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SeaKingTacco

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Phoenix, ArriveCan, icebreakers, their own pipeline, all kinds of military acquisition programs. But this government retraining program, it'll be fine.
This is a government retraining program on a scale never before attempted.

What could possibly go wrong?
 
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Also, you're insinuating that the breaking of my legs was a malicious act. The governments attempt to move us away from industries that contribute to climate change, while potentially fruitless, are nonetheless benevolent. It doesn't compare to me getting my legs broken by some malicious actor. A more apt comparison would be someone who broke my legs in order to save their child, and then coming to be and being like "Hey Bruh, totes sorry about having to break your legs, but it was the only way to save my kid. To make amends, I'll pay for your physio and get you some bomb-ass crutches."
Wow you don't really believe that? The whole thing is just the government is breaking something to hurt you because they believe you are in the way to their utopia and the believe in the increase in power they will receive. It has zero to do with saving the planet or helping anyone. But it's does make some people richer and othervmore control. That is the only goal.
 

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Wow you don't really believe that? The whole thing is just the government is breaking something to hurt you because they believe you are in the way to their utopia and the believe in the increase in power they will receive. It has zero to do with saving the planet or helping anyone. But it's does make some people richer and othervmore control. That is the only goal.
How cynical can you be? Actually, don't answer that; this entire forum is the epitome of cynicism when it comes to the "gov'ment".

I believe climate change is real and that it is being caused, or at least exacerbated, by humans. I do believe that some of us have an ounce of selflessness in us, especially when it comes to wanting there to be a planet for our kids and grandkids to live on. And yes, many of these people are in government. I know quite a few people who work in politics, mostly liberal and conservative, but I know a few green and ndp as well, and just about all of them agree that the government needs to do something to deal with climate change, since we can't trust private companies to do what's in the environments best interest, only what's in their shareholder's best interest. So, yes I believe that the government is enacting counter-climate-change initiatives because they actually want to do the responsible government thing and try and save the planet. I don't believe for a second that this is some sort of clandestine conspiracy to usurp more powee for the elites. Why else would there be so many grass roots environmentalist movements demanding these types of actions and approving of these types of policies?

Will this hurt some people and put them out of work? Yes absolutely, but so goes the blacksmith and the milk man. If the government can simultaneously create an initiative to soften the blow, all the better.

Finally, bitch about the 'Just(in) Transition' initiative all you want, but I can almost guarantee you that if the Cons win the next election the program will not go away (though they may change the name). Liberal detractors may be using it as an attack point, but it is exactly what it says it is, an attempt to get people jobs. Do you know who hates it when you take away their job prospects? Voters, and the Cons aren't stupid.
 

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How cynical can you be? Actually, don't answer that; this entire forum is the epitome of cynicism when it comes to the "gov'ment".

I believe climate change is real and that it is being caused, or at least exacerbated, by humans. I do believe that some of us have an ounce of selflessness in us, especially when it comes to wanting there to be a planet for our kids and grandkids to live on. And yes, many of these people are in government. I know quite a few people who work in politics, mostly liberal and conservative, but I know a few green and ndp as well, and just about all of them agree that the government needs to do something to deal with climate change, since we can't trust private companies to do what's in the environments best interest, only what's in their shareholder's best interest. So, yes I believe that the government is enacting counter-climate-change initiatives because they actually want to do the responsible government thing and try and save the planet. I don't believe for a second that this is some sort of clandestine conspiracy to usurp more powee for the elites. Why else would there be so many grass roots environmentalist movements demanding these types of actions and approving of these types of policies?

Will this hurt some people and put them out of work? Yes absolutely, but so goes the blacksmith and the milk man. If the government can simultaneously create an initiative to soften the blow, all the better.

Finally, bitch about the 'Just(in) Transition' initiative all you want, but I can almost guarantee you that if the Cons win the next election the program will not go away (though they may change the name). Liberal detractors may be using it as an attack point, but it is exactly what it says it is, an attempt to get people jobs. Do you know who hates it when you take away their job prospects? Voters, and the Cons aren't stupid.

Your unwavering faith in big government is admirable. You'd be a great umpire; you're consistent.
 
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I believe climate change is real and that it is being caused, or at least exacerbated, by humans. I do believe that some of us have an ounce of selflessness in us, especially when it comes to wanting there to be a planet for our kids and grandkids to live on. And yes, many of these people are in government. I know quite a few people who work in politics, mostly liberal and conservative, but I know a few green and ndp as well, and just about all of them agree that the government needs to do something to deal with climate change, since we can't trust private companies to do what's in the environments best interest, only what's in their shareholder's best interest. So, yes I believe that the government is enacting counter-climate-change initiatives because they actually want to do the responsible government thing and try and save the planet. I don't believe for a second that this is some sort of clandestine conspiracy to usurp more powee for the elites. Why else would there be so many grass roots environmentalist movements demanding these types of actions and approving of these types of policies?

But if you actually believed in good outcomes and you educated yourself you would know this government is doing the exact opposite to help the climate or this country. In fact, they are helping to make the world dependent on the biggest polluters while throttling this country's economic prosperity and future.

Canada should be supplying the world with LNG and working to get the largest polluters off of coal and dictator oil. The second and third order effects to that would be that Canada gets really rich and so do nations with cheap clean energy supplies... and Canada can spend that money on developing even more greener energy initiatives... and improving healthcare... and rebuilding the military... space exploration... and so on.
 

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Lol. I'm definitely not the incorrigible one on this site. In fact, I think I'm one of the ones most open to having my mind changed. When it comes to the government, I definitely have a healthy skepticism on both their competence and motives. There are some on this who I swear that if their own mothers got elected, they wouldnt trust anything she did or said simply because she's now in the government.
 

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The blacksmith and the milkman went away mostly because of private innovation and mostly without help from governments. Governments impede progress every time they choose wrongly. There aren't very many people in government thinking about complex problems compared to the millions of people making everyday decisions, so governments often choose wrongly.
 

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Lol. I'm definitely not the incorrigible one on this site. In fact, I think I'm one of the ones most open to having my mind changed. When it comes to the government, I definitely have a healthy skepticism on both their competence and motives. There are some on this who I swear that if their own mothers got elected, they wouldnt trust anything she did or said simply because she's now in the government.

Its not a spontaneous thought process. Its a response to the observation of repetitive behavior.
 
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