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How in the frig are bosun, navcom and steward even remotely compatible trades?
SeaKingTacco said:How in the frig are bosun, navcom and steward even remotely compatible trades?
jollyjacktar said:I had a C1 give me the lowdown on it a few weeks ago. I think that the decision process involves the legalization of weed and such. To be fair there was a tie in but I'm sorry I cannot recall exactly how the Rube Goldberg machine fit it all together now.
From what I understand of it, the bulk of NAVCOM (the stuff related to IS admin, info mgmt, etc) is going into the new IT tech/operator trade. The bit that's being taken on by the amalgamated "bosun mate" (my term - don't know what they're calling it) trade is the flag hoist/flashing flight/radio voice procedure stuff: all the NCM bridge/upper deck work in one trade, effectively (accepting some skill fade past initial training in those skillsets). The pieces taken from Steward will be the advanced combat first aider and mess husbandry bits; I suspect the Naval NPF admin bit will somehow be passed over to the ship's clerks (though as a purple trade they won't have any specific training in it, so that could prove interesting).SeaKingTacco said:The tie in is that they serve on ships, but don't fix things that break?
That is about the only thing in common that leaps to my mind...
jollyjacktar said:Again, I cannot speak for the Weird Room and all it's denizens, but, the trade amalgamations the new CRCN has in play and in mind is not going to go down well for retention. There are many punching out and planning to punch out from the MSE great smash of 2016. I can just imagine the next great thing the Bosn/Nav Comm/Stwd Frankenstein's monster that is presently on the threat radar will be just as successful. I am starting to wonder if it the RCN motto is going to be changed from "Ready, Aye, Ready" to "We're not happy until you're unhappy"...
Monsoon said:From what I understand of it, the bulk of NAVCOM (the stuff related to IS admin, info mgmt, etc) is going into the new IT tech/operator trade. The bit that's being taken on by the amalgamated "bosun mate" (my term - don't know what they're calling it) trade is the flag hoist/flashing flight/radio voice procedure stuff: all the NCM bridge/upper deck work in one trade, effectively (accepting some skill fade past initial training in those skillsets). The pieces taken from Steward will be the advanced combat first aider and mess husbandry bits; I suspect the Naval NPF admin bit will somehow be passed over to the ship's clerks (though as a purple trade they won't have any specific training in it, so that could prove interesting).
There's nothing like a proposed change to get sailors suddenly satisfied with the status quo...
Lumber said:I'd be happy to do away with the stewards, get my meal from a steam line like everyone else, and not have my breakfast f***ed up one more time...
"I said fried eggs, god damnit! Not scrambled!" :threat:
;D
In all seriousness though (was I not being serious? :), the way they have reduced the watch on deck, you could do away with a few traditional Nav Comm and Bosn billets on board. Add to that getting rid of the Stewards (make the jr. officers clean the ward room), and that would free up some space for this Frankenstein of a trade, especially aboard X ship.
Pusser said:I always find it interesting that people who enjoyed the benefits of a system in the past are so quick to change it after it no longer affects them.
The sad and dangerous part of all of this is that there is an awful lot of folks who don't know or understand what stewards actually do. Yes, they provide service in the Wardroom, but they also manage the entire NPF organization on board the ship and are the on board hospitality experts. These things are pretty important. Like it or not, part of the RCN's mission is to show the flag around the world. This involves diplomatic protocol and it needs to be done right, lest the ship embarrasses the nation. Table service in the Wardroom will likely disappear, but these other tasks will still exist.
By the way, the "Deck Operations Study" is real. It is happening and the occupations being looked at are Boatswain, Steward and the visual signalling part of Naval Communications. No decisions have yet been made.
Pusser said:I always find it interesting that people who enjoyed the benefits of a system in the past are so quick to change it after it no longer affects them.
The sad and dangerous part of all of this is that there is an awful lot of folks who don't know or understand what stewards actually do. Yes, they provide service in the Wardroom, but they also manage the entire NPF organization on board the ship and are the on board hospitality experts. These things are pretty important. Like it or not, part of the RCN's mission is to show the flag around the world. This involves diplomatic protocol and it needs to be done right, lest the ship embarrasses the nation. Table service in the Wardroom will likely disappear, but these other tasks will still exist.
By the way, the "Deck Operations Study" is real. It is happening and the occupations being looked at are Boatswain, Steward and the visual signalling part of Naval Communications. No decisions have yet been made.
The same one that it is onboard ships and at shore units that don't have posted Stewards, I guess? What's the acceptable minimum cut-off for NPF perfection? The army certainly takes a very different approach. :dunno:FSTO said:Could you imagine the shyte show that NPF would be if that was somebodies secondary duty?
That it may be, but what it's supposed to be is a fighting unit with as little inherent supporting function in place as required to get the job done. I'm not a Steward-basher and have always defended that trade from jibes, but there is a legitimate question to be answered about the appropriate location of supporting functions in a 21st C warship.I also think that quite a few of our junior officers forget that an HMC Ship is a mobile floating base that has pretty much all the duties and responsibilities that are encompassed in CFB Halifax and Esquimalt.
People are complaining now. They'll be complaining if/when a change is made. Complainers gonna complain; everyone else will keep on doing what needs to get done.Finally, isn't everyone on board currently complaining that they are already overborne with watches and secondary responsibilities and they want to get rid of more people?? :facepalm:
Lumber said:It's who does it in the reserves, and it is NOT a full time job.
FSTO said:True and I am always on guard in regards to errors (both inadvertent and deliberate) that will cause trouble.
Oldgateboatdriver said:Who else but a LogO would be NPFAO in a Naval Reserve Unit ???
Been in the Navres for 25 years and have never seen anybody else but your run of the mill two nights a week, 2 weeks in the summer, class A LogO type handle N.R.U. NPF.
And as the chain goes NPFAO -> Unit's Log O -> XO -> CO, I've never seen the Reg Force Mars support officer (whatever title they have had over time) have any involvement in NPF.
Well since we lost all our qualified Supply Officers last year, I was handled the mantle.Oldgateboatdriver said:Who else but a LogO would be NPFAO in a Naval Reserve Unit ???
Been in the Navres for 25 years and have never seen anybody else but your run of the mill two nights a week, 2 weeks in the summer, class A LogO type handle N.R.U. NPF.
And as the chain goes NPFAO -> Unit's Log O -> XO -> CO, I've never seen the Reg Force Mars support officer (whatever title they have had over time) have any involvement in NPF.