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Naval Officers Once Again to Wear the Executive Curl

I find it interesting that NCdts will not have a curl, especially considering that they've had it on mess kit for several years.  Are they going to have to take if off their mess kits?  This will surely upset all three of them that actually have mess kit! ;D
 
Snakedoc said:
"Officer cadets will retain the current CF rank insignia without the executive curl."

Damn!

The way I see it (aside from the obvious use of the curl with NCdt mess dress), if they're willing to bastardize SLt insignia by inverting it, they might as well continue on bastardizing by giving me (and my fellow NCdts) a wee little curl.

:2c:
 
Lex Parsimoniae said:
Don't do it!  Wait until you've passed MARS IV and then treat yourself.  You won't need mess kit before then.

Heh, I suppose that that would be prudent, given the failure rate of the MARS phase training.  Being already active military circles here at home, there is a relatively good chance that I may need it.  It may not be terribly necessary, but I feel that I should get it as soon as it is within my means, since while I have Army alternatives for dress, I will not have many navy ones (just 2B).

ekpiper
 
Pusser said:
. . .
As an aside, the rank of Master Seaman was introduced before everybody managed to get into the green uniform.  The badge of the new MS on the square rig was supposed to be a single fouled anchor with a crown above.  I've only seen this described in a regulation.  I've never seen a picture of anyone actually wearing it.
. . .

Not to derail the discussion again to square rig, but a photo of the insignia (on a blue jumper) can be found at:

http://mpmuseum.org/rcn_uniform_ratings2.html  (mid-way down the page)

The rank insignia is that of a Leading Seaman with at least 3 years service. The Crown above the Leading Seaman's rank insignia is uncommon and it is described in CFP 152 (Seaman's Handbook) dated 6 July 1970 "Master seaman wear a crown above the leading seaman insignia." This would have been in wear until the "square rig pattern uniforms" were withdrawn in the mid 1970s and replaced by the CF Greens.
 
Now that's curious.  The crown in the picture is a Tudor crown, which was replaced by St Edward's crown on badges at least ten years before unification and the rank of Master Seaman existed.
 
Things do change over time, eh. The Royal Navy also no longer uses these shoulder boards for their admirals, seeing that they now follow the more common system of stars (Rear Admiral with two, Vice Admiral with three and Admiral with four). However, commodores in the UK are not considered flag officers as they are here.
 
Je sera audacieux  (as we say at HMCS QUÉBEC) tomorrow. I will have a service dress tunic prepared with executive curls tomorrow (to be ahead of the line up).

Cheers!
Stevi
 
ctjj.stevenson said:
Je sera audacieux  (as we say at HMCS QUÉBEC) tomorrow. I will have a service dress tunic prepared with executive curls tomorrow (to be ahead of the line up).  Cheers!
Stevi
The role out is going to be very orderly. Warming the bell is not recommended.  The new insignia will not appear "willy nilly."

As of today there is not enough material in the country to do what is planned for the reveal that will occur several weeks after the official announcement. 
 
I am happy the executive curl is finally seeing the light of day.  Obviously it won't role out over night... and I would expect the base tailor to be completely out of stock at all times anyways.  I component transferred from the reserves last year (from MS 00225 to SLt 00345) and found out how hard it was to get slip-ons let alone even one pair of shoulder boards (too bad it is not allowed to mix an NCM white short sleeve shirt with navy officer rank slip-ons...)

Anyone know if there will be private sales of these items in the Halifax area?  I know of Mia at the CANEX by Naden on the west coast.. but despite my years in Halifax I never have known about a similar merchant here.
 
Your best bet in Halifax is Quinpool Tailor, which, oddly enough, is NOT on Quinpool Road, nor even that close to it.  It's on Oxford St, closer to Bayers Rd.
 
One may always order online or by phone with Mia's, and the service is quick. Anyways, I do believe that she does have stock for quick people who want to look "cool" with the updated ranks insignias. For online information, www.medalscanada.com.

 
May 02, 2010 09:45 ET
Navy Welcomes Uniform Changes
OTTAWA, ONTARIO--(Marketwire - May 2, 2010) - The Honourable Peter MacKay, Minister of National Defence today announced changes to the Canadian Navy uniform in commemoration of Canada's Naval Centennial.

The navy will add a badge called a Sea Service Insignia (SSI), a visible and formal recognition for those who have spent significant amounts of time at sea. Also, the government will reinstate the "executive curl," a loop on the braid of a naval officer's rank insignia, on the top-most stripe of a tunic sleeve or epaulette. The executive curl was adopted by the Canadian Navy when it was formed in 1910.

"The executive curl provides a distinct naval officer identity that was lost when the National Defence Act unified the three services in 1968. What better time to bring back this tradition than in the year of the Canadian Navy's 100th anniversary" said the Honourable Peter Mackay, Minister of National Defence. Vice-Admiral P.D. McFadden, Chief of the Maritime Staff, also welcomed the changes saying, "Recognition of people is vital to our long term operational effectiveness. The creation of the SSI is intended to recognize the efforts of all those who serve at sea and to re-enforce the key role that naval operations play in Canadian security at home and in diplomacy abroad."

The SSI is a visible and formal recognition of the time the navy's sailors, as well as members of the army and air force who sail on HMC Ships, spend at sea, away from their homes and loved ones. It is a way of saying "thank you" to all those who have spent significant amounts of time away from their homes and families in service to the Canadian Navy. Four different levels have been designed, with members receiving the first insignia for 365 days spent at sea.


For more information, please contact

Navy Public Affairs

Watch for a CANFORGE/MARGEN regarding effective date and implementation
 
RangerRay said:
And army officers get pips/crowns when...?  ;D

Hopefully, never.  We don't need more archaic, useless Brit traditions.
 
RangerRay said:
And army officers get pips/crowns when...?  ;D

Great, then our WO's will be getting saluted by those that can't tell us apart from a  Major...

MM
 
Article on CTV about the announcement with a nice picture of the curl on a Canadian uniform.

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20100502/canadian-navy-centennial-100502/20100502?hub=Canada

Navy marks centennial by reinstating 'executive curl'

HALIFAX — After serving 43 years in the Canadian navy, including two tours during the Korean War, you wouldn't think someone like George Aucoin would be moved by something so insignificant as a small gold braid.

But you would be wrong.

"The navy has come back to life," Aucoin exclaimed Sunday after Defence Minister Peter MacKay announced he would reinstate the so-called executive curl on officers' uniforms to mark the navy's 100th anniversary in Canada.

The curl is a loop of braid that appears above an officer's rank insignia on their epaulettes and tunic sleeves. Its origins can be traced to the 1850s during the Crimean War, and it was adopted by the Royal Canadian Navy when it was formed in 1910-11.

But the curl was dropped when the branches of the Canadian Forces were unified in 1968.

Aucoin, a retired chief petty officer from Margaree Harbour, N.S., said that was a bad idea.

"Its significance is that it shows we have a navy," he said after MacKay spoke to a small crowd of sailors at Canadian Forces Base Halifax.

"It's hard for some of the new personnel to see the significance because they didn't wear the old uniform ... It was part of our identity. It will mean a great deal to us seeing it come back."

But the uniform change is only one of many ways the navy plans to commemorate its centennial.

There will be international fleet assemblies at naval bases in Victoria and Halifax, port visits by Canadian warships along the St. Lawrence River, Great Lakes and Canada's coastlines, a musical revue, publication of a coffee table book and the unveiling Monday of a stamp series by Canada Post.

On Tuesday, more than 2,000 sailors will parade through the streets of Halifax and Victoria, marking 100 years since royal assent was given to the Naval Service Act, which established Canada's Department of Naval Service.

As well, Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Vice-Admiral Dean McFadden, Chief of the Maritime Staff, will present a ship's bell -- dubbed the Canadian Navy Centennial Bell -- during a ceremony on Parliament Hill.

Later this summer, the Queen will pay tribute to the navy when she visits Halifax.

MacKay also announced Sunday the navy will soon offer all members of the military a badge called a Sea Service Insignia to recognize those who spend at least 365 days of cumulative time at sea during their military careers.

The minister made the announcements prior to the annual tribute to those who served during the Battle of the Atlantic, one of the longest campaigns of the Second World War.

"It was during this time that our navy acquired its sense of purpose," MacKay said. "Our men and women in uniform sacrificed so much and they very much deserve our thanks and recognition."

MacKay spoke briefly about the navy's support during the Vancouver Olympics, the humanitarian assistance it offered after a devastating earthquake hit Haiti in January and its ongoing missions to combat piracy off the Horn of Africa.

He said he had just returned from the High Arctic where navy ships have helped reassert Canadian sovereignty despite harsh conditions, and he commended Canada's sailors for their efforts to thwart terrorism in southwest Asia since the 9-11 attacks in 2001.

"Tonne for tonne, sailor for sailor, we take a back seat to no one -- Canada's navy is among the best in the world," he said.

But there was a time when the navy didn't have much to crow about.

Only four years after it came into being, the Royal Canadian Navy had only two ships and 350 men as Canada was thrust into the First World War. It could offer little more than modest patrols while German U-boats sank several Canadian fishing trawlers and schooners off the East Coast.

By contrast, the navy played a decisive role during the Second World War by assuming responsibility for the northwest Atlantic, the only major theatre of the war to be commanded by Canadians.

The Battle of the Atlantic saw the navy escort more than 25,000 merchant ships to Europe. The RCN lost 14 warships to enemy attack and another eight ships to accidents at sea, with about 2,000 sailors losing their lives.

As well, at least 70 merchant navy ships were lost during the war, claiming the lives of 1,700 seamen.

By the close of the war, Canada had the third-largest navy in the world with 90,000 men and 6,000 women in uniform, and 434 commissioned vessels including cruisers, destroyers, frigates, corvettes and auxiliaries.

"The Canadian navy came of age then," said Rear Admiral Paul Maddison, Commander Maritime Forces Atlantic.

"Unlike Vimy, there was no land to hold, no flag to plant, no memorial to build. We just went out, did what we needed to do alongside merchant mariners and we came back, turned around, and we did it again and again and again."

During the Korean War, eight Canadian destroyers were dispatched to the Far East. They blockaded the coast, protected aircraft carriers, bombarded enemy-held coastal areas and provided humanitarian aid.

The advent of the Cold War prompted the navy to improve its ability to track Soviet submarines and long-range aircraft while working with NATO allies.

More recently, the Canadian navy was deployed during conflicts in Persian Gulf, the former Yugoslavia and East Timor.

"We haven't stopped, " said Maddison, adding that the navy is looking forward to the modernization of its 12 Halifax-class frigates -- starting this September -- refurbishment of all four Victoria-class submarines, development of an Arctic patrol ship and introduction of the Cyclone helicopter to replace the aging Sea King.

 
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