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The whole Karl Rove thing

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Its all about....well what day is it? The constantly shifting ground under the so called "Karl Rove" story suggests there is no story at all. A few quotes from Instapundit, and an expanded quote which I think puts it all into perspective"

JOHN PODESTA says the Plame scandalmongering is all about the war in Iraq http://treyjackson.typepad.com/junction/2005/07/video_podesta_p.html.

Of course it is. As Jerry Pournelle noted http://www.jerrypournelle.com/view/view370.html#Saturday, "[M]ost of the Democrats who want to beat up the administration over the war voted to authorize it, so an honest analysis of the war decision factors won't work. So, we have this imbecile investigation taking up time." Indeed.

Read this http://powerlineblog.com/archives/011062.php, too.

And here are more thoughts from Mark Steyn http://www.suntimes.com/output/steyn/cst-edt-steyn17.html: "But in the real world there's only one scandal in this whole wretched business -- that the CIA, as part of its institutional obstruction of the administration, set up a pathetic 'fact-finding mission' that would be considered a joke by any serious intelligence agency and compounded it by sending, at the behest of his wife, a shrill politically motivated poseur who, for the sake of 15 minutes' celebrity on the cable gabfest circuit, misled the nation about what he found. . . . What we have here is, in effect, the old standby plot of lame Hollywood conspiracy thrillers: rogue elements within the CIA attempting to destabilize the elected government."

And the true colours come out:

John Podesta and Ken Mehlman appeared on Meet the Press with Tim Russert this morning and John Podesta told us what "Leakgate" is really about: "The War in Iraq".

You can watch the video HERE

Russert: When you were at the Clinton WH, you will remember Pres. Clinton's testimony under oath, where his lawyer, Mr. Bennett saying there is no sex of any kind, and Mr. Clinton saying it depends on what is "is". Are those the kind of legal evasions you are accusing the Bush WH of?

Podesta: Well, I think the President paid a tremendous price. At the end of the day this isn't about Pres. Clinton, this is about the Bush WH, this is about the war in Iraq. This is about the fact that whether it's Dick Clarke or Joe Wilson or Gnl. Shinsheki or Max Cleland or Joe Wilson, the motus operandi is if you criticize this WH, if you suggest there is another point of view, you're attacked. You're smeared.

Two critical points to make:

(1) As the left continues to see the fault in their argument against Karl Rove, they continue to change the argument. Now it is "about the war in Iraq".

(2) When did discrediting a persons statements become a personal attack? Herein lies the true problem with the left. If you successfully show that their statements/arguments/etc. lack credibility or are factually inaccurate, they take it personal and accuse you of "attacking" and "smearing" them personally. Not one of these individuals have been personally attacked [ i.e. republicans are Evil < that's a personal attack], but their statements have been debated and proven false. That is what a discussion is meant to do, ferret out the truth.

So, what we learn today from the left's backpedaling on Karl Rove is that when you prove they are making inaccurate statements, they'll accuse you of "attacking" them and then change the subject. It is now "about the war in Iraq".


Update: If you want a great run-down on this story...check out Ace's post: Rovemania -- Not Genuine News Of Any Importance, But An Amazing Simulation - Must read!!

Posted by Trey Jackson at 02:50 PM
 
The difference between the "real" story and the "reported story is so wide, it makes you wonder how the MSM can keep thinking they can carry on in this fashion, especially with a relentless pack of Bloggers on their heels doing "quality control".

Did the CIA â Å“Outâ ? Valerie Plame?
What the mainstream media tells the court ... but won't tell you.

With each passing day, the manufactured "scandal" over the publication of Valerie Plame's relationship with the CIA establishes new depths of mainstream-media hypocrisy. A highly capable special prosecutor is probing the underlying facts, and it is appropriate to withhold legal judgments until he completes the investigation over which speculation runs so rampant. But it is not too early to assess the performance of the press. It's been appalling.

Is that hyperbole? You be the judge. Have you heard that the CIA is actually the source responsible for exposing Plame's covert status? Not Karl Rove, not Bob Novak, not the sinister administration cabal du jour of Fourth Estate fantasy, but the CIA itself? Had you heard that Plame's cover has actually been blown for a decade â ” i.e., since about seven years before Novak ever wrote a syllable about her? Had you heard not only that no crime was committed in the communication of information between Bush administration officials and Novak, but that no crime could have been committed because the governing law gives a person a complete defense if an agent's status has already been compromised by the government?

No, you say, you hadn't heard any of that. You heard that this was the crime of the century. A sort of Robert-Hanssen-meets-Watergate in which Rove is already cooked and we're all just waiting for the other shoe â ” or shoes â ” to drop on the den of corruption we know as the Bush administration. That, after all, is the inescapable impression from all the media coverage. So who is saying different?

The organized media, that's who. How come you haven't heard? Because they've decided not to tell you. Because they say one thing â ” one dark, transparently partisan thing â ” when they're talking to you in their news coverage, but they say something completely different when they think you're not listening.

You see, if you really want to know what the media think of the Plame case â ” if you want to discover what a comparative trifle they actually believe it to be â ” you need to close the paper and turn off the TV. You need, instead, to have a peek at what they write when they're talking to a court. It's a mind-bendingly different tale.

SPUN FROM THE START

My colleague Cliff May has already demonstrated the bankruptcy of the narrative the media relentlessly spouts for Bush-bashing public consumption: to wit, that Valerie Wilson, nee Plame, was identified as a covert CIA agent by the columnist Robert Novak, to whom she was compromised by an administration official. In fact, it appears Plame was first outed to the general public as a result of a consciously loaded and slyly hypothetical piece by the journalist David Corn. Corn's source appears to have been none other than Plame's own husband, former ambassador and current Democratic-party operative Joseph Wilson â ” that same pillar of national security rectitude whose notion of discretion, upon being dispatched by the CIA for a sensitive mission to Niger, was to write a highly public op-ed about his trip in the New York Times. This isn't news to the media; they have simply chosen not to report it.

The hypocrisy, though, only starts there. It turns out that the media believe Plame was outed long before either Novak or Corn took pen to paper. And not by an ambiguous confirmation from Rove or a nod-and-a-wink from Ambassador Hubby. No, the media think Plame was previously compromised by a disclosure from the intelligence community itself â ” although it may be questionable whether there was anything of her covert status left to salvage at that point, for reasons that will become clear momentarily.

This CIA disclosure, moreover, is said to have been made not to Americans at large but to Fidel Castro's anti-American regime in Cuba, whose palpable incentive would have been to "compromise[] every operation, every relationship, every network with which [Plame] had been associated in her entire career" â ” to borrow from the diatribe in which Wilson risibly compared his wife's straits to the national security catastrophes wrought by Aldrich Ames and Kim Philby.

THE MEDIA GOES TO COURT ... AND SINGS A DIFFERENT TUNE

Just four months ago, 36 news organizations confederated to file a friend-of-the-court brief in the U.S. Court of Appeals in Washington. At the time, Bush-bashing was (no doubt reluctantly) confined to an unusual backseat. The press had no choice â ” it was time to close ranks around two of its own, namely, the Times's Judith Miller and Time's Matthew Cooper, who were threatened with jail for defying grand jury subpoenas from the special prosecutor.

The media's brief, fairly short and extremely illuminating, is available here: http://www.bakerlaw.com/files/tbl_s10News/FileUpload44/10159/Amici%20Brief%20032305%20(Final).PDF. The Times, which is currently spearheading the campaign against Rove and the Bush administration, encouraged its submission. It was joined by a "who's who" of the current Plame stokers, including ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, AP, Newsweek, Reuters America, the Washington Post, the Tribune Company (which publishes the Los Angeles Times and the Baltimore Sun, among other papers), and the White House Correspondents (the organization which represents the White House press corps in its dealings with the executive branch).

The thrust of the brief was that reporters should not be held in contempt or forced to reveal their sources in the Plame investigation. Why? Because, the media organizations confidently asserted, no crime had been committed. Now, that is stunning enough given the baleful shroud the press has consciously cast over this story. Even more remarkable, though, were the key details these self-styled guardians of the public's right to know stressed as being of the utmost importance for the court to grasp â ” details those same guardians have assiduously suppressed from the coverage actually presented to the public.

Though you would not know it from watching the news, you learn from reading the news agencies' brief that the 1982 law prohibiting disclosure of undercover agents' identities explicitly sets forth a complete defense to this crime. It is contained in Section 422 (of Title 50, U.S. Code), and it provides that an accused leaker is in the clear if, sometime before the leak, "the United States ha publicly acknowledged or revealed" the covert agent's "intelligence relationship to the United States[.]"

As it happens, the media organizations informed the court that long before the Novak revelation (which, as noted above, did not disclose Plame's classified relationship with the CIA), Plame's cover was blown not once but twice. The media based this contention on reporting by the indefatigable Bill Gertz â ” an old-school, "let's find out what really happened" kind of journalist. Gertz's relevant article, published a year ago in the Washington Times, can be found here.

THE MEDIA TELLS THE COURT: PLAME'S COVER WAS BLOWN IN THE MID-1990s

As the media alleged to the judges (in Footnote 7, page 8, of their brief), Plame's identity as an undercover CIA officer was first disclosed to Russia in the mid-1990s by a spy in Moscow. Of course, the press and its attorneys were smart enough not to argue that such a disclosure would trigger the defense prescribed in Section 422 because it was evidently made by a foreign-intelligence operative, not by a U.S. agency as the statute literally requires.

But neither did they mention the incident idly. For if, as he has famously suggested, President Bush has peered into the soul of Vladimir Putin, what he has no doubt seen is the thriving spirit of the KGB, of which the Russian president was a hardcore agent. The Kremlin still spies on the United States. It remains in the business of compromising U.S. intelligence operations.

Thus, the media's purpose in highlighting this incident is blatant: If Plame was outed to the former Soviet Union a decade ago, there can have been little, if anything, left of actual intelligence value in her "every operation, every relationship, every network" by the time anyone spoke with Novak (or, of course, Corn).

THE CIA OUTS PLAME TO FIDEL CASTRO

Of greater moment to the criminal investigation is the second disclosure urged by the media organizations on the court. They don't place a precise date on this one, but inform the judges that it was "more recent" than the Russian outing but "prior to Novak's publication."

And it is priceless. The press informs the judges that the CIA itself "inadvertently" compromised Plame by not taking appropriate measures to safeguard classified documents that the Agency routed to the Swiss embassy in Havana. In the Washington Times article â ” you remember, the one the press hypes when it reports to the federal court but not when it reports to consumers of its news coverage â ” Gertz elaborates that "[t]he documents were supposed to be sealed from the Cuban government, but [unidentified U.S.] intelligence officials said the Cubans read the classified material and learned the secrets contained in them."

Thus, the same media now stampeding on Rove has told a federal court that, to the contrary, they believe the CIA itself blew Plame's cover before Rove or anyone else in the Bush administration ever spoke to Novak about her. Of course, they don't contend the CIA did it on purpose or with malice. But neither did Rove â ” who, unlike the CIA, appears neither to have known about nor disclosed Plame's classified status. Yet, although the Times and its cohort have a bull's eye on Rove's back, they are breathtakingly silent about an apparent CIA embarrassment â ” one that seems to be just the type of juicy story they routinely covet.

A COMPLETE DEFENSE?

The defense in Section 422 requires that the revelation by the United States have been done "publicly." At least one U.S. official who spoke to Gertz speculated that because the Havana snafu was not "publicized" â ” i.e., because the classified information about Plame was mistakenly communicated to Cuba rather than broadcast to the general public â ” it would not available as a defense to whomever spoke with Novak. But that seems clearly wrong.

First, the theory under which the media have gleefully pursued Rove, among other Bush officials, holds that if a disclosure offense was committed here it was complete at the moment the leak was made to Novak. Whether Novak then proceeded to report the leak to the general public is beside the point â ” the violation supposedly lies in identifying Plame to Novak. (Indeed, it has frequently been observed that Judy Miller of the Times is in contempt for protecting one or more sources even though she never wrote an article about Plame.)

Perhaps more significantly, the whole point of discouraging public disclosure of covert agents is to prevent America's enemies from degrading our national security. It is not, after all, the public we are worried about. Rather, it is the likes of Fidel Castro and his regime who pose a threat to Valerie Plame and her network of U.S. intelligence relationships. The government must still be said to have "publicized" the classified relationship â ” i.e., to have blown the cover of an intelligence agent â ” if it leaves out the middleman by communicating directly with an enemy government rather than indirectly through a media outlet.

LINGERING QUESTIONS

All this raises several readily apparent questions. We know that at the time of the Novak and Corn articles, Plame was not serving as an intelligence agent outside the United States. Instead, she had for years been working, for all to see, at CIA headquarters in Langley. Did her assignment to headquarters have anything to do with her effectiveness as a covert agent having already been nullified by disclosure to the Russians and the Cubans â ” and to whomever else the Russians and Cubans could be expected to tell if they thought it harmful to American interests or advantageous to their own?

If Plame's cover was blown, as Gertz reports, how much did Plame know about that? It's likely that she would have been fully apprised â ” after all, as we have been told repeatedly in recent weeks, the personal security of a covert agent and her family can be a major concern when secrecy is pierced. Assuming she knew, did her husband, Wilson, also know? At the time he was ludicrously comparing the Novak article to the Ames and Philby debacles, did he actually have reason to believe his wife had been compromised years earlier?

And could the possibility that Plame's cover has long been blown explain why the CIA was unconcerned about assigning a one-time covert agent to a job that had her walking in and out of CIA headquarters every day? Could it explain why the Wilsons were sufficiently indiscrete to pose in Vanity Fair, and, indeed, to permit Joseph Wilson to pen a highly public op-ed regarding a sensitive mission to which his wife â ” the covert agent â ” energetically advocated his assignment? Did they fail to take commonsense precautions because they knew there really was nothing left to protect?

We'd probably know the answers to these and other questions by now if the media had given a tenth of the effort spent manufacturing a scandal to reporting professionally on the underlying facts. And if they deigned to share with their readers and viewers all the news that's fit to print ... in a brief to a federal court.

â ” Andrew C. McCarthy, a former federal prosecutor, is a senior fellow at the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies.
 
http://www.nationalreview.com/mccarthy/mccarthy200507180801.asp
 
I don't see how any of the above revelations absolve Karl Rove of his crime, namely, publicly confirming the status/identity of a covert operative while acting in the capacity of a senior "in the know" type.The minute Karl Rove confirmed it, it is now "leaked".  Whether the Russians or the Cubans or Neptunians knew of Plame's background beforehand  is irrelevent. For example, while most people probably know that "Delta Force" exists, if some general came out and confirmed it's existence he is still making a pretty big booboo. (Assuming that this is still the status quo WRT to that particular unit. I don't know if it has changed yet, I haven't been keeping it real with all the video game trivia, but you see what I mean)

I'll admit that I haven't been following this case too closely. Given my views on Bush and the Iraq War, I already know what kind of guy Karl Rove is, and I'm not sure what he could possibly do to become MORE of a scumbag, maybe he's guilty, maybe not, but like Saddam Hussein, the world would definetly be a better place if he were to quit politics.

So meh......

 
The point of course, is there was no crime comitted, but like the "no ties to terrorism" story the MSM also likes to beat the drum for, anything which remotely underminess the premise of the "story" is ignored or sent to the memory hole. This might not matter if you are watching a movie and the writers and directors leave big holes in the storyline, but this isn't a movie, and we should not be expected to suspend disbelief in matters which could involve life and death for all of us.
 
The point of course, is there was no crime comitted


??? OOOOOookay...... A lot of rather knowledgable legal people seem to be disagreeing with you. Are you saying the leaked outing of a covert CIA operative is not a crime? It seems the crux of the issue right now is not whether there was a crime, but whether it was Rove who did it, and if so, whether he was acting independently or under direct orders from Bush.

which remotely underminess the premise of the "story" is ignored or sent to the memory hole.

Like what? Please explain to me how any of the above clippings undermine the premise of the story? Maybe I am just confused by the legalese, but all your articles are essentially claiming that because the Russians (or whatever) probably knew Plame's identity years before, Rove (or whoever did it) is innocent because "hey everyone knows already!". That is not the way this stuff works
 
The crux of the articles is that :

a. She was not a covert agent, and had not been for at least a decade, and

b. Depending on which version of events you are looking at, she was "outed" by various people and journalists prior to this story breaking.

Since you or I could park near the front gate at Langley and watch whoever drives in and out (and I suspect there is a line up of cars with various Russan, Chinese, North Korean, Iranian etc. nationals doing just that), her status as an analyst isnt very "secret" either.

In fact her access to important information was so important that when the story broke, the CIA did....nothing.

Hence no crime, no (real) story, and another self inflicted wound on the credibility of the MSM.
 
What exactly did Rove say?  Did it amount to "I confirm to be true that which you heard", or "I heard that rumour"?  There's a difference.
 
He said Wilson's wife (didn't mention her by name) asked him to go to Africa.

I'd like to know what the deal is with Novak the ass clown that actually put it in print.  The special prosector has not tipped his hand yet and it sounds like there is a great deal of info not yet said.
 
a. She was not a covert agent, and had not been for at least a decade, and


Yes she was. Again, just because the CIA THINKS that the Russians might have known that Plame was an operative does not mean that it's OK for everyone who DOES know to start blabbering about it on the record.

Since you or I could park near the front gate at Langley and watch whoever drives in and out (and I suspect there is a line up of cars with various Russan, Chinese, North Korean, Iranian etc. nationals doing just that), her status as an analyst isnt very "secret" either.

Well no, because the status of "analyst" is not meant to be a secret, but "operative" is. Plame was an "operative", and as such would generally not be driving in and out of Langley and whatnot. her "civvy" job, so to speak, was that of an "energy analyst" for a front company. All the front company's activities, including any networking that Plame may have done,  would have been in full public view. It was her status of an "operative" that was the secret. 


The crux of the issue, according to the world except Bill Gertz and the Loonie Moonie Times, is this:

What exactly did Rove say?  Did it amount to "I confirm to be true that which you heard", or "I heard that rumour"?  There's a difference.
(Well, we already know that SOMEONE did confirm it, but not who).

To be perfectly accurate, if Rove(assuming that it was him) was not aware of the status of Plame at the time of the leak, then he has not committed a crime, although he has still "leaked" information. As seen in Bush's backpeddling in his "I will fire anyone who leakes information" speech.

I don't think there is any evidence to date that Rove did say one thing or the other, but since he has already denied it under oath, he would have perjured himself if evidence does surface.

I am mystified as to why any of you are taking the time to defend this guy, other than some kind of devilish admiration for his unethical and underhanded politics, or blind love for Bush & co. 
 
It matters a great deal exactly what Rove said.  Suppose Rove simply heard about Plame's suggestion from someone else.  Then he is free to confirm that he heard the rumour to anyone else careless enough to accept that answer, thereby giving the questioner just enough rope to hang himself.  The obvious follow-up question was "Do you mean you heard it, or do you mean you confirm the suggestion was made?"

>I am mystified as to why any of you are taking the time to defend this guy, other than some kind of devilish admiration for his unethical and underhanded politics, or blind love for Bush & co.

There is at least one other possibility: the satisfaction of watching media hacks and political operators and apologists twist in the wind because they couldn't be bothered to a) get the facts straight; b) refrain from a witch hunt.  This whole affair is starting to have a "fake-but-accurate-memo" odour.  The scent of Rove in their nostrils has driven some people quite past the edge of reason.
 
bothered to a) get the facts straight; b) refrain from a witch hunt.  This whole affair is starting to have a "fake-but-accurate-memo" odour.

Yeah, I guess being a turd blossom will do that eh?
 
Thanks to S_Baker for the additional input.

My take on the story is simply this: who should you believe? The MSM is in court with a 40 page brief crafted by the finest lawyers money can buy essentially arguing that the "story" doesn't exist. Why are they telling the US Attorney something pointing 1800 to the one they broadcast on the news?

Here is the .pdf file of the amicus brief filed by news organizations arguing that the elements of the Intelligence Identities Protection Act are not present in this case.  The stock rebuttal is, the CIA filed a criminal referral and the Special Counsel is clearly working on something.  However, the CIA gets trounced on p. 35 of the .pdf file - their standard referral just doesn't address the key points.
http://www.bakerlaw.com/files/tbl_s10News/FileUpload44/10159/Amici%20Brief%20032305%20(Final).PDF

The other "Dog that doesn't bark in the night" is the CIA. Their reaction to the supposed outing was to do nothing but a bit of CYA. If Plame was a covert operator, there should have been a flurry of activity in an attempt to protect her, silence Wilson, salvage anything possible from the networks she had established and run, and sever the remainder to protect other networks. The pair of them posing for the cover of "Vanity Fair" doesn't seem to square with that sort of reaction.

This "story" increasingly resembles such other journalistic masterpieces as the "Texas Air National Guard" memos (crude forgeries), and various attempts to link Administration members with such stories as the Iraqi prisoner abuse (revealed to be a shift of rouge MPs operating beyond the ROEs when they thought they wouldn't be caught), Haliberton's "Profiteering" (note to shareholders, the company is loosing money), allegations that US forces were targeting journalists, or even the "rumors" that the VP was going to be dumped prior to the last election. In every case, the MSM was revealed to have essentially made up the stories and allowed them to run (and quite prominently) in order to damage a sitting administration. When the facts come out (and they do, thanks to the Blogosphere), the MSM looks ever more incompetent and their credibility erodes even faster.

Since people need factual evidence to make decisions, the increasing unreliability of the MSM is hurting democracy and the ability of the public to make informed decisions. The blogosphere is quite new, and may not be able to pick up the slack for some time to come.
 
it seems that you are quite an expert at the US national intelligence system

Not at all, I was simply pointing out an apparent logical fallacy in a_majoor's article. I am far from an expert on either US national intelligence or this matter in particular.

There is a real big difference between an "Operator" and a desk jockey analyst.  The distinction is as great as the pile an elephant leaves behind and what a common house flies does.

That is what I understand, yes.

So in short, I have a hard time believing a "pretend" CIA operator which is actually a desk analyst, (not like Jack Ryan) who sent her husband on a junket to Niger to collect intelligence is really worth all the effort and intrigue she seems to garner. 

I don't understand. Are you saying that Plame was not an "operator"?

Considering my basic branch in the US Army is Military Intelligence I feel I have a little experience with what seems to consume this thread.

More than I do. I apprieciate you taking the time to set me straight. I hate to be wrong or misinformed.

Their seems to be a bait an switch, sounds to me like this desk jockey broke travel regulations by recommending her husband collect INTEL in Niger while sitting around a hotel pool rather than Rove outing her.

I see, so you are saying, then, that:

1) Plame was not an Operator.

2) Travel regulations do not permit ambassadors to engage in "Intel collecting"

3) So Plame was in violation of said regs when she recommended Wilson for the job in Niger.

Am I correct? I'll freely admitt that I don't quite understand the last part.
 
This "story" increasingly resembles such other journalistic masterpieces as the "Texas Air National Guard" memos (crude forgeries), and various attempts to link Administration members with such stories as the Iraqi prisoner abuse (revealed to be a shift of rouge MPs operating beyond the ROEs when they thought they wouldn't be caught), Haliberton's "Profiteering" (note to shareholders, the company is loosing money), allegations that US forces were targeting journalists, or even the "rumors" that the VP was going to be dumped prior to the last election. In every case, the MSM was revealed to have essentially made up the stories and allowed them to run (and quite prominently) in order to damage a sitting administration. When the facts come out (and they do, thanks to the Blogosphere), the MSM looks ever more incompetent and their credibility erodes even faster.

Good god, not the "liberal media" again. This coming from the guy who posts articles every other day from such pinnacles of journalistic integrity such as Mark Steyn and The Washington Times.

See, the funny thing about the main stream Media is that it's main stream, so it as a whole  doesn't have a political agenda, unlike publications like The Washington Times. Because the real world is almost never black and white,  it's difficult for ideologues and bigots  to reconcile happennings in the real world with  their perfect little ideological la-la land. Crying about  the dirty liberal/conservative "mainstream media" and screaming how you're the only one who knows the truth and how the rest of the world just doesn't understand is a sure sign of tin-foil hattery.



Well gents, if you're utterly convinced that the Mainstream media is some vast liberal consipracy, and you only trust articles in The Washington Times and THe Weekly Standard, then I'm afraid we shall just have to agree to disagree. Seeing how the events of the last 8 years have turned out, it doesn't look like the damn liberal media is doing a very good job, does it?
 
I can say with about 99.9% assurance Plame is not an operator....reminds me of attending a course at DIA and having the instructor (basic computer instructor - GS-11) tell us about her chance meeting of an East german on her way to Hawaii.  I laughed my butt off when I heard that she was worried about her connection with DIA and that the East German was somehow trying to co-opt her.  In other words she had the Walter Middy syndrome....IMHO, something Plame is suffering from.

Hmm, I see, So the people in the following <a href=http://mediamatters.org/items/200507070001>excerpt:</a>

Multiple press outlets reported that Plame was an undercover CIA operative at the time. Citing "intelligence officials," Newsday first reported on July 22, 2003, that prior to her exposure, Plame worked for the CIA on weapons of mass destruction issues in an "undercover capacity." An October 11, 2003, Knight Ridder article reported that Plame operated under "nonofficial cover," posing as an analyst at a CIA-created shell company, Brewster-Jennings & Associates. An October 13, 2003, Time article confirmed that Plame was involved in tracking weapons of mass destruction.

An October 1, 2003, Washington Post article also quoted intelligence officials confirming Plame's undercover status with the CIA:

    Plame currently is an analyst at the CIA. But, intelligence officials said, she previously served overseas in a clandestine capacity, which means her name is kept classified to protect her previous contacts and operations, and her ability to work again undercover overseas.

And <a href=http://www.boston.com/business/globe/articles/2003/10/10/apparent_cia_front_didnt_offer_much_cover/>this one:</a>

The CIA may have thought so too. Valerie Plame, an undercover CIA operative once listed as her employer Brewster Jennings & Associates. A company by that name has a listed address but no visible presence at the 21-story office tower.....

...Former intelligence officials confirmed Plame's cover was an invention and that she used other false identities and affiliations when working overseas. "All it was was a telephone and a post office box," said one former intelligence official who asked not to be identified. "When she was abroad she had a more viable cover."

...Vince Cannistraro, the CIA's former counterterrorism chief, said that when operating undercover outside the United States, Plame would have had a real job with a more legitimate company. The Boston company "is not an indicator of what she did overseas," he said.

are all mistaken then?

I think it has something to do with good government and authorizing trips (if indeed she did) of a spouse on official duty.  As for "EX-ambassadors" conducting INTEL, from what I understand he didn't do anything.  Or then maybe he did?

That makes sense, and it seems to be one of the points of contention is it not? The original Novak article that started this thing was alleging that Plame may have had a role in the selection of Wilson for the job, and as such would be considered unprofessional conduct, right?
 
<a href=http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-phelps0722,0,5697497,print.story>After some more digging:</a>

....A senior intelligence official confirmed that Plame was a Directorate of Operations undercover officer who worked "alongside" the operations officers who asked her husband to travel to Niger.

But he said she did not recommend her husband to undertake the Niger assignment. "They [the officers who did ask Wilson to check the uranium story] were aware of who she was married to, which is not surprising," he said. "There are people elsewhere in government who are trying to make her look like she was the one who was cooking this up, for some reason," he said. "I can't figure out what it could be."

"We paid his [Wilson's] air fare. But to go to Niger is not exactly a benefit. Most people you'd have to pay big bucks to go there," the senior intelligence official said. Wilson said he was reimbursed only for expenses.


 
<a href=http://talkingpointsmemo.com/docs/intel.officers.letter.pdf>AN OPEN STATEMENT TO THE LEADERS OF THE UNITED STATES HOUSE OF
REPRESENTATIVES AND THE SENATE.</a>

We, the undersigned former U.S. intelligence officers are concerned with the
tone and substance of the public debate over the ongoing Department of
Justice investigation into who leaked the name of Valerie Plame, wife of
former U.S. Ambassador Joseph Wilson IV, to syndicated columnist Robert
Novak and other members of the media, which exposed her status as an
undercover CIA officer. The disclosure of Ms. Plame's name was a shameful
event in American history and, in our professional judgment, may have
damaged U.S. national security and poses a threat to the ability of U.S.
intelligence gathering using human sources.

....The Republican National Committee has circulated talking points to
supporters to use as part of a coordinated strategy to discredit Ambassador
Joseph Wilson and his wife. As part of this campaign a common theme is
the idea that Ambassador Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame was not undercover
and deserved no protection. The following are four recent examples of this
â Å“talking pointâ ?:
Michael Medved stated on Larry King Live on July 12, 2005, â Å“And let's
be honest about this. Mrs. Plame, Mrs. Wilson, had a desk job
at Langley. She went back and forth every single day.â ?
Victoria Toensing stated on a Fox News program with John Gibson on
July 12, 2005 that, â Å“Well, they weren't taking affirmative
measures to protect that identity. They gave her a desk job in
Langley. You don't really have somebody deep undercover
going back and forth to Langley, where people can see them.â ?
Ed Rodgers, Washington Lobbyist and former Republican official, said
on July 13, 2005 on the Newshour with Jim Lehrer, â Å“And also I think
it is now a matter of established fact that Mrs. Plame was not a
protected covert agent, and I don't think there's any
meaningful investigation about that.â ?
House majority whip Roy Blunt (R, Mo), on Face the Nation, July 17,
2005, â Å“It certainly wouldn't be the first time that the CIA might
have been overzealous in sort of maintaining the kind of topsecret
definition on things longer than they needed to. You
know, this was a job that the ambassador's wife had that she
went to every day. It was a desk job. I think many people in
Washington understood that her employment was at the CIA,
and she went to that office every day.â ?
These comments reveal an astonishing ignorance of the intelligence
community and the role of cover. The fact is that there are thousands of
U.S. intelligence officers who â Å“work at a deskâ ? in the Washington, D.C. area
every day who are undercover. Some have official cover, and some have
non-official cover. Both classes of cover must and should be protected.


...We are not lawyers and are not qualified to determine whether the leakers
technically violated the 1982 Intelligence Identities Protection Act. However,
we are confident that Valerie Plame was working in a cover status
and that
our nation's leaders, regardless of political party, have a duty to protect all
intelligence officers.
 
AHA! Now we know the truth, it's all a Repuplican conspiracy. Republican/right wing conspiracies exist but Democrat/left wing conspiricies don't I guess.

If you don't believe that the leftist viewpoint is over represented in mainstream media could it be possible it's because you are a leftist yourself, Brit? Just a thought.

P.S. I'm going to wait until the courts are finished with this case before I decide.
 
If you don't believe that the leftist viewpoint is over represented in mainstream media could it be possible it's because you are a leftist yourself, Brit? Just a thought.

It is more possible that the leftist vewpoint ISN'T over represented in the mainstream media, and that conservatives like to have a nice fallback excuse for why they're WRONG, but I suppose me being a leftist won't help convince you.
 
Britney Spears said:
Good god, not the "liberal media" again. This coming from the guy who posts articles every other day from such pinnacles of journalistic integrity such as Mark Steyn and The Washington Times.

Well gents, if you're utterly convinced that the Mainstream media is some vast liberal consipracy, and you only trust articles in The Washington Times and THe Weekly Standard, then I'm afraid we shall just have to agree to disagree. Seeing how the events of the last 8 years have turned out, it doesn't look like the darn liberal media is doing a very good job, does it?

If you mean the Liberal media wasn't able to derail the administration, then no, they havn't done a good job.

As an investor, I am concerned about the behavior of the media, since they provide the "facts" which people make decisions on. My clippings files are mostly about economics (as per my outside interests), and it is quite scary to see headlines decrying "Economic Mistakes"  or words to that effect, only to backtrack and see very similar economic figures and indicators being touted as "triumphs" of the  Clinton Administration.

This naturally tweaks my interest, and so contradictions and misrepresentations about political subjects become more in focus as well since politics can influence the economy. As a BTW, although Wilson made a big deal about there being no evidence for Iraqi attempts to purchase yellowcake, British intellligence has never retracted or recanted from that report which launched the entire affair in the first place, another fact that somehow isn't worth reporting on.....unless of course you want to leave certain impressions in people's minds.
 
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