Navy and Special Forces

[SheldonDVerge]

If I join the Navy and then want to be a part of the CSOR could I?

 

[Terry1026]

I would go on CSOR or JTF2 Website and research into the selection process and eligibility.

Good luck

 

[brihard]

If I join the Navy and then want to be a part of the CSOR could I?

To the best of my knowledge CSOR will recruit from any trade, however it will be much harder for you to gain the necessary skills and aptitudes in the navy. Most CSOR types seem to come from the combat arms, and for very understandable reasons.

That's not to say you could never get into CSOR from the navy, but you'll be fighting an uphill battle, and will be competing with guys who already have infantry or other combat arms skills, experience working in an army environment, and for the most part combat tours in Afghanistan.

I will say that nobody should join the CF on the expectation of getting into a special operations unit farther down the road. It's perfectly fine to intend to try, but make sure you pick a trade you'll be happy with if later on the option isn't there, or if you can't cut it, or if you should simply change your mind.

 

[Task]

To the best of my knowledge CSOR will recruit from any trade, however it will be much harder for you to gain the necessary skills and aptitudes in the navy. Most CSOR types seem to come from the combat arms, and for very understandable reasons.

That's not to say you could never get into CSOR from the navy, but you'll be fighting an uphill battle, and will be competing with guys who already have infantry or other combat arms skills, experience working in an army environment, and for the most part combat tours in Afghanistan.

I will say that nobody should join the CF on the expectation of getting into a special operations unit farther down the road. It's perfectly fine to intend to try, but make sure you pick a trade you'll be happy with if later on the option isn't there, or if you can't cut it, or if you should simply change your mind.

I believe you may be mistaken on that.

CSOR's selection does not have anything to do with previous skills or aptitudes that you may garner from previous trades. They select from innate (born with) characteristics that they (CSOR) think are desirable.

This is just my opinion: I think that generally there are less applicants from the Navy and Air Force because generally, the ones that find that sort of thing appealing have joined the combat arms initially.

 

[Armymedic]

If I join the Navy and then want to be a part of the CSOR could I?

Yes.

 

[brihard]

I'm not saying he can't do it coming from the navy- just that he'll probably be more set up for success coming from the combat arms.

I am not a part of the SOFCOM community though, so my $.02 isn't worth much more than that. I simply consider it a given that having some of the skill sets already is an advantage.

 

[Armymedic]

Brihard,
You assume, not unlike most here, that in the initial post, they are asking if they can be a special operator in CSOR. Not everyone, and I would hazard to guess less than half the unit, would be operators. The majority being support personnel.

There are lots of jobs for Navy pers in such a unit.

 

[brihard]

Brihard,
You assume, not unlike most here, that in the initial post, they are asking if they can be a special operator in CSOR. Not everyone, and I would hazard to guess less than half the unit, would be operators. The majority being support personnel.

There are lots of jobs for Navy pers in such a unit.

Absolutely a fair point. My operating assumption for that one is that, like most civilians contemplating getting into the CF and then moving into SOFCOM, the OP was primarily interested in a 'tier 1' role, and is probably less aware of the substantial structure of supporting personnel. But you're certainly correct that there are a number of supporter positions with very different skillsets, and then depending on his trade in the navy he may well find himself after a few years to be particularly suited to one or more.

My intent wasn't to dismiss the support roles; just that without much to go on, I figured he's looking at assaulter positions, since they're the 'sexiest'.

 

[Good2Golf]

I would go on CSOR or JTF2 Website and research into the selection process and eligibility.

Good luck

:nod:

...which would lead to:
http://www.csor.forces.gc.ca/rs/canforge-eng.asp

...PART IIB - CSOR

1. CSOR IS A HIGH-READINESS SOF UNIT CAPABLE OF CONDUCTING MISSIONS AND FORCE GENERATING FOR INTEGRATED SPEC OPS TASK FORCES (SOTFS) TO EXECUTE OPS ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA

2. CSOR IS COMPRISED OF VARIOUS CATEGORIES OF EMPLOYMENT:

a. CSOR OPERATOR: CONSISTS OF PERS SELECTED FROM ALL ELEMENTS (SEA, AIR AND LAND) OF THE REG AND RES F WHO ARE DIRECTLY EMPLOYED IN THE TACTICAL ASPECTS OF SOTFS

b. CSOR SP: CONSISTS OF PERS SELECTED PRIMARILY FROM REG FORCE. FOR AVAL POSNS, INTERESTED PERS MAY CONSULT THE MANNING LIST ON THE CSOR RECR AND SEL WEBSITE HTTP://CSOR.MIL.CA/RS/ASP-PDS-ENG.ASP OR CONTACT CSOR RECR AND SEL CELL. APPLICATIONS FOR SP POSNS ARE NOT PRESENTLY BEING ACCEPTED FROM RES F PERS. HOWEVER, LIMITED CLASS B EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES ARE AVAL AND INTERESTED PERS ARE ENCOURAGED TO CHECK EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITY MSGS OR CONTACT CSOR RECR AND SEL CELL

3. DEADLINE: APPLICATIONS FOR CSOR OPERATOR MUST BE RECEIVED NLT 02 JUL 10. APPLICATIONS FOR CSOR SP POSNS ARE ACCEPTED ON A CONTINUING BASIS. ALL APPLICATIONS ARE TO BE FORWARDED TO CSOR RECR AND SEL CELL

4. QUESTIONS REGARDING CSOR SELECTION SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO THE CSOR RECR AND SEL CELL USING THE TOLL FREE NUMBER 1-800-262-1507. MORE INFORMATION ON ELIGIBILITY, OPENINGS FOR APS 2010 AND APPLICATION PROCESS IS AVAILABLE AT THE FOLLOWING WEBSITE WEBSITE HTTP://CSOR.MIL.CA/RS/INDEX-ENG.ASP
...

For those not currently in the CF (the above URLs are DWAN only), questions should be directed to the CF Recruiting Centre personnel.

Of note, being "in the Navy" would in no way keep a sailor who had the proper qualities from becoming an 'operator' in CSOR.  As well, Brihard, a 'tier 1' operator (not that the Tier 1, 2, 3 nomenclature holds 100% in Canada) is more correctly called an 'assaulter' (a qualification for which a sailor could also apply for selection).

Regards
G2G

 

[Journeyman]

If I join the Navy and then want to be a part of the CSOR could I?

Yes

As well, Brihard, a 'tier 1' operator (not that the Tier 1, 2, 3 nomenclature holds 100% in Canada) is more correctly called an 'assaulter'

Writ large, the pointy end of JTF 2 are "assaualters," for CSOR and CJIRU, "operators," and for 427 SOAS, "baristas."

;D


Edit: OMG!! A typo 

 

[daftandbarmy]

The main difference of course,is, that in 20 years will will definitely still have a Navy. CSOR? Given the way we treat our SF, flip a coin (COIN).  ;D

 

[SheldonDVerge]

Thank you everyone for your responses. They help greatly. Im only 17 and enlisting in April to be a boatswain. Then in about 2-3 years I was thinking about trying to take part in being in the CSOR to challenge myself on a whole new level. Im an athlete so I have good conditioning even tho I know it will still be a challenge and im nothing but willing to accept and overcome anything the CF throws at me.

 

[willellis]

Hey Verge. Enjoy your time as a Bosn'. One position that you can also look into is the Coxn' for the assault boats for the JTF2. If you make it as a Bosn', and enjoy the job, Coxn' would be a pretty sweet gig. Take care and good luck.