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USN officer chooses "other than honourable discharge" over Iraq duty

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Yet another USN officer in trouble. While I am not yet in the military, IMO, she shirked her duty by refusing to deploy in spite of an oath she swore to uphold, even if she was not qualified/prepared for her new Iraq assignment, as the article stated.

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http://www.military.com/news/article/a-navy-lieutenant-no-more.html?wh=wh

A Navy Lieutenant No More

"In a rare instance involving a commissioned officer, Weiner was arrested and given a choice between a court-martial or less-than-honorable discharge after refusing to serve in Iraq."

Complete Text Of Story:April 19, 2008
Seattle Post-Intelligencer

EVERETT - Eleven years ago, Sabrina M. Weiner graduated as a valedictorian at Kamiak High School near Everett. She was a National Merit Scholar, aiming for a bright future after earning a Navy ROTC scholarship to Stanford University.

Two months ago, Weiner, 27, forfeited her Navy career after seven years on active and reserve duty, during which she rose to the rank of lieutenant.

In a rare instance involving a commissioned officer, Weiner was arrested and given a choice between a court-martial or less-than-honorable discharge after refusing to serve in Iraq.

Speaking publicly for the first time about it, Weiner says she was not against the war but the so-called "individual augmentee" program. In the past several years, that program has sent nearly 60,000 sailors from ships and bases to augment Army and Marine ground forces in Iraq and Afghanistan. "It is not an against-the-war argument but a people-accountability argument," Weiner says. "I was proud to say I was a Navy officer. My problem is the way they are using us as IAs. It minimizes the job and training we do for the Navy."

It cannibalizes the Navy -- and Air Force -- to cover up a shortage of Army and Marine troops to fight the wars, she argues.

For her convictions, she was jailed, flown across the nation in shackles and threatened with court-martial. Today she is scraping by in Everett, tutoring high school kids in math and enrolled in graduate studies at the Alden March Bioethics Institute based at the Albany Medical College in New York.

"I'm not another Watada," she cautions, referring to the Fort Lewis Army active duty lieutenant, Ehren Watada. In 2006, Watada refused to accompany his Stryker Brigade to combat duty in Iraq, contending that the war is immoral and unconstitutional.

Unlike Watada, whose case remains active after moving from a military to a federal court last year, Weiner's was resolved within a month in February. And unlike the Army lieutenant, Weiner has not become an anti-war cause for Hollywood celebrities and peace activists.

Navy officials declined to discuss Weiner's case, saying they were unfamiliar with it.

According to the Navy Department, 7,063 active and 5,050 reserve sailors are serving as individual augmentees, not only in Iraq and Afghanistan but also in the Horn of Africa and other locations. They include 3,145 active-duty and reserve officers and more than 9,000 active-duty and reserve enlisted men and women. The Defense Department and top Navy officials have acknowledged that the policy has created hardships for sailors and their families. The Navy has altered the program after listening to complaints from sailors, and invites more input, though it says the program is needed and will remain in place for some time to come.

Assignments are voluntary and involuntary, and reviews from sailors are mixed. Active- and reserve-duty sailors, who declined to be named, cited problems with the program to the Seattle P-I. They included a ship driver from San Diego, a sailor from Eastern Washington and a Navy aviator.

The aviator contacted his congressman after he was suddenly and involuntarily called up to serve alone with ground forces in Iraq, only a few months after returning home to his young family from a full deployment with his squadron flying missions in the war zone.

The individual augmentee jobs typically include public works and reconstruction; training local forces in Afghanistan; medical care; protecting U.S. bases; interpreting laws, especially concerning contractor obligations; forging closer ties with communities in Afghanistan; handling detainees; and administrative work.

Weiner got a call before Christmas that she would soon be called up. She says her job in Iraq was to have been commerce officer, providing money to local Iraqi leaders.

That gave her pause, not only because she was not trained for the job, but also because she is of Japanese, Korean and Jewish ancestry.

"They were going to have me negotiate money transactions with Iraqi warlords. A woman of Jewish and East Asian descent to try to talk to men about money in a country where women aren't always allowed to handle money," Weiner says.

Weiner's record and fitness reports before she was called up to IA duty indicate anything but a shrinking violet. She had earned two overseas service ribbons, commendation and achievement medals and was part of a Meritorious Unit Commendation.

After graduating from Stanford in 2001, Weiner started her career aboard the amphibious assault ship USS Essex, a vessel second in size only to aircraft carriers and which transports Marine landing forces. She was serving overseas during the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks.

She received glowing fitness reports:

"Assigned to arduous sea duty ... ," her commander wrote in one review. "Outstanding officer and Navy professional! On the fast track! Assign only to the most challenging jobs!"

She left active duty in August 2004, receiving high marks in her final evaluation in all categories but professional expertise.

By 2005, Weiner as a reservist worked as a research liaison officer at the prestigious Office of Naval Research. Her detachment was responsible for managing research in underwater unmanned vehicles and weaponry. She also served as the unit's public information officer. Her fitness reports continued to average "above standards" or "greatly exceeds standards." A commander called her "an excellent officer" and "a highly motivated self-starter."

Her last good report was November 2007, this time newly assigned to a joint service unit of the Selective Service System in New Orleans.

"She is most strongly recommended for promotion and greater responsibility in the Naval Reserve," her commander wrote.

It all unraveled on Jan. 9 when she received orders to be called up.

She agonized over the policy and her own convictions, readiness and obligations as an officer. The job seemed to her a random call for a warm body.

"I was not afraid of dying; I was afraid of acting out of weakness," she said. "It would have been easier to just go along with it." Weiner was to report Jan. 28. She was depressed, and she tried to call local Navy lawyers for advice. "I was told they could do nothing because I'm a reservist" with her headquarters in New Orleans, she said.

She turned to GI Rights hot line, a nonprofit organization at objector.net offers legal help to servicemen and women, especially to those refusing to go to war.

Weiner found a lawyer and filed a request for personal hardship. In a conference call, her commanding offer was angry at her, she said. "I never got to tell them why I was refusing to deploy," she said. He ordered her report to New Orleans.

Weiner said she refused to report while her request for exemption was in the pipeline. Counselors and lawyers seemed unfamiliar with how to handle officers refusing to report, having handled mostly Army enlisted personnel.

A Navy official tried to reach her at her parents' home. Weiner was told to report voluntarily or risk arrest and being transported in shackles.

"My dad said, 'We support you. They are trying to send you to an Army position in Iraq. I understand.' "

Weiner put her jobs and a graduate program in bioethics on hold. She said she was preparing to pack for New Orleans on the night Everett police arrived at her door.

Weiner said she was booked and strip searched and did nothing to resist, and credits jail and military authorities who handled her arrest with "acting very professionally." Though friends and the GI Rights people knew of her situation, she wanted no action or protest. " I wanted to know what the Navy will do." Military police took over and escorted her in shackles, walking to help her conceal them and avoid attention through the airports from Seattle and in New Orleans. "The staff was kind and wonderful to me," she said.

She was flown to New Orleans on a Friday night, and the Navy was ready for her: Face detention, then a court-martial or accept an other-than-honorable discharge, a separation from the service in a middle ground, ranking below honorable and general discharges but above bad conduct and dishonorable discharges.

Weiner said she mulled how much it might affect her later life. Wanting to teach and write after graduate school, she opted for the discharge. She was flown home the next day. Her final fitness report dated Feb. 20, 2008, sharply contrasts her earlier ones.

"Lt. Weiner's failure to report ... was counter to good order and discipline, negatively affected the command climate and represents a failure to live up to the Navy core values of honor, courage and commitment. Lt. Weiner effectively put her personal desires above the needs of the Navy team and the nation. ... Lt. Weiner is most strongly recommended for separation from the Navy."

The episode still makes her emotional both in what she gave up and for the support she has received. Weiner feels she showed honor, courage and commitment. She wants to continue to serve her community, perhaps to apply her studies in bioethics to ensuring the safety of the food we eat.

"I want people to know about IAs, but there's a good side," she says.
 
It is better for the Navy that this individual is now a civilian. She made a choice that cost her some valuable veterans benefits.
 
Reminds me of horror stories I've heard about clerk and cook NCOs teaching Infantry soldiers due to a shortage of instructors.

Different of course but there are some similarities.

Maybe she wasn't trained qualified  or capable of performing in the position she was assigned.  As a grunt I'd be pretty pissed off if my platoon commander in Iraq was a clerk.

The aviator contacted his congressman after he was suddenly and involuntarily called up to serve alone with ground forces in Iraq, only a few months after returning home to his young family from a full deployment with his squadron flying missions in the war zone.
In this case I'd be pretty pissed off too.
Would I want to spend 6 months driving around a shit sucker truck? Hell no.

Piper you're an officer cadet. Your going after your commisision for whatever reason. How would you feel if they employed you did all that school and hard work and were employed as something completely out of your field?
"You're an officer? So your good with paper work? You can deply overseas and be incarge of filling out leave passes"

I'm not saying she's in the right and I don't now the details of the story but I can in a small way understand where she's coming from.
 
Flawed Design said:
Maybe she wasn't trained qualified  or capable of performing in the position she was assigned.  As a grunt I'd be pretty pissed off if my platoon commander in Iraq was a clerk.

I'm not saying she's in the right and I don't now the details of the story but I can in a small way understand where she's coming from.

She didn't make comments of  that nature in the article ...

"They were going to have me negotiate money transactions with Iraqi warlords. A woman of Jewish and East Asian descent to try to talk to men about money in a country where women aren't always allowed to handle money," Weiner says."
 
Yrys said:
She didn't make comments of  that nature in the article ...

Fair enough.
I've been misquoted in interviews and I've had media report that my section and I were opening fire on civilians after a suicide bomber hit us.
Media is tricky :)

Here is a question.  If an officer is placed in a position they feel they are unprepared to perform and believe their lack of training will result in injured or dead people under their command, is it unethical of them to shut up and carry on? Or should they  refuse?  (that's not exactly related to this situation mind you just a question in general)
 
The way I interpret it, she was more fearful of dealing with the locals and doling out cash because of their localized beliefs, and her being of Asian and Jewish descent as well as a woman.

I dont think she should have refused to go, but I do think that she should have requested another job citing her concerns. From the story, it seems that the navy was pretty heavy handed.
 
Piper said:
Would you be annoyed if you deployed to Afghanistan and were, say, working D&S for the NSE and were under the command of a Log officer?

I would certainly be if said Log Officer, out of inexperience, gave an order that endangered members members of said D&S unit while performing there duties.

This is getting a little off track though.
 
The needs of the service is what governs assignments. We dont very often get to turn down one assignment for another without consequences. I turned down an assignment offer and retired. Thats just the way it is. Military life isnt like civie street. Maybe your boss wants to send you to Halifax but you dont want to leave Torono your civie boss cant make you go,but your military boss can or you quit.
 
Im wondering how this would have been handled in the Canadian Armed Forces.

Anyone with experience have input?
 
RTaylor said:
Im wondering how this would have been handled in the Canadian Armed Forces.

Anyone with experience have input?

We've got loggies doing patrols around KAF.

We've got Navy types doing EOD outside the wire. A quick search of this site will reveal those actualities in numerous threads.

Canada IS already there.

Actually, their description of the positions and work for IAs in Iraq --- sounds essentially the same as our PRTs etc. Augmentees. Many different trades -- numerous uniform colours.

Oddly enough (I may have missed it), I don't remember that article ever coming out and saying exactly what trade she was. But, I get the feeling it's something akin to what we call "purple" in these parts. Where uniform colour really doesn't matter --- the job differs little from element to element. Different parts, exact same paperwork. I think her big beef was "I'm Navy, they're Army --- why should I have to serve with them?" She certainly talks (and complains) about that a lot more than she talks about being a "banker."

The only thing I see mentioned is "reasearch liaison officer" <--- sounds like logistics & admin to me. Exactly the same category "banker" would fall into.
 
Thanks Vern, I remember the Navy divers being sent to help the Combat Engineers search for and diffuse IEDs and hte like, I wasnt aware that other navy types were there also. I kind of thought that other trades would be doing other things also.

My question was a bit vague, I was wondering how an officer in Canada would be handled if they refused to take their tasking to go overseas and work in a role not quite what their trade is (like the American Naval officer in the original post)

But I guess that's why we do Basic...because we're Soldiers first!
 
RTaylor said:
My question was a bit vague, I was wondering how an officer in Canada would be handled if they refused to take their tasking to go overseas and work in a role not quite what their trade is (like the American Naval officer in the original post)

There would be a significant difference with a Canadian officer being placed in similar circumstances.  According to the article, Ex-Lt Weiner was a reservist.  It seems that she had completed her period of obligatory active duty that paid back her ROTC scholarship and stayed on reserve status; whether that reserve status was obligatory or not is unclear.  It is also unclear whether she was on full time service at the time of her orders for overseas service. 
. . . She left active duty in August 2004.
. . . got a call before Christmas that she would soon be called up . . .
. . . put her jobs and a graduate program in bioethics on hold.

If it had been a Canadian officer in the same circumstances, deploying overseas (either in trade or not) would be completely voluntary.  Reservists in the United States military are a horse of a different colour.  They are subject to call up for active duty at any time and depending on their terms of service and status (including retirement) they may not have a choice in separating from the reserves. 

Years ago I was acquainted with some individual US reservists who were also involuntarily activated.  They all went (sort of) quietly.  One was a veterinarian I met while on course in Texas.  He was a US Army reservist, who had done active duty and transfered to the reserves because he was not given an offer to stay active duty when his committment was done.  After being out for a few years he was involuntarily activated because the Army had a requirement for a "large animal specialist" that they could not fill from within the active duty ranks.  That was his specialty.  So he had to close up his private practise and put on a uniform again.  Wasn't too pleased. 

Another was a USAF nurse who I met during Desert Storm.  Because she had taken advantage of a program called "Palace Chase (?)" she had to do X years in the reserve following her active duty committment.  When her reserve unit was activated for Desert Sheild, she had less than two weeks remaining on her obligation.  By the time her unit got geared up to move overseas, she would have been out one month.  However it worked out, when they got back from overseas, her reserve committment was extended an additional year (without her consent). 

Back during Desert Shield/Storm the US Army had a shortage of Physician Assistants (PA).  They reactivated a large number of retired reservists.  In the US military, when someone retires after 20+ years they do not receive an annuity (or pension) in the same manner as Canadians.  It technically is "retired pay" and recipients are considered subject to recall to active duty.  During the course of that fracas one of these re-activated PAs had occasion (as a customer) to come through the ASF where I was working.  We got to talking.  He was 61 years old (had been 60 when re-activated); he had retired from active duty 12 years previously; he had not maintained any connection with the military other than working as a PA in a VA hospital; he had been pipelined down to an infantry battalion that was short a PA (the last time he had been in an infantry battalion had been during Vietnam; and, he had a heart attack in the desert the day following his 61st birthday and the start of the ground campaign.
 
A friend of mine is an Air Force, Reservist, Logistics officer serving as a senior member of one of the OMLTs...as others have said, we're already [partially] there.  To be clear, though, he did volunteer, and he could not have been "forced" to go if he had not wanted to deploy (unless, of course, he was on a C Class contract).

G2G
 
Good2Golf said:
A friend of mine is an Air Force, Reservist, Logistics officer serving as a senior member of one of the OMLTs...as others have said, we're already [partially] there.  To be clear, though, he did volunteer, and he could not have been "forced" to go if he had not wanted to deploy (unless, of course, he was on a C Class contract).

G2G

I think her own comments were telling. I don't think she had a problem with deploying at all. I think she had a problem with deploying into an obviously Logistical Support posn (which a banker would be -- and which by her own job description as a "liaison" seems to be) that was an ARMY posn IN Afghanistan. I think if they had placed her into an ARMY banker posn IN the USA, she'd have had zero issues with that.

I think, she was quite comfortable in her role as "Navy" and had a belief that being "Navy" she'd never have to get in and get dirty.

And, I think that because the vast majority of the comments she made pertained to her being Navy, not Army -- she didn't complain about the "job role" that she would undertake, nor did she state that she wasn't trained to be a "banker" -- I rather suspect that she's done that before ... on a ship. She said she was worried about going into an "Army position" as a banker without training (ie in basic soldiering skills). The dealing with men bit is a red herring -- it's happens ALL the time over there given that logistical support staff and roles seems to concentrate women.

This comment from her says it all to me:

It cannibalizes the Navy -- and Air Force -- to cover up a shortage of Army and Marine troops to fight the wars, she argues.

I think, she was quite capable of performing as a "banker", I think she was of the "logisitical type, I think she suddenly developed a "problem with being a purple support logistical type" when her number came up. After all, it's Marines and the Army that fight the wars.

Sadly, we've got a few of those types in the CF too.

And, that's my .02 cents worth. I think --- a 'lil "yellow" beld through that purple that she was quite compentant in dealing with as her annual assessments indicate, until that purple put her in a posn where her hands may have gotten dirty.
 
Wow, people here never cease to amaze me.  She stood her ground, paid the price, and is therefore a POS.  If she would have packed a bag and headed for the high heather, she would have been a POS, who didn't have the courage of her convictions. 
 
Kat Stevens said:
Wow, people here never cease to amaze me.  She stood her ground, paid the price, and is therefore a POS.  If she would have packed a bag and headed for the high heather, she would have been a POS, who didn't have the courage of her convictions. 

Who said she's a POS?  ???

Some have said the Navy is better off without her, and one could argue that's objectively true if the Navy (and the Air Force) are going to be directed to provide greater levels of augmentation to what people would traditionally have called an "army" type job.  That's old thinking...just because joint has more army in it than navy or air force in some cases, doesn't mean it isn't joint...or that it's "army".

She made her choice about her level of comfort with what she was willing to support, and that differed from the Navy so she exercised her option to leave.  This issue is that she flavoured what she wasn't comfortable with by not going the distance of becoming a conscientious objector...remaining someone who thought it wasn't appropriate to contribute the way the military wanted her to.

G2G
 
Well let's see here, a Jewish Asian Female, being sent to deal with Muslim males, over cash money, in their home ball park.  Kind of like being an attack dog handler, and told you have to wear pork chop underwear to work.  Of course there are risks in deploying, but why mitigate her risk factor exponentially?
 
I really don't think race/religion have anything to do with this argument. She was a commissioned officer in the United States Navy, not a Jewish female Asian who happens to be a commissioned officer in the United States Navy.

There's a reason you get a weapon with live ammo overseas.... to prevent prejudiced %$#!%s from screwing with you because you're not like them.
 
Kat Stevens said:
Well let's see here, a Jewish Asian Female, being sent to deal with Muslim males, over cash money, in their home ball park.  Kind of like being an attack dog handler, and told you have to wear pork chop underwear to work.  Of course there are risks in deploying, but why mitigate her risk factor exponentially?

Again, who said she's a POS, as you stated earlier?  ???
 
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