less than a few minutes.
You as
Vice will likely be seated at the opposite corner of the room from the
PMC the
PMC in the first seat below and to the far right of the head table
[right as
viewed bythe people at the head table] and you will be at the
bottom end
of your row well "below the salt". Symbolically, Mr. Vice is the
junior member
of the Mess.
The PMC will rise after rapping the
table for
silence or ringing some form of metallic trench art or whatever is
customary in
your unit and say, "Mr. Vice, the Regiment". Mr. Vice arises alone and
proposes
the toast "Gentleman or Ladies and Gentleman, The Regiment". If your
Band is
present it should play the first six or so bars of your Regimental
quickmarch,
as all members rise and stand to attention no glasses in hand, but this
is
honoured in the breach most often. All present at table then raise
their
glasses and reply, "the British Columbia Regiment Duke of Connaught‘s
Own"
immediately after the music stops.
Just remember to say your small bit in
stentorian
tones - to falter is probably worse than to say the wrong
thing. :
And NEVER add any other impromptu
remarks of
your own, such as "the good old 6th" nor "the Thirteenth Armoured" or
such
UNLESS it is traditional to do so in your unit.
I always believed that a toast,
particularly the
Loyal toast, had to be drunk with a spirit port or sometimes madeira is
acceptable but recently an old comrade has tried to convince me that a
toast
may be drunk with water, this permission having been given by King
George V. All
I know is that when the Loyal toast is given, the member should be given
the
option of wine or water, never both, in case the respondent to the toast
is a
Jacobite follower of Bonnie Prince Charlie as are/were many
Highlanders who
would secretly toast BP Chas by passing their wine glass over top of the
water
glass to toast BP Charlie "over the water - in exile in
France".
To prevent any disloyalty, it is
customary to
remove the water glasses and as happend to me a couple of years ago
told I had
the choice either/or, not both glassses. But here, as always, a proper
dinner
depends on the instructions given by the PMC to the Mess
Manager.
The Dukes may do something different -
best to
check.
I sure hope there aren‘t some units
doing the toast
in orange juice or some other politically correct, new age vile liquid.
Harrumph!
----- Original Message -----
From:
Randy
Johnston

To: Canadian Army Mailing List
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000
9:44
AM
Subject: Men‘s‘ Mess
Dinner

Hi
Ya‘ll, I have been given the honour of the toast to the Regiment
this
year at the British Columbia Regiments‘ Men‘s X-mas dinner, in order
to
deliver this with flair I open a question to the
list

What
isthe proper structure for a toast to the
Regiment?

What
aresome suggestions for appropriate content for this
toast?

Let the
thoughts flow...

Randy
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Posted by "Gow" <jgow@home.com> on Fri, 8 Dec 2000 22:09:01 -0500
Congrats, Ian, I‘d give you the theoretical 100, but likely, you‘ll
have to settle for 98 answer, as there‘s probably some arcane point we
are missing...
Not many non-Jacobites knowe that "over the water" stuff...
John
----- Original Message -----
From: Ian Edwards
To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 9:39 PM
Subject: Re: Men‘s‘ Mess Dinner
Each regiment does it differently, so you should check with your RSM
or DCO or some such senior member of your unit. Your toast would follow
the Loyal Toast. How soon after would depend on how quickly the PMC
wants to move things along, but usually less than a few minutes. You as
Vice will likely be seated at the opposite corner of the room from the
PMC the PMC in the first seat below and to the far right of the head
table [right as viewed by the people at the head table] and you will be
at the bottom end of your row well "below the salt". Symbolically, Mr.
Vice is the junior member of the Mess.
The PMC will rise after rapping the table for silence or ringing some
form of metallic trench art or whatever is customary in your unit and
say, "Mr. Vice, the Regiment". Mr. Vice arises alone and proposes the
toast "Gentleman or Ladies and Gentleman, The Regiment". If your Band
is present it should play the first six or so bars of your Regimental
quickmarch, as all members rise and stand to attention no glasses in
hand, but this is honoured in the breach most often. All present at
table then raise their glasses and reply, "the British Columbia Regiment
Duke of Connaught‘s Own" immediately after the music stops.
Just remember to say your small bit in stentorian tones - to falter is
probably worse than to say the wrong thing. :
And NEVER add any other impromptu remarks of your own, such as "the
good old 6th" nor "the Thirteenth Armoured" or such UNLESS it is
traditional to do so in your unit.
I always believed that a toast, particularly the Loyal toast, had to
be drunk with a spirit port or sometimes madeira is acceptable but
recently an old comrade has tried to convince me that a toast may be
drunk with water, this permission having been given by King George V.
All I know is that when the Loyal toast is given, the member should be
given the option of wine or water, never both, in case the respondent to
the toast is a Jacobite follower of Bonnie Prince Charlie as are/were
many Highlanders who would secretly toast BP Chas by passing their wine
glass over top of the water glass to toast BP Charlie "over the water -
in exile in France".
To prevent any disloyalty, it is customary to remove the water glasses
and as happend to me a couple of years ago told I had the choice
either/or, not both glassses. But here, as always, a proper dinner
depends on the instructions given by the PMC to the Mess Manager.
The Dukes may do something different - best to check.
I sure hope there aren‘t some units doing the toast in orange juice or
some other politically correct, new age vile liquid. Harrumph!
----- Original Message -----
From: Randy Johnston
To: Canadian Army Mailing List
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 9:44 AM
Subject: Men‘s‘ Mess Dinner
Hi Ya‘ll, I have been given the honour of the toast to the Regiment
this year at the British Columbia Regiments‘ Men‘s X-mas dinner, in
order to deliver this with flair I open a question to the list
What is the proper structure for a toast to the Regiment?
What are some suggestions for appropriate content for this toast?
Let the thoughts flow...
Randy
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arcane point we are missing...
Not many non-Jacobites knowe that "over
the water"
stuff...
John
----- Original Message -----
From:
Ian
Edwards

To: army-list@CdnArmy.ca
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000
9:39
PM
Subject: Re: Men‘s‘ Mess
Dinner

Each regiment does it differently, so
you should
check with your RSM or DCO or some such senior member of your unit.
Your toast
would follow the Loyal Toast. How soon after would depend on how
quickly
the PMC wants to move things along, but usually less than a few
minutes. You
as Vice will likely be seated at the opposite corner of the room from
the PMC
the PMC in the first seat below and to the far right of the head
table [right
as viewed bythe people at the head table] and you will be at the
bottom
end of your row well "below the salt". Symbolically, Mr. Vice is the
junior
member of the Mess.

The PMC will rise after rapping the
table for
silence or ringing some form of metallic trench art or whatever is
customary
in your unit and say, "Mr. Vice, the Regiment". Mr. Vice arises alone
and
proposes the toast "Gentleman or Ladies and Gentleman, The
Regiment". If
your Band is present it should play the first six or so bars of your
Regimental quickmarch, as all members rise and stand to attention no
glasses
in hand, but this is honoured in the breach most often. All present
at table
then raise their glasses and reply, "the British Columbia Regiment
Duke of
Connaught‘s Own" immediately after the music stops.

Just remember to say your small bit
in stentorian
tones - to falter is probably worse than to say the wrong
thing. :

And NEVER add any other
impromptu remarks
of your own, such as "the good old 6th" nor "the Thirteenth Armoured"
or such
UNLESS it is traditional to do so in your unit.

I always believed that a toast,
particularly the
Loyal toast, had to be drunk with a spirit port or sometimes madeira
is
acceptable but recently an old comrade has tried to convince me that
a toast
may be drunk with water, this permission having been given by King
George V.
All I know is that when the Loyal toast is given, the member should be
given
the option of wine or water, never both, in case the respondent to the
toast
is a Jacobite follower of Bonnie Prince Charlie as are/were many
Highlanders
who would secretly toast BP Chas by passing their wine glass over top
of the
water glass to toast BP Charlie "over the water - in exile in
France".

To prevent any disloyalty, it is
customary to
remove the water glasses and as happend to me a couple of years ago
told I
had the choice either/or, not both glassses. But here, as always, a
proper
dinner depends on the instructions given by the PMC to the Mess
Manager.

The Dukes may do something different
- best to
check.

I sure hope there aren‘t some units
doing the
toast in orange juice or some other politically correct, new age vile
liquid.
Harrumph!

----- Original Message -----
From:
Randy
Johnston
To: Canadian Army Mailing List
Sent: Friday, December 08,
2000 9:44
AM
Subject: Men‘s‘ Mess
Dinner

Hi
Ya‘ll, I have been given the honour of the toast to the
Regiment this
year at the British Columbia Regiments‘ Men‘s X-mas dinner, in order
to
deliver this with flair I open a question to the
list

What
isthe proper structure for a toast to the
Regiment?

What
aresome suggestions for appropriate content for this
toast?

Let the
thoughts flow...

Randy
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